Thom98
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Let's not pin the actions of PC, just or unjust, on Karma as a whole.
No I am pinning the lack of action on karma as a whole, they boast of standing against oppression yet now that 3 alliances that fly their flag are in the midst of it, it goes on without any other member of karma without taking any action to stop it.
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The decent thing to do is for TPF to drop all their protectorates since they are just giving the protectorate a false sense of security given TPFs complete inability to enforce said treaty.
Decent? Would be someone from karma to intervene on the behalf of a neutral alliance doing it's best to stay out of the conflict. Then again that would take someone to stand for doing what's right against someone who is doing something wrong.
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When does a raid become a war? There are now 3 alliances involved on this attack, it seems to be much more than an alliance tech raid, 24 current battles seems a bit large for tech raid.
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Now with all of this talk of it's just pc doing a alliance "tech raid" now dark templar has joined in on the tech raid, I guess it's just a tech raid and not a war if you don't DoW them?
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Actually all I am doing is asking questions, pointing out how things look from the outside. I have no ties to either the pc or California it just seems that there are two different sets of standards. I am simply asking why that is, it is compounded by the fact that pc, up until this incident, was being praised for the role they have and had in karma.
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i lol'd
The biggest mistake hegemony have when trying to attack Karma (in my own words)...
Karma's sole purpose is to seek out revenge for all alliances (many of which are in Karma) who have been dealt with the cold and hard hand of NPO, have been back stabbed, victims of 'spying', 'conspiring', and other acts which are clearly forged at the hand of NPO and her allies. Karma certainly does not guarantee protection (also, to my knowledge Karma does not protect the Karma PoW Affiliation, but does not seek aggression against those who are in it). Karma does not have an official code or charter, and the alliances who are a part of Karma are not bound to any specific code or charter dictating Karma's goals or actions. Karma is not a bloc. Karma is not an alliance. Karma is not an entity. Karma is a coalition of those who seek revenge against tyranny NPO, who have been back stabbed, framed, and destroyed by the alliance and more specifically the government of what is the New Pacific Order.
Oh ok I get it now karma is just the mirror image of the NPO. Enough said.
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People are fighting for friends and treaties, not as the world police. Yes, there is a reasonable volume of mostly shared belief and a desire to effect change, and a lot of people picked their side because they were sick of certain things, but we never said we'd militarily enforce some rigid code; there isn't that much uniformity even if we wanted to do that.
We certainly never said anything as a group about tech raiding. I don't know why you would project that on us and then indignantly demand that we back it up.
I simply quoted (cut and pasted) what was written by karma about karma and asked why now they do not hold true to their words that they wrote.
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as quoted from Karma Viewpoint "as karma is the philosophy that right and wrong actions will be rewarded or punished with positive or negative actions taken against the committer of these actions in the future" (typo's included)
I ask the nations of karma to put up or shut up, or is the karma philosophy merely convenient words to suit the cause of the moment or are you true to your words?
This has been my question all along. If karma is true to their beliefs then they can not just sit by and watch one of "their" nations slander that which they claim to hold so dear.
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I think raiding alliances is bad. That's really all I have to say about that.
but acceptable when it is done by karma
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I ask the "powers at be" with karma,
Is this not exactly the type of actions that you used to justify your war? Yet now that one of your allied nations are doing, that which you so many times have stated you were fighting against (protecting the little guy from the big bully) karma your inaction speaks for you, your tolerance for that which you so many times said you fought against. All of this is acceptable because pc is a alliance that fought for you? Why is it acceptable now, when it was not before? Is it that you really do not have the values you claim?
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Ok
*Has a Vox founder in gov*
Well my friend I should dare to guess that "karma" is heading your way.
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Well with all of these high fives for vox I now say to you all. Take in those members you praise so highly here, put them into your govt. (for as you all so clearly state here, they are men of honor) let them help guide your alliances in the direction that best suits their needs.
For those of you who think they are done, welcome them into your home, feed them, share with them all the information that fuels them.
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Congrats to Fallen knights on a fine choice in Invicta, I know without a doubt they will be by your side just as they know I will be by their side if and when that time comes. I have seen few alliances with more honor than Invicta.
Welcome to purple.
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He hasn't shown any of those qualities while in Vox Populi, and I question your judgment of his character.
http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?s...=45638&st=0
This is just a small part of it, if you would like more I have it. vox took robby in while he hid from paying his dues, all the while leaving the rest of the alliance to fend for ourselves. Yes that is the boy you took into your alliance and is how your alliance is seen by me and those who were a part of that.
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Well I never got to know vox well, however, I do know of one of the traitors that they took into their ranks. hegemon robby, He sold out his own alliance in the attempt to avoid the consequences of his actions. He left his alliance in total chaos without attempting to hold true to his word, instead he used that alliance to buy him enough time to find a home in vox. I can speak of this for I was the one who was left to the wolves, however, instead of being eating alive. We not only survived but most every member of that alliance is far stronger now than they ever would of gotten under his rule.
What does this have to do with vox, it makes me wonder what honor men have that take in one who has sold out his last alliance.
I would use caution when dealing with anyone who's standards were so low as to admit the likes of robby. aka hegemon rob
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Welcome to purple, grab a seat and stay a while.
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As I've said in a few other of these it seems that the cards are still being shuffled it is going to be interesting to see how the hands are dealt.
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with this finely worded document should become the standard throughout planet bob.
well done.
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more cards in the deck seem to be shuffled
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They're allied to Valhalla so why do you expect them to be smart or make sense?
Nice thing with purple is that you know who most of your friends are, before, during and after a war. Not quite sure the same will be able to said for all once all this has come to a end. In fact the end is starting to look more and more like just the end of a chapter and a new far more exciting chapter will follow it.
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Considering what is at stake when treaties are signed, and how many seem to take the "opt out" option or even worse "opt for your opponent" section of that clause. If I am to sign into a treaty it damn well better be with someone I trust to have my back as I have theirs.
I can say this for I resigned my govt. position to keep my word and fight by my allies. Instead of hiding behind the closed door of the "optional". yada yada yada. I can go on and on but my point is made.
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Allow me to be the first to offer my condolences to you now, after all over 50% of all marriages end in divorce. When that happens only the damn lawyers win
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Best of luck to you all, Luda just keep it real.(will explain that comment when you contact me)
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umMMMMM
oK ummmm best of luck?
what does one say to something like this?
Question to Poison Clan
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Posted · Edited by Thom98
edit: the post below were quoted from pc's open fourm rules on tech raids
please note the dates
Sep 28 2008, 04:57 PM
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Alliances of 15 members and under, if they have no protectorate agreements or outside treaties, are acceptable to be raided. Alliances over 15 members who have no protectorate agreements or outside treaties may only be raided after permission has been given by The Lizard (the leader) or The Toad (second in command) of the Poison Clan. If the leader and second in command are not available, authorization may be given jointly by The Snake (defensive war director) AND one other government member.
For raids done just before server update time, you may employ the quad attack during your raid and must then offer peace to your target. All raids done at least two (2) hours before server update time, you must offer peace after your initial two (2) ground attacks.
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post Apr 12 2009, 09:59 PM
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Only nations whose AA is set as "None" are to be considered raid targets.
Well I did as was suggested to me and went to your forums and it seems that you are following outdated "rules" set forth in your own forums. Thank you for having all of this in open forums.