Mulletvampire
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I love this plan. I'm excited to be a part of it.
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For whatever it's worth... I like and respect this policy very much.
I've never understood what any alliance has to gain by pushing people away from a given color sphere. More nations = more opportunities for trade = profit.
To all of those who are attempting to poke holes in this doctrine, I have one simple suggestion.
Test them.
Go ahead and raid some unaligned red nation and see what happens. Experience is often the best teacher.
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You can't stop Egore. You can only hope to contain him.
Also, hail.
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Song choice seems appropriate, given the... subject matter of the OOC attacks.
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OX, I love you... you know that...
But impersonating a leader of another alliance -- that by itself should have been enough to warm up the ol' banhammer.
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No, that's not accurate. I was mostly unavailable this week (as I stated previously)...the statement was prepared almost immediately after the incident happened by our MoFA and he was waiting for my approval.
The reason it took TPF several days to respond is immaterial.
It took you several days to respond.
Meanwhile, your alliance-mates and allies are complaining that the GPA -- reacting in four hours -- didn't move quickly enough.
I'm well aware of your stance on OOC attacks. My own stance is similar -- which is why I, and many others, left GOONS at around the same time TPF left the war. I have nothing but respect for TPF's position.
That said... many people are accusing the GPA of things based on appearances. They didn't move to condemn the impostor -- therefore it appears they condone what he was saying.
There's a flip side to that.
The fact that TPF acted days after the Orders makes it appear -- correctly or incorrectly -- that you are jumping on some sort of anti-GPA bandwagon.
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Xenu is a former GPA member.
(For what it's worth, so is Kristin Marie.)
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Here's the thing about the Declaration of Neutrality... coming from a former MoFA of the GPA.
The GPA is bound by it, even if no one else signs on. It says, in a nutshell, "We're the GPA. We're not going to attack anyone."
The fact that anyone has signed it or not is really immaterial -- the GPA is bound by it either way.
It disappoints me to see my former alliance held in such low esteem by powers with whom we were once close... which is not to say that the actions of The Orders and IRON are unmerited.
It also disappoints me to see how many people still seem offended that there might be a group here that would rather concentrate on economics than warfare.
Unless things have changed substantially since I left the alliance -- and I mean, changed in a fundamental, earth-shattering, "the GPA is not the GPA any more" sort of way... the Green Protection Agency is not a threat to anyone, nor does it aspire to be. A couple of poorly-timed diplomatic gaffes don't change that.
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the thing is, that their IC neutrality was brought into it in defense of not kick/banning the person. so the simple question of whether their IRC chat should be treated as OOC or as IC is valid. if it is OOC, then their IC neutrality bears no relevance and he should have been kick/banned immediately. if it is IC, then they should have kick/banned him immediately for breaking the IC neutrality with an offensive remark to a guest leader of an alliance.
Neutrality does not equal anarchy where anything goes. Neutrality in regards to CN means you have no diplomatic views one way or the other as an alliance. allowing someone to insult, in such an offensive manner, another alliance (especially a leader) is not being neutral. that is very and treacherously close to siding with one side over another. K/Bing is in effect a neutral action, as it can be put in place for all and not applied to just one side or the other.
those who claim that neutrality means that all other alliances have a right to enter their chatroom and flame other alliances, is well not that bright. that just means that all other alliances are going to run roughshod over GPA and potentially cause a war for GPA that GPA does not want. like now. this is why OOC attacks of that level should just be universally not tolerated.
I don't think anyone is arguing that OX made the correct decision here.
I don't think anyone's making that argument credibly, anyway.
Obviously, something was done incorrectly -- which is why he's been put on trial by the GPA government. That's as it should be.
And with that, and the multiple apologies that have been posted here, I'd argue that the case should be closed.
(Course, that's just me speaking for me and not my alliance or anyone else.)
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GPA members have the right to an investigation and trial if accused of wrongdoing. That's why there's a need.
I doubt you'd appreciate it if GPA members questioned the inner workings of your alliance -- why not afford them the same courtesy? Especially as they have already apologized several times and placed the person responsible on their version of administrative leave?
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Freedom of expression only exists when there is no (legal) repercussions that could come from your words...
Nonsense.
Speaking in in-character terms -- bringing OOC into the mix complicates matters exponentially.
There is freedom of speech, and there is freedom of expression.
There is not freedom from consequences.
I have every right to create an in-character thread criticizing every move made by just about every alliance in the game... and so long as I don't violate the rules of this board, I've done nothing wrong. But I'd probably have a hard time getting accepted into an alliance, and I might just get nuked as a result of posting those opinions.
That's as it should be.
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Bah.
Freedom of speech does not extend to private forums, anyway.
Anyone claiming to have freedom of speech within a forum such as this one is misinformed... or foolish... or both.
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Me, I'm just happy to be here.
Though I feel like I should be looking for a hedgehog-themed avvy...
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I think you are reading the political climate completely wrong. Planet Bob is going to be in a state of chaos post war. The Orders are at thier most vulnerable point since before WUT. The League is a big group of alliances with nothing in common and in many chases they don't even like each other. Many of them will be looking for the Orders to pay them back for helping in the war and many of those paybacks will be counter to what others who also fought want. The alliances that made up the UJP will be realigning in a new world further upsetting the landscape. If anything CN has become a much more dangerous place, no great blocs, treaties that can be ignored at a whim and lots of alliances expecting to get something for fighting, and old grudges put on hold will return with a vegence. I think things will be more drama filled than ever.
There's a ring of truth in this.
Personally, I think the way the current war seems to be ending -- not with a clear battlefield victory but rather with a general implosion of the coalition on one side -- simply means that nothing at all has been settled.
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For whatever it's worth...
I think there are somewhat special circumstances in this war... as a fair number of people have resigned from the conflict not due to the conflict itself, but rather out of a desire not to be associated with some of the actions of some of the alliance leaders involved.
While you do have the right to refuse such surrenders... it's also reasonable to think that some such players might speedily become allies if treated reasonably and well.
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I officially resign from GOONS and surrender to... anyone who cares to accept my surrender.
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Kaitian didn't post that quote in this thread. Bilrow did. Apparently after getting information passed along from a private IRC room.
The person who sent Bilrow that quote apparently chose not to send quite a few others that were much more in line with the OP of this thread.
Or, Bilrow chose not to post those.
Either way... the point is the same. It is unfair to condemn anyone for one line taken from an IRC session that was several hours long -- and which was supposed to have been private.
EDIT: Spelling
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I don't want anybody turning CN itself to crap.
Too late, my friend.
Too late.
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Honestly, I miss the GPA announcements with full audio and a "death to admin" signoff at the end.
But nice work, Fu.
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Which is why the "no first strikes" treaty is nothing but meaningless posturing in the first place.
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Short attention spans. I blame television.
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And GOONS wasn't all too happy to march along with them? Various alliance in WUT remained neutral, didn't even voice support for GGA. GOONS did. GOONS allied themselves with the GGA while they were purging the green team, GOONS actively helped them. It seems GOONS doesn't seem mind that much, so why condemn the GGA?
Because GGA started it.
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This verbal war has gone both ways, I am an example of that. However, the difference is very clear in your coalition's own name. Your side is Unjust.
That's just... silly.
It's a name. And a jokey name at that.
Next you're going to tell me that GOONS are bad because GOONS actually shove neutrals. Or that Electron Sponge is in great danger due to the melting ice at the north pole. Or that \m/... OK, bad example.
I was a fairly impartial observer to all the goings-on between the WUT alliances and the rest of the world until recently. I think I can say without much fear of contradiction that the GOONS and \m/ certainly don't have a monopoly on what is right and just in this simulated world.
(For example, I cannot for the life of me figure out why anyone would ally themselves with the GGA after seeing GGA's totally baseless attempts to purge the green team of alliances like VE and Sparta. But that's me.)
By all means, continue to role-play yourself into the moral high ground. Go ahead with your meaningless treaties promising no first-strikes. But don't pretend that your side has some sort of moral justification here.
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It's not an official thread without a grumpy remark from Penchuk.
C'mon, Penchuk. Where you at? I'm getting worried.
Also, welcome, RIA.
The Revenge Doctrine Discussion
in Global Politics
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I'll repeat what I said in the other thread...
I encourage all those who have a problem with this policy or think the NPO will have a hard time enforcing it to test them on it.
I'll even dig up a list of unaligned red nations in the correct NS range for anyone who wants to take me up on the offer.
'Course, the other option would be to continue whining.
Opethian (I think) had it right... you still have the ability to tech raid anyone you want. You just don't have a reasonable expectation that you'll get away with it.