Erwin Schrodinger
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Oh. Look. Another thread Tywin has decided to derail and make about himself.
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5 hours ago, HeroofTime55 said:
To be clear: CN not dying is predicated on one person doing something to save it, and that one person is admin himself. Absent that, there is nothing anyone else can do to save this game. And we cannot give admin the motivation he clearly lacks. Therefore, the game will die.
That's pretty close to my opinion. People have been trying to get Admin to do literally anything with this game for years. People have even made purchase offers so they can make changes themselves. He's clearly not interested, so we really shouldn't get too invested in the idea that CN will somehow suddenly become rejuvenated and full of life. Might as well enjoy what little remains of it for what it is.
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4 hours ago, Williambonney said:
I am not a marooner nor am I a representative, but I have to ask Erwin, if they accept your terms would your coalition be compensating any marooners for deleting their wonders?
The precedent set by Polar v NADC would hint at 'no'. Mostly because lolno, but also because 50mil should be no more than a drop in the bucket for anyone who has a PL wonder.
4 hours ago, Mogar said:If you actually wished to play the bad guys and not simply play destructively, you'd do something like Bipolar, not curbstomp the same alliances every six months for the past 4 years.
We're talking about you and me here. In this scenario, we're the bad guys by virtue of the fact that what we are doing isn't very nice, and it is, in fact, destructive. In your proposed scenario of betrayal and deceit, we'd be the bad guys to our friends, but in your eyes, we'd be doing the "right thing" and be the "good guys". Makes for an interesting sort of contradiction in your post.
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3 minutes ago, Mogar said:
I don't think that 11 years of maintaining the same sphere is worth giving up because some pricks decide they want to try to force us off personally, I can't imagine your alliance would respond any differently were the roles reversed.(not that they would be of course, since none of our alliances believe in forcing people off spheres or punitive actions against our opponents.)
Ah, went back a square. I never intended to imply that you or yours would find amending your charter and leaving the sphere as a fair or good option. I only want to implore that you do, in fact, have options and choices, and that TMD has made clear those choices which lead to peace. No one is forcing continuation of this war upon you, no one is demanding members to delete or leave any alliance. You are choosing to remain at war and risk member deletion because the alternative choices, to you, are worse than that; that choice is of your own volition.
To hurry along this discussion and prevent us going in circles: the appropriate conclusion is to reassert NG and friends are being pricks (I prefer the phrase, "playing the bad guys"), and accept you are making choices here that make a stand for your values but do prolong the war. With that resolution, no argument can be made against you.
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9 minutes ago, Mogar said:
I think you misunderstand, our charter states we are a maroon alliance and by simply following the document that governs our alliance we are unable to comply with leaving the sphere.
Oh, no worries, Article VI of your charter allows for provisions to amend the constritution to "suit the present needs of the alliance". There is even a detailed process already on how to do just that.
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1 hour ago, Mogar said:
Well we're getting some mixed signals out of those that represent your alliance publicly as to the length of this war that we didn't want in the first place, not to mention keeping any alliance at war for more than 2-3 months is incredibly harmful to player retention for those on the losing end, you know all of this of course, but at least you're attempting to feign ignorance as to what you are doing rather than openly admit the intended goal as Caustic has.
Caustic has the odd habit of having his own opinions and goals. Pesky membership and people being individuals just spouting off whatever they think....
I think we've previously made our intentions clear in the TMD announcement and subsequent DoW. Caustic was kind enough to summarize your options a few posts above. You, too, made your intentions clear both in prior posts and in this very announcement: you don't want to leave. Taking a stand against the evils of the world is respectable. However, by making that stand, you are saying you want the war more than you want to move. Or in other words, that you choose to continue this war.
If you're so concerned about retaining inactive players, then forfeit your stand. Surrender. Move spheres (or, less desirably, disband).
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Just now, eejack said:
Actually I understand it pretty well. Shame it didn't work out as planned, though I guess some folks would call it a partial success.
The fact others might have alternative purposes for this war skipped my mind for a moment. I should have clarified I meant specifically NG. The ultimate purpose of this war for us is entertainment. In fact, I think we're all here for some form of entertainment. Some people enjoy just logging in and collecting taxes. Others just want to hang out with friends, and this world is what connects them/us. NG is not content with that sedentary lifestyle. We want something more. We want things to happen. Just so happens most would rather sit and watch the world fade away, so we take it upon ourselves to go out and make something happen.
Some will claim we are hurting the environment and destroying communities (response to Mogar here), but I'd say this conflict has bonded people together more than they were a couple months ago, and drastically increased player activity on both sides of the conflict. The price for this: pixel destruction. I fail to see how we're hurting anyone.
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Just now, Immortan Junka said:
Nothing stops you from deleting if you hate it that much. Please don't curse the rest of us with your apathy.
Saying we are bored, then having the drive to get up and do something about it isn't apathy. I'd argue most of our opponents are far more apathetic than myself or most of Oc.
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3 hours ago, eejack said:
Can you actually accomplish this before the game ends?
Being top of the mountain is fine and all but at some point the mountain becomes a hill, then a heap, they something akin to a mound.
And even if you do all of this wonderment, at what point will you decide you all no longer want to share ( seems like a bunch of folks who willingly broke one treaty would have no problem just abandoning others ).
Seems to me...it is time to listen to the James Gang
Let's hope we can't accomplish this in that time frame, and the game gets turned off in the near future.
Treaties are canceled regularly. If they weren't, everyone would be treatied to everyone else.Then nothing would happen at all. We canceled the treaty you are referring to according the to the relevant article of said treaty. (Actually, I think we gave an extra day or two before attacking, even.)
Are you certain you understand the purpose of this war?
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5 minutes ago, KIADO said:
That's all? I was hoping for some real dirty wash very disappointing I guess then we have not been betrayed after all , d@m*
Caustic likes to tease, but what he and the others mean is that if something is truly going on, we shouldn't be the ones to tell the effected parties. It'd be irresponsible and disrespectful to both parties concerned. Although some find the need to alert the membership, the conversation and sharing of details should ultimately occur privately between the gov and membership, not publicly aired out on the OWF.
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8 minutes ago, Gh0s7 said:
Does winter wolves have a protector? I'm kinda hoping you dont, to be honest.
I don't think it matters since those nations are still considered at war with Polar and friends.
Although I would be impressed if they found someone willing to protect someone who just publicly announced how treaties mean nothing to them.
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Ah, my bad. I think the confusion lies in that we all thought AW held a mandatory defense treaty with Sparta, obligating them to defend Sparta even when times seemed dire and hopeless. After all, if you were allies of theirs, that's what being allies (and hopefully, friends) is all about. But if that isn't the case, then yes, I suppose your leaders throwing you at a war you didn't ask for does seem quite irresponsible of them.
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Perhaps you should have introduced yourself first. I'm not a Sparta fan, either, but c'mon, don't make it hard for us to want to support you.
tl'dr: who are you and what are you on about?
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Did you just assume NPO's gender?
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1 hour ago, Chopin said:
It's ok, I only learned about you guys last month
How long have you been asleep? Look, I'm not saying NG is at all important or worth your time, but for some reason we've been the focus of a variety of complaints since our founding some years ago.
Either way, I'm glad you enjoyed the war and opportunity to throw your pixels to the wind and cause some damage. The feelings are mutual in that respect. Best regards.
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15 hours ago, Regent Pancras said:
It must be very upsetting for you that despite apparently being curb stomped time and time again that we are still here, unlike other alliances who have been more transient.
The fact any alliance exists is very upsetting to us all.
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Hey look who all is waking up! War really does bring the whole family together. This is making me all warm and fuzzy inside.
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18 minutes ago, MrGed said:
Ugh we have to fight you guys again? How boring. I was looking forward to a war with some real meat in it. :/
You could always declare war on someone else so you can have the best of both worlds. Could be fun.
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3 hours ago, Franz Ferdinand said:
I was certain this declaration had already been done? [...]
To be honest, so did we. We wanted to make sure that, should a RIA nation find an NG target and get a spell of moralistic guilt over whether or not to hit said nation, they could rest assured hitting us is e-legal per a formal DoW. Then we realized we never posted said DoW, and quite possibly denied RIA peeps from hitting us. And that just brought us to tears over our cruel neglect, so we posted this DoW posthaste. So much haste, in fact, you'll notice there wasn't even time to sign it.
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3 hours ago, Morphine said:
Lucius,
I dont know why your getting on OoT about the terms. If I remember correctly back when I was in Kashmir and we were rolled by NG and Co. we accepted terms very similar to these. Its the way the terms are nowadays since everybody is treatied to somebody in one way or another so you have some fun and move on.
For those curious: here are the terms (owf link). We didn't have anyone muzzled (although if Kash/LC/etc had someone as annoying as Roal, iono, might've happened), but we did enforce people saying things where the veracity could reasonably be debated (read: Caustic having a quantifiable wit or intelligence).
What I find more interesting about these terms is the lifetime ban of Roal from alliances not covered by the terms. For example, TTK hasn't signed these terms, so they can't reasonably be held by them to enforce their future protectorates from accepting Roal. Future protectorates that don't yet exist obviously aren't here and could reasonably not know of them, pending their membership composition. The best the victors have is declaring Roal an enemy of their respective states, which would also bypass the fact that, as an independent contractor post-OoT dismissal, his signature isn't here either. Or maybe I'm just elawyering too much and I'm a hypocrite for having broken and vocally supporting the breaking of various elaws, myself. Actually, no maybe about it. This is the single most hypocritical paragraph I have typed upon these boards to my immediate memory. In fact, having reread it, I still support SLAP et al. attacking future TTK/protectorates/etc based on these terms alone, or any war regardless of these terms.
Got to say I like terms 4 (slam poetry) and 5 (conversion to the righteous Islam). We need more of those.
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2 hours ago, Mogar said:
I mean, half of the people in the bloc you're in would roll you if given the chance, just as your alliance likely would do the same to at least two others in Oculus.
Oh this sounds like a Karma situation. Given the similarity, and your apparent extensive knowledge on the subject, I assume you'll no longer preach about there being nothing that can be done to topple Oc, and instead you'll start working behind the scenes to help such a situation come to fruition. It would mean splitting Oc and hopefully arranging it to fight itself (possibly using such rampant hatred of NG as a focal point?), while also arranging non-oc parties to come in and make sure the deed is done.
Oh look, you have me rambling on about my dreams. I'm terribly sorry.
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54 minutes ago, Kapleo said:
Cause guess what?... there's a lot of people out there silently sharpening their knifes, hoping for a little spark that triggers a big ass war that changes how the game is being played. This "status quo" won't last forever. All it takes is boredom and a !@#$load of money.
Please let this be true.
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On 3/4/2017 at 10:27 PM, eviljak said:
ojwardsc
The only correct answer.
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On 3/4/2017 at 6:01 PM, Noctis Lucis Caelum said:
[to junka] What is your grand ideology?
Please. Please don't provoke him.
On 3/4/2017 at 7:02 PM, Immortan Junka said:I've written reams of essays and speeches on the subject.
The guy ain't joking around. He's done it, and he'll do it again.
Why did no one give me a name for this?
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