ThatFALGuy
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I don't think we have anything to worry about.
Erm, I dunno about that. At best you are taking on a fickle member. If something doesn't go his way, he leaves, ignoring procedures and consequences. I think that much is wholly apparent here. When he does leave, he takes a drama or three with him on his little ventures. That much is irrefutable at least.
6 alliances since he started, that we know of. First he didn't like the way they did tech deals so left in a week. Second two said NFW as he is a reroll and nothing less. Fourth, he tried to coup as a new nation. Fifth, there is some fishy !@#$ going on regardless. Now your alliance. I dunno if I would say there is nothing to worry about.
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While not actually reading the thread and then taking a stance on it is indeed ignorant, please allow me to dispell that ignorance by supplying some of the proof that has already been supplied to those who actually matter in this situation.
That is a shot of the end of my first chat session with outworld. After that, I requested that he supply proof of the 60 so I could begin payment. To which he of course he freaked out and threatened ZI.
Was that the stance that if you are guilty, you deserve ZI and that if you are not, then, uh, well, you do not? While my bias was not "that" much against you, it is surely increasing. Had you posted that beautiful piece from above at the beginning along with the section you allude to about when Outworld "freaked out and threatened ZI" I can't see this issue having logically gotten past the first day. I see that you guys had an agreement. I don't see where the agreement floundered. Rather selective aren't we? This is something of an occurrence with you now isn't it?
Two and a half to three days.Thank you, though apparently wrong.
Such proof does not exist as I just happen to have all the logs in which I agreed or disagreed to anything. Fancy that.Fancy that. Absence of something does not denote non existence of something.
Oh yes, the PM where me telling you that I wasn't Junka was, in your mind, proof that I was him. That was a dandy of a PM. Should we share with the world?
Yes, you could say that. You, a person that lied in more than one instance including but not limited to your application at ML, tells me that you are not a certain someone and automatically I am to believe it....interesting. Your "proof" then was that you "talked" to Mobius (of course, only hearsay) and that someone else was accused of being Junka. As well, I never said it was "proof", just that per your response, "If I wasn't convinced you were Junka ten minutes ago, I sure am now". In the end and as previously stated, it is possible you were mistakenly accused of being Junka. You may not be Junka. What labeled you Junka were a combination of others concerns exterior to ML, the timing of your very new nation to an obviously seasoned player and your lies in your application thread. Not to mention your penchant for being a stickler to certain rules when they served your purpose, but ignorant of them when they did not, like, I dunno, this thread.
I don't need to speak for Spider but in my mind what he's saying is that certain people are privy to information and others are not. Those who have information have been speaking with that as a firm foundation. Those (such as yourself and others) have been speaking based on the limited information posted here and their own biases. If you're speaking from such a limited information base, it's probably just better to keep out.Yes, that limited information stuff. Like providing a screen shot that you made an agreement, but not one that the agreement was abruptly ended by the other party, which coincidentally would be the ultimate proof that you are in the right. I mean, what's better evidence that your agreement was ended for nefarious reasons than to show such a nefarious conversation?
Considering exactly HOW much of a stickler you are about following the rules, taking pride in the rules and so forth, etc., etc., etc.... you seem to have no problem forgetting them when they advance you own cause. This situation is a prime example of it. In one post you lay pride in this, in another you feign that you didn't know or had a mix up about the rules, however that was relayed. This is an identical occurrence both here and your old application thread at ML.
Late post is late, started earlier and got pulled away.
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Alright, now there's my beef explained in four simple words.
"simple single nation ZI"
I've observed a general obsession by some posters about the rare practice of chasing people who reroll to new nations. It is frequently claimed that alliances who do this ever are diminishing the world we live in.
Until I see a similar disdain by such posters about the common practice of alliance leaders giving ZI orders against random people for very little cause - which is frequently defended with the argument "well we're not going after him if he rerolls" - I remain sanguine as to the motives.
Ask yourself if you would like to continue on in a world where one or two years of nation development can be taken away by a cranky alliance leader on a whim.
ZI orders are serious and should not be given lightly.
I agree. The days of GOONs picking people to ZI based on resource pairings or whatever that was about, that was just nuts. I don't agree with just picking a nation for ZI for no reason at al, though still it is that alliances choice, as distasteful as it may be to you or I.
Now, what may be just cause in your opinion can very well be different in my opinion. To me, theft is just cause, if it is theft. If things are as said here by GRAN, then it is theft. If they are not as CF states, then it is not. Really when it comes down to it, it's still sorta up in the air. Both are wrong and both are right from statements by both sides, neither has been proven to be lying nor either to be more truthful.
eta...
There is such thing as "simple single nation ZI" when a nation simply steals from you, you simply ZI them. It is really nobody elses business. I have never made it the outside worlds business when someone stole from me, I just use appropriate action to rectify the issue to my satisfaction.
And as far as rerolls, I dunno on that one. From my standpoint, once a pickle, always a pickle. Is a ruler really a different person just by moving to a different country/nation and changing their name? I find it absurd to think so really.
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What's funny here is that you don't have any reason to join in on this little debate, but still do.
Pot meet kettle?
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It is not correct.
Absolutely there is. If I didn't have evidence to support myself, I would not be here in the position I am.
Also, weren't you the guy who said I was denied from Molon Labe because I was Junka and my whole application process was just to have a good laugh at me?
Fake edit: Yes you were.
Sorry if I am being ignorant (ignorant in that I did not read the other 14 page thread past your response on page 2), but where exactly is the proof? It would seem that if you offered it up, this would have all been cleared from the beginning and with you paying back your debt, not others. That's not to say I am taking GRAN's side 100%, while I like them enough, I try to remain as unbiased as possible hence my stating this is all sorta mucky and asking if there was proof of such. As well I asked how long after you left that you were sentenced to ZI. Would have been equally as nice for GRAN to provide proof that you refused repayment or whatnot as well.
Where I am biased with you is that the air just seems to eternally stink around you. Yes I was the one to tell you that I thought you were Junka, did it on the OWF as well as in PM. While I realize that I may have been wrong in the exact assessment of WHO you were, I am not wrong in the assessment that you are a re-roll of someone, just possibly not Junky. Your application thread did not start as a joke, but your participation in it became apparent it was a joke and we continued it for (A) lulz and (B) to see who exactly you were. Might I add that ML is not and was not alone in accusations that you were Junka. Drama just seems to follow you while you feign the persecuted. It happens, but IMHO, when it happens so often, there is much more to it.
I gotta disagree. If CF didn't immediately offer to repay what GRAN felt was owed, they should've talked to him. Sentencing him to ZI without talking to him, and advocating such an action, is just absurd. Misunderstandings occur all the time and to attack first, ask questions later is unreasonable.I don't know enough about the situation to levy and opinion about who's right and who's wrong, so I'll just say that Bob's actions here are impressively generous. Good luck to Captain Flinders all parties involved.
Where I come from, when you borrow, it is on you to repay and make those arrangements. If you skirt it, it is the same as theft. It's not like it is a case of "Oops I forgot I owed you $33/60mil that you just gave to me". That's not to say that they should not have talked to him, but it was not their responsibility and it's their sovereignty to decide what course of action is appropriate to them and not to Planet Bob.
I think that the biggest boo-boo here is that GRAN took a simple single nation ZI to the boards, it rarely ever ends well. It just invites people into your private alliance affairs, good or bad. But that's just my 2 cents.
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Interesting affairs. CF seems to have a unique way of making people not particularly care for and question him at most every turn.
Far as the ZI for $60mil is concerned, if it is correct that he left and had not initiated arrangements to pay back the aids taken in a reasonable time frame, he earned ZI 60 million times over. GRAN took it upon themselves to aid CF, CF needed to take it upon himself to clear that debt. I don't care if you take a dollar from me or 50mil, if you do not follow your end of the bargain knowingly and intentionally, you deserve only the best ZI. Seems this area is a bit mucky. Any proof that CF approached GRAN about repaying this debt or did this occur after sentencing to ZI? How long after he left was he sentenced?
Bob, good on you for stepping up to squash this. I don't know you, but good luck with your friend.
It will be interesting to see what comes about in the end.
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Congrats on the new alliance FCC!!
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I remember fondling an HK and 1911 and then the next I knew, I felt different, less manly....
That was because you touched the Glock IIRC.
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Congrats on this Treaty.
o/o/o/ LOSS \o\o\o
o/o/o/ IRAN \o\o\o
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Not giving up my soul.
Welcome back to some of our returning goobermint members and a great welcome to Zephir for his first term in an ML government position.]
o/o/o/ ML\o\o\o
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ML and Supreme Confederacy Of Resolute Nations (SCORN) have been working out some friendly relations, so with that in mind, SCORN is now a protectorate of ML until further notice.
I. Sovereignty and Behavior
Molon Labe and SCORN shall recognize the sovereignty of both alliances in this pact.
Molon Labe and SCORN shall be in a state of non-aggression for the duration of this pact.
Molon Labe and SCORN shall be in a state of amity for the duration of this pact.
II. Aid, Intelligence, and Protection
The alliances of Molon Labe and SCORN agree to aid and defend each other against outside aggression.
The alliances of Molon Labe and SCORN agree to coordinate and share relevant information about the safety of the two alliances.
This treaty also permits an optional-only attack agreement should one of the signatories initiate a state of war with a third party. There is no mandatory mutual attack agreement in place.
III. Interior Policy
Both alliances shall retain complete sovereignty in regards to their respective interior policies.
IV. Exterior Policy
Both alliances agree to warn the other 24 hours before committing to a major foreign policy agreement with a third party.
Molon Labe is given veto powers over any SCORN foreign policy action that can be reasonably shown to threaten the safety of the Molon Labe alliance. Decisions about what threatens the safety of the Molon Labe alliance shall be decided by the Molon Labe Congress. If SCORN disagrees with their decision, they may withdraw by paying off any unpaid debts, and canceling this treaty with a 48 hour notice.
V. Tech Deal Agreement
SCORN agrees for the duration of this agreement that each SCORN nation will save up to 4 aid slots for tech deals with ML nations.
VI. Withdrawal and Review
Cancellation of the pact by any party grants a 72 hour grace period by both parties to both parties before the cancellation comes into effect.
Molon Labe and SCORN shall regularly review this agreement to check the need and validity of a Protectorate agreement based on SCORN's size and need for protection.
For the Supreme Confederacy of Resolute Nations (SCORN)
DredInk - Prime Minister / MoFA
Purgatory - Congress / MoIA
Tdawg - Congress / MoED
Spaz12 - Congress / SoTH
For Molon Labe:
Congress: OD45
Congress: ThatFALGuy
Congress: Pepper
Congress: Psychic Bacon
Congress: Oedipus Rex
MoFA: kswiss2783
MoIA: Leprechaun
MoTaF: Quizart
MoWaD: OD45
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The OP bolded 'friendship' and highlighted the Civility and Communication clauses. From this we can deduce that TPF felt that TGE were not being good friends, not behaving civilly and not communicating – which is interesting, particularly the second point because I have not seen any uncivil behaviour from TGE (even in this thread), and also because TGE seem surprised and disappointed, so TPF clearly did not attempt to keep the relationship going by addressing the problems.
Or TGE failed in returning any attempts at friendship in an acceptable manner. Speculating due to bias is simply ignorant.
To clarify, I am not saying this was on TGE alone by any means. Just pointing out the fail in laying blame without having an informed clue on one party over another. I don't know what happened other than the OP pointing almost blatantly to the two alliances not being as friendly as they once were. It happens, especially after they both go through governmental changes.
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This could have repercussions throughout the entire planet.
I must concur with my Melonius friend. This could have lasting and devastating effects, the likes of which Planet Bob has yet to see.
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Oh but of course you do, good sir. You would certainly know about how competent TGE's leadership is considering they were more than capable of catching wind of your devious nature and threw you out before you could act. Leave your bitterness at the door and say something of importance, please.
Well, he certainly didn't help the situation along any with his actions. That much I can confirm.
As far as I know, and from what my friends in TGE tell me, Flinders was trying to organize a coup using TGE's Military staff and that backfired. He was asked to leave quietly and on his own, and he did. Anything that happened after that, I don't know. So now he is just using this announcement to get out his bitterness over his failed scheme all the while making himself look like a fool in the process.
Regardless of what Junkalunka calls himself at any particular time, he still fails at his attempts to cause trouble.
To the intent of this thread, looks like this was not only expected by many, but mutual in its decision.
o7 o/ to our allies TPF!!!!
Good luck TGE.
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Congrats on this great treaty!
o7 GRAN o/
o7 TSI o/
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I support this however I want some controls put in place so the ML gov does not spend all that money on a party on an exotic island.
What if you were one of the guests of honor? You haven't been to a party till you've been to an ML party.
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Need a new business jet, eh?
Nah, we aren't that shallow, we won't go so far as to replace these nice Apaches we fly around in, we just need more ammo monies....can never have a safe and sufficient amount of ammo.
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You know that 99.9% of all CN leaders would do exactly what this guy is doing, they just wouldn't state it publicly. The thought process would be the same.
I don't know, not so much me thinks. I know of quite a few alliances, my own included that will attempt diplomacy first, but never cower of insurmountable odds. What's the worst that can happen anyway? Death and destruction to your nation? They make pills to fix that.
That you chose this route is bad form, that you chose it knowingly is priceless.
^^@ OP
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My surprise at the treaty has little to do with time your time as friends. Didn't mean it as a slight.
None taken.
As to the treaty, it was like poetry to our ears, how could anyone pass up something so...full of awesome?
0/ 0/ 0/ TPF \o \o \o
o/ o/ o/ US \o \o \o
Here's to a semi renewed, but everlasting friendship.
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http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/8055/hegemonspy1sf7.png
From my cache.
FYI: That plan for dominance would have seriously failed. I mean it was hilarious.
LOLOLOLOL, thanks Shan....*ThatFALGuy wipes his milk from his monitor.
I give this a righteous 8/10.
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Is it just me or does anyone else find the addition of IRON... well weird? Or out of place?
Consider it a special flavor of icing. I for one can't wait for the first use of this grand duckroll, the continued camaraderie in time of war with our allies, both current and new.
o/ HAIL IRON \o
o/ HAIL OURSELVES \o
o/ HAIL TORN \o
o/ HAIL VALHALLA \o
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WOO HOOO!!!
Congrats to our allies and their new allies! Both class acts in every respect.
o7 MK
o7 TORN
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This is clearly needed, with the massive power of USA and it's satellites. I mean, yeah, a 33 member alliance being attacked by a bunch of big guys requires some other moderately big guys to jump to their defense in the event that USA, with it's massive power, gets a massive army to help. Clearly...needed.
Also, what's with always posting that old guy with the gun?
Is it any less needed than your bawwwwing in this thread? I mean come on now.
Who said anything about not honoring treaties? I basically just said there is no purpose to come on here and posture and scare anyone who might help a young and clearly, inexperienced alliance with a terrible leader. Nobody will come anyway, so again...what is the purpose of this...I'm sure some alliance will come and cream a sanctioned alliance and OV over USA. Very likely situation, here.
Seems you all are so drama starved you all jump at the mere thought of war.
Drama, this from a member of VP. This same argument can be argued against yourself, i.e., don't be such a hypocrite.
I'm not here to argue anything about the war, as they provoked the war themselves. I just don't think there is a need for every to rush to VE/OV's defense in such a massively lopsided war.I don't see TORN rushing anywhere, just stating that if you get involved, you probably just won't like it.
Also, see above.
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Choop tried educating me once, I still feel violated.....is this the same class?
Any suggestions on what to bring for the first day lessons?
o7 TORN
My Statement
in World Affairs (IC)
Posted · Edited by Chimay
I think he has tried more than once to relay that you both (both sides that is) screwed the pooch, why keep harping on him? Trying to further malcontent much? Figures.
As far as this thread is concerned, yeah, someone is paying his bills for him and that is finished, but his character, I think that is what is in question at this point. That is what has kept this thread going. To say his character is not questionable is ignorant at best.
Playing a condescending pr*&k does not make you look like the guy getting beaten for nothing, only someone getting a kick in the $@! that deserves it and nothing less.