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    TRUE Wolves Don't Lie, Spy, or Lie About Spying

    in Open World Forum

    Posted · Edited by Meterman

    Apart from the alliance loyalties, in which no one wants to admit that their side was wrong and people tend to rally around those who deny wrongdoing, I have serious concerns about this evidence against the Wolfpack.

    I would suggest then that you speak to your government for the evidence it is something that they have had but like yourself are still in denial and seem to not be sharing with the members.

    Desert Fox and YourLurkingShadow are RL friends. This is to me casts serious doubt on the reliability of anything that Lurking says, particularly given the light in which Fox portrays his conversations with Lurking. Why would Lurking have these conversations in easily documented IRC conversations when he could just as easily pick up the phone and leave no trace to be followed or evidence to be gathered? It also makes me wonder why would one RL friend stay behind in an alliance another acrimoniously left?

    This is quite common within CN. Another reason is this little thing called In-Character (IC) & Out-Of-Character (OOC). Fox can confirm this but I think their relationship in RL is not as close as some may think.

    Given these conflicts of interest, it is hard for me to take Lurking's admissions seriously or Fox's declarations at face value. If this spy network was widespread, i.e. more than just one person, how would we have been caught so defenseless? 123 of 213 nations were anarchied on the first day alone. Preparations by those who attacked us had been going on for some time. If this spying was more the effort of one person who was quitting, wouldn't we have had more warning?

    Firstly, for some reason Wolfpack members are under the impression that Lurking was leaving and therefore going out with a bang. What you all do not seem to grasp is that these logs are from a month ago when Lurking was a proud and happy General of the Wolfpack Academy. This did not just happen the other day.

    Secondly, how would you have had more warning? By Spying? Maybe, just maybe you are going up against some VERY seasoned CN players in IRON and our allies that know how to put a surprise attack on an enemy. I know some people had a notion that something was going to happen. Sounds like they did not tell anyone.

    Lurking, obviously to me, "quit" the game ahead of this disaster as he knew it was coming. If he was the honest, committed Wolfpack spy that he claims to be, wouldn't he have warned those who could have warned the pack? Someone who was so adept at making multi's wouldn't find it so hard to make one and hide amongst the new recruits to his old friend's alliance.

    As I said before this evidence was collected WAY before Lurking was quitting.

    Why would we place spies in the alliances of our most valued allies, the most powerful forces in the game, knowing their discovery would lead to our assured pounding if not complete demise?

    You will have to ask the perpetrators that question. We do not know why we just know they did.

    I don't know that Wolfprince, et. al. are blameless. Lurking's compromised nature to me leaves doubt on the motivation behind any of the actions Wolfprince has taken. What do we know about what and how Lurking disclosed any information to Wolfprince?

    This is the most sense any of you have made.

    Assuming for the moment Wolfprince did receive inside information, do we know what Wolfprince thought was the source? To take a cue from a much older scandal, what did Wolfprince know and when did he know it? Was it serious spying or did Lurking portray his source as being something told to him in confidence rather than collected illegally?

    Again check with your government for the evidence as I think you maybe on to something.

    If Lurking was trying to harm the Wolfpack, what would he have had to do differently? It seems to me even if he was trying he wouldn't have had to change much.

    He wasn't trying to harm Wolfpack he was just doing his job.

    I have several meetings planned in IRC tonight in order to look at this evidence and have this case presented to me by those whom I don't have any reason to doubt in order to get answers to these questions. As I am allowed to disseminate either the evidence, my findings, or both, I will, everywhere it is productive to do so.

    I like this plan, that is what I would do if I was in the same situation.

    Good luck.

    EDIT: Added post and name info into quotes

  3. Alliance War Resignations/Surrenders

    in World Affairs (IC)

    Posted

    I am posting for an IRON POW as he has no account on CN:

    To: Meterman From: AWhitman 3/10/2008 7:31:08 PM Subject: RE: Re: Surrender

    I have complied with the terms.

    If you can't post on the CN forums, inform your attackers and they will do it for you.

    Please, I have no account and don't post there nor want to.

    I surrender

    His Nation Link: http://cybernations.net/nation_drill_displ...Nation_ID=55268

    Here is his lamp submission:

    Lamp.jpg

    Here is his Cow submission:

    angus.jpg

    wolfpack speaks

    in Alliance Politics

    Posted

    let me rephrase what I meant : Lurking and RoT knew what was going on for a while now. Wolfpack did not know because there was no conversation of this to us. So unless we had a crystal ball that can see things like this, then we aren't going to know.

    And if you want to talk about honour, the honourable thing would have been to report lurking to wolfprince saying that he made those comments. That is honour.

    What allegiance did RoT have to Wolfpack? As I spoke of previously, RoT is IRON's friends and protectorate. In other words, why would they come to Wolfpack leadership? What maybe a more pertinent question to ask is why didn't they go to Wolfpack leadership?

    wolfpack speaks

    in Alliance Politics

    Posted · Edited by Meterman

    you're correct, RoT also knew what was going on.

    I know it is useless to spend the time trying to convince you as you are in the thralls of denial, I will anyway.

    Of course RoT knew, they were the ones who brought it to IRON's attention. Last I checked they are not currently members of Wolfpack they are IRON's protectorate. They did the right thing, as opposed to Wolfpack, in that they reported it to the people who could do something about it. This was the honorable and right thing to do.

    I know it is hard to understand but the 'other' people I spoke of were and are members of Wolfpack.

    Denial is hard to overcome I know, but the sooner you do the better for Wolfpack.

    EDIT: For Punctuation

    wolfpack speaks

    in Alliance Politics

    Posted

    Just to clarify here, what I am concurring to is the evidence against Lurking and how it makes the Wolfpack look bad even though the pack and our leaders did not sanction, support, or authorize any form of spy network. I also concurred about the statement of not being actively involed in alliance polictics has allowed this to transpire and many of us now are paying the price for at least one individuals asshatery.

    With that said, I will be posting hard evidence this evening that shows our innocence.

    I can with absolute confidence assure you that it was not just Lurking involved in what was going on. So give up on this idea of skating by as if Lurking was some pseudo-member that does not count.

    Get beyond the denial stage of your shock syndrome.

    Important FEAR Announcement

    in Alliance Politics

    Posted · Edited by Meterman

    Congratulations on the elections!

    Considering the under investigation status of possible issues between FEAR & Wolfpack it is understandable and logical for FEAR to take their time in making sure they do the right thing for FEAR. We appreciate your cooperation Lord Boris and we are more than happy to be working with you & FEAR.

    EDIT: For Grammar

    wolfpack speaks

    in Alliance Politics

    Posted

    Planet Bob is made up of nations, those nations seek protection as they would otherwise be a tasty meal for Tech Raiders. The solution? Alliances. I am amazed at the ignorance of how the mutually beneficial relationship between nations and alliances work. When you join an alliance you offer your loyalty and sacrifice for the greater whole of that alliance, in exchange for protection, comradery, and sometimes aid. It is a two way street though and you cannot make it a one way street when it is convenient for you. That is disloyalty and selfishness at its finest.

    So to summarize:

    1. When you make comments in a discussion that does not coincide with the policies of your alliance you are being disloyal and selfish. Even if you include a disclaimer saying that what you speak is your view and not the view of your alliance, it is perceived that you do speak for the alliance because you are a member of the alliance. That is disloyalty and selfishness at its finest.

    2. When one of your members who holds a position in your alliance's government colludes with your leader in spying on other alliances, that becomes an action of the alliance as a whole. Using the excuse that the perpetrator should be punished separately from the alliance he or she represents is also disloyalty and selfishness at its finest.

    To Wolfpack:

    What is denial? It ain't a River in Africa.

    -Being unwilling to face problems on either a conscious or subconscious level.

    -Acting as if there are no problems to face.

    -A defensive response; protection from pain, hurt, or suffering.

    -A mask to hide feelings or emotions behind.

    -A way to avoid conflict, disagreements, or disapproval from others.

    -A way to avoid facing the negative consequences of reality.

    -A way of retaining sanity when experiencing unbearable pain.

    -A way to repress the truth of loss, a way to continue to function 'normally'.

    -A pattern of life for individuals who are compulsively driven to 'look good'.

    -A way to avoid the risk of change as a result of problems or loss.

    wolfpack speaks

    in Alliance Politics

    Posted · Edited by Meterman

    It seems to me that the rogue nation of YourLurkinbg Shadow has set the Wolfpack up for destruction. By aiding the RoT nations it appears he was not funding spies but rather, passing on his resources ($, tyech, soldiers)....possibly to nations that he himself operates....so that he would not lose them if the Wolfpack caught him doing this. Lurking was a rogue within the pack and on many occasssions was asked to leave I believe. So this brings us to why he would say these things that simply are not true. Just because he was mad at the wolfpack just as certain other former members of the wolfpack who are now attacking our nations are mad at us. I will be the 1st to admit that communication within the general wolfpack forums as of late has been lacking but I am certain that had we known a rogue nation was conducting clandastine spy operations or had we known a rogue nation was accusing the pack of clandestine spy operations we would have been open and honest to all on planet Bob and worked with them to uncover the truth and eradicate all nations intent on conducting spy operations or treason.

    If a spy network did exist, I can say with confidence that 99.99% of Wolfpack nations did not know of it, did not participate in it, and would not under any circumstance condone it.

    It seems to me the YourLurkingShodow should be the common enemy of all, not thev wolfpack.

    I am speaking as an independent nation within the Wolfpack Alliance and not on behalf of the alliance as I am not a member of the government nor do I have the clearance from the government to do so. I am speaking because I believe the real truth needs to be uncovered before numerous nations within the alliance, including myself, who are completely innocent of any wrong doing are completely obliterated.

    Respectfully and Honorably,

    Hoff10

    Ruler of Montuky

    Something you are missing here are the dates at which these things happened. At the time Lurking was by no means a 'Rogue' within Wolfpack. He was in fact head of the Wolfpack Academy.

    Also I know it is your stage of denial but the fact is your Alpha did know and did no uncovering of the truth in order to eradicate Lurking.

    We feel confident in the justification for your obliteration. Seems to me that there should have been better control over members of Wolfpack and communications that promote honest and dignified action.

    EDIT: For grammar

    Announcement from the GGA; NO, BAD DOG BAD!!

    in Alliance Politics

    Posted

    The fact is that GGA has other treaty obligations that make defending Wolfpack an impossibility. That is besides the fact that Wolfpack has committed an act of spying and I don't think that there are many on Planet Bob that would defend them. As usual GGA is doing the honorable thing by adhering to the 48 hour notice of cancellation and not proceeding with action against Wolfpack.

    The wolf and the lamp

    in Open World Forum

    Posted

    Lord, fuzzy you are losing it. You may want to check into Bellvue. Didn't you barely escape from the Woodstock Massacre? Are you not the leader of a single man alliance? Because you sound like you are still in the GPA.

    Anyway, lamps are all the rage nowadays and lambs are innocent - The GPA is not.

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