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  2. Reason and Purpose

    in Open World RP

    Posted · Edited by Fyfe XIV

    [quote name='Charles Stuart' timestamp='1301449273' post='2680317']
    And he clearly did not have the same interests as these of his membership. So he left and allowed an individual who was more in touch with the membership's needs to take over. What would you rather have, a leader who does not support the actions of his or her alliance yet remains in a leadership role or a leader who steps down and allows a member who does support the actions and interests of the alliance to take over?
    [/quote]

    We. Were. At. War.

    If he had stepped down it would have been one thing but he [i]left[/i].

  3. Reason and Purpose

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    Posted

    [quote name='Muddog' timestamp='1301444545' post='2680270']
    I suppose everyone is entitled to their opinion, being a low man on the totem pole my opinion doesn't count for much. I can respect where Athens is coming from IC. I don't agree with exacting a 2 year old grudge, but had it stayed IC I wouldn't have felt compelled to post. Regardless of who they are, what they have or have not done, or what you think of them, everyone has value. To assume other wise is to devalue the human life and time that was placed into the nation and RP character. [b]If this individual was so worthless than why was he high ranking Athens Gov, why did you consider him so close[/b], why did his leaving burn such a deep hate into you that it is no longer about the game and becomes more about settling a personal vendetta via the game. I have a great deal of respect for Athens, its really to bad that this couldn't just stay IC, but had to become a personal attack against a member of this community.
    [/quote]

    Because he hadn't shown us his true colors yet. As for personal vendetta, if it makes you feel better, think of our single ZI sentence (thats all we sentenced) as him paying what he owed. It was not our intention to drive him from the game, that is completely up to him.

    Any opinions that we're better off without him are just that, personal opinions, and are not what Athens as an IC entity believes.

  6. Reason and Purpose

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    Posted

    [quote name='Mayzie' timestamp='1301412317' post='2679953']
    Where has anything I've brought up been explained?

    I've not once questioned the ZI sentence, which was explained in the OP here, just pointed out that the way you've gone about it is cowardly. Waiting two years for him to move into an alliance you were in a position to push around.

    Of course it was [i]non-negotiable[/i], AB and their allies are in no position to refuse your demands. When he applied to join TOP or whatever alliance it was he joined when he left Athens, where was this 'non-negotiable' attitude?
    [/quote]

    Well I can't help that you have a terrible definition of cowardly. We made it clear almost as soon as Panfilo was kicked out of TOP that we would be pursuing a ZI sentence as soon as he left peace mode. [i]We did not wait for him to move into an alliance weaker than ours, we waited for him to not be in an alliance.[/i] The only reason he was able to apply to an alliance was the fact that he was in peace mode. He tried with Exodus, SUN and AB (maybe more) and each time, we approached their gov and explained our position. There were few problems (PMoses lol) and for the most part, Panfilo consistently lied on his applications. His exodus one was particularly funny.

    Well you see, after he left Athens we were busy [b]fighting a war[/b]. Not to mention that at the time Athens was around 500k ns (or something like that) as this was pre-mergermania.

  7. Reason and Purpose

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    Posted · Edited by Fyfe XIV

    [quote name='Mayzie' timestamp='1301400349' post='2679870']
    Sounds to me like Athens are as cowardly as Panfilo himself if they've got to wait two years before even approaching an alliance about this ZI sentence they've held over someone's head. Even then they had to wait for him to join an alliance who weren't in the most politically strong position and had just come out of a war.

    Should've told them to $%&@ off AB, they had their chance two years ago. It wouldn't have been too difficult for them to contact whatever alliance he applied to, explain that he's a former government member of the alliance and is being sentenced for desertion.
    [/quote]

    Hey look! You don't know what happened even though it's been explained numerous times :v:

    Also, its a good thing AB did what they did because we would have pursued him anyways. You could say it was [i]non-negotiable[/i].

    [quote name='Charles Stuart' timestamp='1301398648' post='2679860']
    I thought membership within an alliance was a [i]choice[/i]? If you don't like the alliance then you leave. Pretty simple stuff.
    [/quote]

    So if what you're saying is correct, Pacifica is alright with its members leaving during wartime? Something tells me that isn't true.

  9. Reason and Purpose

    in Open World RP

    Posted · Edited by Fyfe XIV

    [quote name='Wu Tang Clan' timestamp='1301376151' post='2679714']
    I say that to get to this. I firmly believe Athens has/had every right to seek vengeance on the traitorous acts of a former government member. I believe that ZI, in this case, was a warranted course of action. And, I would never tell an alliance how to run their business, especially a fine establishment such as Athens. That being said, I wish there was some sort of alternative solution, because I do think Panfilo could become a respectable member given the right conditions (admittedly, Exodus did not provide those conditions at the time, or now). And, if this does lead to the departure of another experienced member from our humble planet, I disagree with the previous posters, as I believe something of value will be lost. In a state of dwindling numbers, one lost is too many lost, if we have the chance to change it.
    [/quote]

    We merely wanted Panfilo to pay his debt to Athens and he has. A single ZI sentence is by no means driving him from the game and I don't see an alternative solution being necessary. If his response to facing the loss of his 10k precious infra is to sell said infra, delete his wonders and insult us in his native language in his bio then I question whether he can actually change. His response has been downright childish and I believe that people like him contribute nothing to this game other than as a statistic. I do respect you and your opinion and I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

    He wasn't even good at war when he tried to fight :v:


    [quote name='Systemfailure' timestamp='1301379139' post='2679745']
    have fun panfilo :popcorn::popcorn:
    [/quote]

    It seems like he not agree with fun either

    http://www.cybernations.net/nation_drill_display.asp?Nation_ID=123271

    :wacko:

  10. Reason and Purpose

    in Open World RP

    Posted

    [quote name='ace072199' timestamp='1301369495' post='2679646']
    I understand your anger & Frustration over this, I really do. I just think after all this time has passed that you would be over it. Panfilo I am sure, (by looking at his nation) is leaving the game. So it is finally over, I hope after holding a grudge this long you guys finally got some relief out of this.

    I will say Panfilo, assured me that he wanted to rebuild his reputation. He assured me that he was going to Fight beside us if we needed him to.

    I also would like to add how funny it is that you didn't attack him while he was in TOP, but he joins a smaller alliance and it is not negotiable.
    [/quote]

    Yeah well he also lied on multiple applications after being kicked out of an alliance for refusing to fight. Words are easy to say.

    If all Schatt has are his usual chowderheaded comments then we're good to go.

  11. Reason and Purpose

    in Open World RP

    Posted

    I'm going to go ahead and agree with Rush here, there is absolutely nothing wrong with driving Mr. NOT AGREE WITH THIS WAR out of here.

    Its also interesting how few people understand the concept of non-negotiable.



    o/ Panfilo at ZI

  12. War Propaganda

    in Open World RP

    Posted

    [quote name='Ryuzaki' timestamp='1301294986' post='2678934']
    TOP obviously.
    [/quote]

    Yeah i've just always associated platypuses with [url="http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showuser=28732"]dis dude[/url]. Threw me off for a second :P

  20. The Amazing Sanction Race

    in Open World RP

    Posted

    [quote name='Gopherbashi' timestamp='1301114933' post='2676799']
    I must have taken their pip away when they peaced on the Polar front; thinking that was it. I'll re-add it tomorrow, though they're still in the war stats.
    [/quote]

    Heh fair enough. We just like our little blue dot :wub:

  22. Calling all nominations for...

    in Open World RP

    Posted · Edited by Fyfe XIV

    I'd like to point out that not only is HoT arguing on the internet, but he's also arguing ABOUT the internet on the internet :psyduck:


    Also, what's funny about everyone spewing the "biased" argument is that most of the higher seeds were voted on by everyone regardless of which alliance they were from.

  23. Declaration of War

    in Alliance Announcements (IC)

    Posted

    [quote name='D34th' timestamp='1301068369' post='2676077']
    I love all the whining about how NADC didn't accept white peace, TWICE! :laugh:
    [/quote]

    You have got to have the loosest definition of whining I've ever seen.
    Every morning, I whine up and whine out of bed, then I whine to the bathroom and whine a shower. If I have enought time I'll even whine breakfast!



    Good luck yo.

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