The fox

It is both nice and sad to see that the collective forces of Judgement are called in to sweep TE of its cancer yet again. Let us hope that this will be a lesson to all, if not least WOLF, Not to try and make TE stale in the future. I would say long live Judgement, but that would be a lie, so I will leave it with this, o/ Judgement, give them hell.

I agree with OP, Senates serve no purpose in a game like TE.

Good luck and welcome to the fray.

I just appear to go around in circles so unless you can bring something new this time around, I see no point. I will also dumb it down for you, so that we can be certain that you understand it and can make a answer beyond the same circling you have been doing. WOLF = Defensive, Now WOLF = Aggressive, why?

So WOLF is in a war, that was launched offensively? While WOLF is a defensive treaty?

So WOLF has entered this, despite the fact that its a aggressive war? What a surprise.. WOLF will be the end of TE.

Whats this I see, calling in SDF too? Are we really that much of a problem for you guys? Anyhow its nice to finally see war.. least its a break from the constant building which has been lingering on my nation for so long.

Ill admit I was wrong about who was in WOLF, Infact I will even go ahead and thank you for clarifying that to me. I didnt know that the statement had changed as I cant keep up with all the threads spawned off from WOLF, so thanks for clarifying that. Doesnt make me wrong on any of my other points, however. "If we dont learn from history, we are doomed to repeat it" - George Santayana I have learnt something from history, have you? Furthermore, I am done discussing with you as you clearly need to result to insults rather sticking to the topic at hand. And it would also seem as if Emperor Stranger has left the thread too.

Putting words in my mouth are we? Well then, I will answer this but it will be the last thing I respond to that will come out of you, because its obviously not any point in even trying. No, I dont think it makes me brave, nor am I stupid, unfortunaly I cant say the same for you.

Yes, ruin it as in you cant declare on any alliance without having several hundreds of other showing up at your doorstep with nukes, completely obliterating your alliance, a curbstomp in other words. I have warred in this round too, but since I dont to hit the wrong person and get my whole alliance in a curbstomp, I dont attack people in big alliances. Most likely due to the fact that you will get a curbstomp if you dont follow with the big guys and do what they tell you to, Regardless of how much they throw around the word sovereignty. Indeed you arent, quite unfortunate really. LE calls in backup, they declare on TPF, its taken as a defensive war and WOLF is activated. A reason to think what? The fact that WOLF is ruining TE? Or that its fine and dandy? And now , perhaps you should stop trying to argue with me before you result to more insulting wording?

You gotta be good at something, eh? Im not, even if I was, what relevance does OOC things have with this?

The difference between you and me is that I havent signed a pact that will ruin a game for hundreds of players just to get in a better position. Infact, I have joined a alliance that is known to fight anyone who attacks them, and doesnt back down from a fight, how is that looking out for myself? You are in the bloc, and then say you wont go to war if the bloc goes to war. It certainly seems like infra hugging to me. And I havent been accusing either one of infra hugging, merely making the game stale and boring to the point where wars dont happen anymore, if you attack any one nation, youll get a +200 man alliance over your nation so you wont be able to play it anymore. You also stated that if WOLF declares war and if the ones that were declared on starts attacking your alliance, you would leave WOLF and start attacking that alliance with your own. So whats the point of you being in this pact to start with, if you are just gonna leave it once your alliance gets attacked to attack the first alliance yourself? I would gladly go to war, hell my nation is already stocked up and ready to go, if you want to take a swing? The guy who spied away my nukes didnt have the courage to declare on me unfortunaly. I still dont see how TPFs allies fits in with making sure that none else joins in? Unless ofcourse you mean that he ment his allies not to join in, but I doubt he would get WOLF to attack his own allies. Likewise would happen if LE had called in some backup to help them with a enemy who has more NS and nukes than they do.

If WOLF is a "defensive" pact as it has been argued, why do you need to ask the rest of the WOLF signatories not to attack? And the round is practically over, what happens in the last day or even week doesnt really matter.

And yet still you think that the bloc is fine and dandy, or you are just experienced enough to hide the fact that the bloc is hurtfull to the rest of the community and that you only use it for your own personal gain. Avoiding my question are you? Next time you post, please answer it instead of evading it. What? What does TPFs allies have to do with anything? If LE had called in backup, WOLF would have been activated and thus curbstomped LE.

If only things worked like that, wouldnt the world be such a wonderfull place? As I am sure you will soon discover, it is now how CN politics work. Then why are you even in this bloc? If you arent willing to give a helping hand when it comes to war? Are you truely that afraid of losing your infra that you have to buffer up yourself behind several big alliances just so you know you wont get hit? Please provide a full list of all alliances involved in this treaty pact then. And dont say that those listed in the initial announcement are all of them, because two posts or so under it, it is mentioned that not everyone who is in it is in the announcement.

The fact that a 3/4 vote activates the WOLF pact and thus it goes to war? I have seen wars where alliances have attached signatories in a pact when those who were attacked were not involved in the war. Dont think that just because your alliance doesnt start any wars that you will be left unscaved. How is a few small alliances leaving a pact that has 50% or more of the total NS in the whole game making it fall apart?

A post or two after the announcement, It is stated that not all signatories are shown in the announcement. Even if there is no CB, and I dont see why CBs need to be in TE to start with, you would still be controlled by the majority vote to go to war. You would still be attacked by the alliance, or possibly alliance treaty partners, if war was declared. With most probability, those who leave WOLF will sooner or later get attacked by those who are still in WOLF.

Even so, lets say that WOLF wants to go to war, a 3/4 majority vote goes through, but you dont want to go to war. Voila, you've just been controlled to go to war wether you want it or not. And I would suspect its off-topic since this is a DoW thread, a more fitting place to discuss this would most likely be the thread in which WOLF is announced, maybe not tho. I suppose OP still has the power to lock threads if he/she feels it has gone too far?

Not really, since WOLF would then become active as its a "defensive" pact. And since the full list of participants in the WOLF pact was never revealed, I would be very surprised if none of the above mentioned alliances arent in it.

So its fine for as long as none complains about it, but when you get a guy that is displeased with this, its all of a sudden important matter and needs a explination? Along with the fact that a persons opinion can be dismissed? The fact that the remainder of LE hasnt posted and been at their normal cheerfull mood is most likely a sign of the distaste with this DoW. And I assume that this DoW came 24 hours or so after the WOLF pact was declared is just a coincidence right? I mean, it cant be a part of a grand scheme, because that would be outrageous, right?

Not to sound offensive or anything but, you havent had much experience with pacts have you? I can assure you, the bigger people control the pact, not you, you are not equal in the pact. I can assure you, at one point or another, the big alliances in the pact will show their true color, unfortunaly for your own alliance and all those other small ones, by then it will be far too late to do anything. And with that, I will departure from this, like I mentioned I believe we have strayed off-topic enough by now.

I doubt such a thing will happen, The major leaders in WOLF have enough power amongst themselves to take out the majority of alliances in the game. I am sure that at some point, WOLF will go to a aggressive war, most likely without asking the majority of those who hold the pact at the moment. And what happens if you dont back them up? As history has learned us, those who cant do their job will be taken care of. As in, you will get kicked out of the pact and then beaten into oblivion.

So, first you state that WOLF is only for defensive reasons, and now you say he can use it as a tool to threaten other alliances? You guys havent even had this pact for 48 hours and its already leaking like a target at a gunrange. The corruptness with this pact is clear as day, to the extent that I truely am surprised that more people havent opposed this by now.

Then one can wonder why he would even have posted it to start with, It is quite clear that WOLF is used for more than defense, as if what you say is correct, he used it as a tool to threaten people into not attacking TPF in the defense of LE. That is up for discussion, as I mentioned in the above post, if Burning had no means of making WOLF go to war against anyone who defends LE, which is worse, then he is using it as a tool to threaten people into not defending LE. I wonder if this will turn into standard procedure, I wonder why I wouldnt be surprised if that was the case. But I believe we have wandered off-topic enough with this as it is.

Yes, I got the post wrong, so? It doesnt change what was written, so what does this have for relevance?