Matthew Conrad

Something tells me the cancellation with UBD was a little more than lost contact. But then again what would I know, I'm not in either alliance.

I realize, but sometimes leaders will deceive, as is the case, and that is when change is needed. Either way I was commending MK for their choice of punishment, not criticizing it.

If I am to understand this correctly, the spy operations were conducted to the knowledge of the government only and not the generally membership? Good to see someone punish the individuals of an alliance committing the act rather than rolling the entire alliance itself.

Is there an official response from UBD or are they basically admitting their guilt? If this is true, march onwards MK.

I wouldn't even consider those other alliances even at war (except technically) with FAN considering NPO nations are the only ones who actually attack FAN nations.

I think this is more about principle than defending their pixels. You're right, a one week war doesn't really affect them that much, but this is more about the principle of who was wrong in this situation. I'm not calling one side right but you shouldn't just dismiss this as an attempt to get out of war because, as your comrade has stated this is as white peace as you can get.

Were you around then? I'd rather trust the people who experienced both NPO-FAN wars themselves instead of looking at naturally biased source material. Whether the CB was just or not, I don't think you can use what basically amounts to a propaganda reel to make your point. Then again history is written by the victor, but that has yet to be decided. Either way, I think NPO has made a martyr out of FAN. Your tired excuse of using them to "train" your lower nations no longer holds any weight since they have what, 3 nations in anarchy right now? Attacking ghosts provides a better military exercise than stubbornly trying to regain face by attacking an invisible enemy.

Wow did the SWAT war really cause this much damage? I hadn't been on the boards in a week so maybe its entirely unrelated but all these leadership claims seem to have happened about a week after the surrender.

It's easy to take things for granted when you have a near limitless supply of aid and support in comparison with your current enemy.