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[quote name='Lezrahi' timestamp='1282152818' post='2421749']
[i]Lezrahi shook his head, massively disappointed and looking quite dismal.[/i]
So I finally mustered the motivation to read the logged 'evidence' of 'treason' that Caliph linked me to earlier in this thread in its entirety (unwisely, when I initially looked at them, I merely skimmed them for names). Initially, I thought perhaps that d3filed and Millencolin did, indeed, err a bit in judgement and did something along the lines of lying to the Poison Clan that the treaty between they and \m/ had been downgraded.
I do not think so anymore. I stand here both fortunately and woefully corrected.
All that happened between d3filed, Millencolin, and PC, was a friendly [i]recommendation[/i] by the the former two to the latter that they downgrade the treaty, based on the mistake \m/ made in enacting the GGA attacktorate, and on the general fact that some of \m/'s common tear acquisition operations tend to place themselves, and, by extension, PC, in undeservedly dangerous positions. There were no lies, deceit, strong-arming, or otherwise any sort of unsavory language or skewing of the facts in order to force a downgrading. d3filed and Millencolin said what they said out of respect for PC and their steadfast contributions as allies of \m/, and left the ultimate decision solely in PC's hands, as it should have been. There were no stated plans to coup the leadership or otherwise make an illegal changing of the guard; all avenues that were taken, where they had been taken by Goby, d3filed, Millencolin, or myself, were all taken while adhering to the due processes outlined in the charter of \m/.
These claims of treason and subsequent expulsions are, at best, gross stretchings of the truth, and at worst, outright lies, followed by rash action for the purpose of retaining the powers granted to a triu\m/virate.
I am [i]appalled[/i] that my former comrades would first leave Merrie Melodies to the Tigers for a situation for which [i]they, themselves[/i] are culpable, and, not twenty-four hours later, send half of the \m/inistry away for the sake of convenience, and not only that, [i]assaulting[/i] at least two of them with the assistance of [i]mislead[/i] PC nations.
I am disappointed. Not in \m/, no. I maintain my love for the alliance itself. I am disappointed and dismayed at the govern\m/ent, and I see that we were correct in attempting to undergo the process of impeachment for Emperor Marx.
I am angered...but still I shall do my best to hold no grudges. \m/ is a great alliance. It is hated by many, but while its culture is difficult to access for some, it is rich in fulfillment, and, in an ironic way, tolerance. I hope for a day when its management changes, so that the alliance as a whole can find itself again.
Thank you, \m/, for having me. I wish that my membership had not ended on this note, but it has, nonetheless, been an honour. I will continue to watch closely.
[i]Lezrahi bowed, turned away, and began to embark on his journey to find a new mountain to perch upon.[/i]
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I take issue with some things you point out, but I digress. You seem genuinely like you were a staunchly loyal \m/ member. The brash move by the trium to take out people such as you definitely hurts the future viability of \m/. -
[quote name='Swanfield' timestamp='1282061590' post='2419730']
I wouldn't bank on that.
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Man up and show STA who's boss
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[quote name='Swanfield' timestamp='1282060303' post='2419689']
Dark shadows are encircling around the mighty castle of Mushroom Kingdom as in the 11th hour their fate is ultimately revealed closer than they thought.
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Go attack them. Make my day, pleaseee -
\m/, show STA your balls and keep your green safari going.
I really don't want to wait too long for SF and CnG to fracture. -
[quote name='Lennox' timestamp='1281963880' post='2417850']
Coming from an ODN member, your credibility is near zero when it comes to talking about honoring treaties. I suppose your treaty with GATO is a paradox.
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Heh, you should address the issue rather than make a quip about his AA.
I think what he's asking for is a Pastebin link of the logs in its entirety. -
Botching up communications with TFD and the ensuing aftermath during Karma. Objecting (but to no avail) to NADC peacing out after a laughable 3 days of war (partially caused by the miscommunication thing with TFD), and subsequently watching Echelon get pulled apart bit by bit.
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Bummer, good luck to Legion
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[quote name='Bob Janova' timestamp='1281454021' post='2409691']
Wait, what? Throwing the first punch [i]is[/i] starting it.[/quote]
No, spying [i]is[/i] starting it.
If someone threw the punch without provocation, [u]then[/u] he'd be starting it.
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Yes, of course. A justified war of aggression, but an aggressive war nonetheless. What's your point?[/quote]
You're looking at it the wrong way, it's a defensive war. -
[quote name='Delta1212' timestamp='1281450010' post='2409619']
Unfortunately, this doesn't really help build an accurate picture of reality since you are more likely to believe distortions or perspectives that agree with you and less likely to believe your opponents even when they are telling the truth.
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Basically sums up what I think. Especially on those gray area topics where the facts aren't completely clear and whether you believe one side or the other is strongly swayed by which side you reside on. I'm often guilty of that, as with 90% of the people on the forums.
It always irks me when people muck around in their obvious bias, but that comes with the territory when complete amateurs try to fit on the shoes of real world professionals (actual diplomats) who train for this stuff for decades. -
[quote name='Bob Janova' timestamp='1281441928' post='2409526']
Once again you're conflating two things, spying and attacking. Spying on someone is not a 'sucker punch to the face', that's more analogous to an attack before a nation militarises, and that would start a war.
You can't claim 'self-defence' against spying because [b][i]the spy attack has already happened, you aren't defending yourself from anything[/i]. [/b]It may be [i]justification[/i] to start a war – just like aiding an enemy – but if you choose to start a war over it, you are still the aggressor. The only thing in CN that you can legitimately claim self-defence over is a war declaration.
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lolwut, seriously? Spying that targets their military preparedness is an obvious prelude to actual fighting. Don't play the stupid semantics game, you're better than that Bob.
A true war of aggression is a military campaign undertaken without the justification of self-defense. It's not some arbitrary definition, it makes logical sense that if someone is obviously preparing to attack you, throwing the first quick blow does not make you the guy who started it all (aggressor). -
[quote name='Tygaland' timestamp='1281356047' post='2407330']
Are you really trying to tell us you had no idea of the consequences of your raid on the Knights of Ni!? Please. There is little difference between what NSO did and what you did albeit NSO's was on a smaller scale and they didn't have the muscle behind them to get out of it. When told you were being stupid, did you stop or continue on? You continued on of course telling everyone it was none of their business, Yet, your allies stood by you and now you come here defending an alliance who bailed on an ally even when they were told they would not be dragged into the conflict.
Seriously, your posts here have the be the largest deposits of guano I have seen for some time.
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Ahaha, marvelous burn. -
[quote name='Kalasin' timestamp='1281317080' post='2405764']
ooc: I roleplay a semi-moralist character and I honestly don't see anything wrong with this Declaration of War.
SF and C&G are united by common interests and a common enemy, not morals or anything else. I don't see that changing as a result of this war. Plus, this war came about as a result of bad foreign affairs ability on NSO's part. They should've realised that messing about with RoK would get them rolled. What they did *was* an act of war, and a decent CB.
Really, this wasn't the best time to get into a war. Everyone is rebuilding. If SuperGrievances wanted to roll ex-Hegemony, they would've waited until a later date.
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Right, acts like this would have a lesser impact if SF and CnG were united against a common enemy, [b]but [/b]it's generally accepted that the ex-hegemony is no longer a faction, rather it's been split up and falling under the respective influences of SF and CnG. In other words you don't have any viable common enemies to deal with anymore and it's not going to shield the distaste you will build for one another.
This wasn't a "wrong" CB per-se, but rather one where it's obvious people were blood thirsty and showed no restraint. SF wasn't a faction that was bullied by the then hegemony at every turn, CnG was, so don't be surprised if they are more empathetic. -
[quote name='Kalasin' timestamp='1281316168' post='2405709']
How does it do that?
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I don't think anyone denies that RoK put in about 10% into diplomacy, obviously Hoo was just itching for a fight. Some alliances in CnG actually have a moral spine and believes that with power comes with responsibility and that you shouldn't use it unless you absolutely have to. That's obviously going to affect how some diplomacy will play out in the future (more disliking, distrust, all that good stuff) -
If NSO had gotten screenshots of the alleged spying, I would say NSO was completely in the right here (though I doubt that was the case). But unfortunately Heft forgot they can't operate with the same smugness that they did when they were in Frostbite and barked up the wrong tree. I mean it's RoK for Christ sakes, you know the alliance that started the blueballs thing?
Had RoK been decent at trying to play the PR game, they woulda at least tried with diplomacy, but it's cool. At least it speeds up the CnG-SF split. -
MHA, my hats off to you, really.
You didn't go with the semantics bullcrap route that everyone would have seen through, you laid it out front saying you're breaking a technically unbreakable treaty. Kudos for your honesty and kudos for staying with them until the war was over. Given the context of when this treaty was signed, I wouldn't blame any of you for riding the high believing the relationship would last forever. Gramlins were just one of greatest alliances back then, filled to the brim with talent who were mature enough not to participate in forum dickery and used their power responsibly and cordially. I'm sure you've been trying very hard to change Gramlins for the better these past months, and to hell to anyone who says you dropped them when they needed you the most. If Ram is still in power after all this time it's obviously an untenable task to undertake as rulers like him rule because the average member accepts him; not because of brainwashing or any of that non-sense.
And ignore these whorum regulars, laugh at the fact that they've been bidding their time until you've done something that has displeased them to start throwing quips they've been saving up for years on end.
Again, you guys have earned my respect. -
[s]Bahahaha, I would be very surprised if this manages to last more than 6 months. Nothing against the signatories because my allies at RDD are in it, but I don't see these pairings panning out.
And does TOP still have to pay reps?
[/s]Nevermind, I got played by aboooe >_> -
[quote name='chefjoe' date='17 July 2010 - 01:57 PM' timestamp='1279371420' post='2375732']
Did I pee in your wheaties at some point? lol [/quote]
You pissed all over Legion, other haters are gonna hate, you guys, it's just plain disappointing.
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Posts were made by lots more then just I backing up that point, but hey you want to believe in rainbows and unicorns as your 'theory', by all means go right ahead. I sure wont stop you from looking like an idiot here on the OWF.
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Rofl, all you (and your backers) have done is come in here with 0 evidence with talking points that pander to legion haters, maybe you should keep an eye more on your other "loyal" allies instead of believing in your rainbows and unicorns. Have fun playing in your own room with your helmet on.
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I ENJOY it...
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I'm sure you do.
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Arbiter came to Val, said they wanted to cancel because they don't see a relationship.
We were already considering the cancellation as Joe says, and didn't care, so w/e.
Arbiter goes to BAPS and uses the same line, but slips in the convo and reveals that Legion is being required to cancel by their new benefactor.
BAPS is of course talking to Val this entire time.
Val preempts the cancellation with our own as we both waive the 48 hour cool down clause.
Wow, such a convoluted conspiracy, how ever do we keep track of all the players. Do you need flash cards?[/quote]
Do you need flash cards on how to bring evidence? Where are these incriminating logs? -
[quote name='chefjoe' date='17 July 2010 - 03:12 AM' timestamp='1279332760' post='2375363']
Theory what? lol
Did you read this entire thread?
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You mean all of your posts trying to spin some off butthurt into some kind of factoid?
Yeah unfortunately I wasted my time reading them. Get over yourself, the treaty was time to go, the fact you would make up !@#$ like this proves it further. -
[quote name='chefjoe' date='16 July 2010 - 09:46 PM' timestamp='1279313145' post='2374967']
Yes and no.
Legion came to us with wishy washy reasoning. We didnt believe them for one second. We were right as we find out Legion was being vague because some new treaty partner they want doesnt like Val or BAPS and legion being legion think they will gain from that new pairing(maybe they will but I find it hard to believe as I dont see them getting much respect from the 'other side').
So as soon as we heard that we instantly canceled and waived the waiting period because we dont condone lying and like I said previously I have wanted to kill this treaty for quite awhile but my .gov preached patience. So all is good in the end.
BTW legion went to Val AND BAPS beause of this upcoming treaty partner.....so im curious as to whom legion thinks is more effective in protection the a BAPS/Val combo. Should be interesting, we shall see.
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lawl what, saying Archon is a NPO spy is a more plausible conspiracy theory than that. But hey, whatever makes you popular with the crowd that believes in every piece of drivel that lands in their lap, right? -
[quote name='Lord Fingolfin' date='12 July 2010 - 12:25 AM' timestamp='1278890714' post='2367370']
No Freddie Mercury? I fail to recognize this clearly illegitimate government
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Clearly an illegal powergrab
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[quote name='JimKongIl' date='23 June 2010 - 01:09 AM' timestamp='1277251772' post='2347064']
So is this now the longest thread in CN history? I'm almost embarrassed to admit I have read all of it.
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tl;dr please?
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It sucks it had to come this point, well, sometimes things just don't work out. I loved you guys, but you guys will still be around so it won't be a complete loss. -
[quote name='Penlugue Solaris' date='05 May 2010 - 07:48 PM' timestamp='1273085314' post='2287830']
..and there goes my respect for RDD.
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What a terrible loss.
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[quote name='Bob Janova' timestamp='1282305846' post='2424390']
Directly recruiting from an alliance is just as concrete an attempt to harm them materially as attacking them and destroying their infra and land with wars. If you succeed, you're taking away numbers, stats, activity and a part of the community. Actively attempting to harm my alliance seems like a pretty good CB to me.
Everyone makes mistakes and the occasional message to an aligned nation is inevitable if you recruit a lot, and hopefully everyone can see that and not use the CB in such a case. But a deliberate and widespread attempt to recruit from an alliance – [b]see the NADC war[/b] or NSO's attempt to recruit from the neutrals – is a direct attack and it's perfectly reasonable to respond to it as such.
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Wait. what?