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[quote name='dejarue' timestamp='1339697559' post='2983729'] We have noticed that you "don't get it". You've been not "getting it" for quite a while now. MK is the party with responsibility because they were the one intervening on CSN's affairs and wanted Dave off the list. I don't know how you "don't get it", because it's been explained to you a few times. [/quote] so when csn allies jump on MK can i come in here and complain and whine about how it's not fair and it's not logical? why didn't you come talk to us about it? don't meddle in our affairs? should MK not expect to get attacked here?

[quote name='Hiro Nakara' timestamp='1339697195' post='2983716'] I don't know, maybe a IRC conversation so they had a MK government representative stating such rather than some guy that could have put any excuse down to get out of war? [/quote] why is MK the only party here with any sort of responsibility? i don't get it. the people attacking dave knew he was claiming to be protected by MK. was he really? they could be skeptical, sure. did they look into it? i don't know. either way, they then nuke him and thus here we are. mk is not saddened by the thought of going to war. is csn? i don't know. if they cared they could have prevented it.

[quote name='dejarue' timestamp='1339697125' post='2983710'] Well, I have tried. Everyone else here seems to have know why it's illogical. Is it frustrating when everyone else knows something you don't? [/quote] right, everyone agrees with you. i'm not frustrated in the least. this is fun.

[quote name='Blooddraken' timestamp='1339696960' post='2983703'] How is it CSN's responsibility? MK accepted someone already at war and on a ZI list. They should have done a little research before accepting Dave as an applicant. [/quote] he hasn't been accepted.

[quote name='dejarue' timestamp='1339696965' post='2983704'] I strongly suspect that if they had, it would have been in the OP, rather than just the fact peace offers were sent with claims not backed at any point by MK until MK declared war. At least I think I have made you understand why the MK stance on this is completely illogical. [/quote] no, you haven't. sorry.

[quote name='dejarue' timestamp='1339696688' post='2983696'] Frustrating. Your argument has basically retreated to "well if he didn't want me to walk up and shoot him in the face he shouldn't have been standing on the street corner". [/quote] not exactly. it's more like if they don't want to get shot in the face then don't point a gun at us. i still don't get what all this crying is about. if and when allies jump on MK do you think we will cry about the moral injustice of it? you should have checked in with us? flimsy CB! good lord. when you attack someone who is protected/allied you should expect to get attacked back.

[quote name='askani the rotund' timestamp='1339696537' post='2983691'] Did MK's .Gov contact CSN and verify his status? of vice versa ? [/quote] i am not gov so i couldn't tell you.

[quote name='dejarue' timestamp='1339696468' post='2983685'] Do you think admin should destroy nations if while being attacked someone claims admin is protecting them? It wasn't CSN's responsibility. It was MK's. Just read the prior, like, 14 posts. You'll be caught up in no time. [/quote] i don't get what point you are trying to make here. if csn cared about not getting declared on they could have taken steps to be assured that it wouldn't happen. they didn't take those steps.

[quote name='Blooddraken' timestamp='1339696411' post='2983683'] Why was it CSN's responsibility to contact MK? They were already at war with Dave. Hell, one of yours was at war with Dave that very day. When you accepted him as an Applicant, it became your responsibility to end his wars peacefully. Not anyone else's. CSN had the right to ZI Dave as per their rules (and even Dave's agreement based on the other thread on the subject). MK did not have the right to declare war on CSN for what they had been doing before MK got involved. [/quote] i'll take that back. it's their responsibility if they wanted to avoid war. i guess they didn't want to.

[quote name='Hiro Nakara' timestamp='1339696337' post='2983680'] They were already at war with him, why wouldn't they nuke him? If you want to protect a nation that is on a zi list and in active wars with another alliance, it's your responsibility to contact them asking for his release. [/quote] unwritten rules sound great until your alliance gets declared on. oops.

[quote name='dejarue' timestamp='1339696289' post='2983678'] They were never told that he was under MK protection. I'm repeating myself here. It doesn't matter what Dave claimed. MK never went to CSN to ask to get him off the list, or assert protection. Dave could have claimed to be a space alien or protected by admin himself and it wouldn't matter unless admin came and said so. Do I need to draw you a picture? [/quote] i guess so. he sent peace and claimed he had protection from MK. if csn cared they could have looked into it. they didn't and nuked anyway. i guess they didn't mind this outcome.

[quote name='dejarue' timestamp='1339696056' post='2983674'] CSN was already at war with him. It doesn't matter what Dave says. It would have mattered if MK had gone to CSN to get Dave off the list. Until then, he's a legitimate target. Maybe I spoke out of turn. Maybe you haven't had to handle one of these conversations before. Yes, MK is the one that should have approached CSN to get Dave off their list. Now you know. [/quote] csn had to know that nuking someone under the protection of MK could lead to this. they didn't care.

^^^ so MK is so bad because we didn't do all of that yet csn is fine for just going ahead and nuking? i don't get it but ok. regardless, this should be fun.

[quote name='James Dahl' timestamp='1339695249' post='2983654'] I don't think you understand how your own alliance operates. [/quote] i would disagree.

[quote name='dejarue' timestamp='1339695039' post='2983646'] Does your "extensive" application process not include checking war screens? [/quote] what does that have to do with anything? we've already established and acknowledged that he was declared on prior to applying to mk.

that was after he had already applied to MK

[quote name='askani the rotund' timestamp='1339694778' post='2983641'] Did MK contact CSN for an explanation ? It seems that both parties share fault here. [/quote] you are throwing around the word fault like something bad has happened.

i will concede this point. both groups could have avoided the war. neither did. it's that easy.

[quote name='dejarue' timestamp='1339694322' post='2983626'] But you are in here, in droves, foolishly trying to justify this as if this war is not entirely MK's responsibility and fault. CSN did nothing wrong here. [/quote] we can agree to disagree.

[quote name='dejarue' timestamp='1339694094' post='2983616'] If you allowed Dave the protection of your AA, you're playing pointless word games to wiggle out of the fact you're pinned on your own argument. I'm really not down for word games. It's too early right now for me. [/quote] we aren't the ones crying about this war taking place. you don't have to believe or agree with us. it doesn't change the facts or what is going on.

[quote name='Seerow' timestamp='1339692713' post='2983580'] I eagerly await to see what Clash's description of MK looks like by the end of this war. My guess is he won't be able to refer to us without a 500 word essay. [/quote] i hope he has a waterproof keyboard to protect it from all the tears.

[quote name='Blooddraken' timestamp='1339692594' post='2983575'] we already covered this. He was at war even before he was an applicant. You violated their sovereignty by offering him protection from a justified ZI [/quote] i knew you'd find a way.

[quote name='Clash' timestamp='1339692437' post='2983571'] http://www.fallacyfiles.org/redherrf.html Yeah. [/quote] linking definitions means you are clearly winning. keep at it.

[quote name='Hyperonic' timestamp='1339692167' post='2983561'] You say that like you don't actually enjoy low hanging fruit. [/quote] not really. i won't dispute that.

[quote name='Clash' timestamp='1339692159' post='2983560'] This is called a red herring. Someone please go look it up for him. I am worth much more than that. Pffft. [/quote] 87000 casualties you are a war machine. the warrior clearly lives in you.