Lynneth Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 Only days after the announcement of protection over Ecuador and Peru, Tikalian forces were quite busy moving into the regions to secure them. Previously, there had been a combines 40,000 men in the two countries, and now Ecuador was being reinforced with 35,000 troops to 50,000 in total, while Peru's total numbers would be brought to 110,000 men. Neither number included armoured vehicles or walkers, though considering the terrain only relatively few were deployed. 50 tanks and 30 Walkers were moved into Ecuador, about twice that into Peru. Tikal's 'point of entry' were Piura on the coast, and the massive province of Loreto, from them moving into the rest of the country until hopefully reaching Ucayali, Junín and Lima unopposed. As troops moved through cities and towns, they reassured the populace that Tikal was now here and that they didn't have to fear any warlords or militias that might in the past have attempted to raid or conquer them. They would be receiving better medical attention once Tikalian doctors had made their way southwards, infrastructure would receive maintenance. Tikal wanted to help local governors and government to keep the peace and help the people live, instead of survive. Of course, someone somewhere had made a small mistake. Apparently, Bolivia had previously declared a protectorate over Peru, though the Tikalians had not yet been contacted by anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Ilyich Posted September 2, 2014 Report Share Posted September 2, 2014 (edited) "Bolivia hopes that the situation at hand regarding Tikal entering land that is already administered by BOAF. Please do nit waste our time." Edited September 4, 2014 by Ferdinand Foch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynneth Posted September 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2014 "We question whether Bolivia is truly administering and protecting these regions. Our troops have not yet reported encountering any troops to inform them of a previously existing protectorate, and upon questioning, none of the people in Piura, Loreto or Tumbes regions have reported knowing about a protectorate other than Tikal's Monroe Doctrine. Our troops are currently moving into the regions Amazonas, Cajamarca, La Libertad, San Martín, Huánuco and Ucayali. They have as of yet not encountered any significant signs of these regions being under anyone's protection." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Ilyich Posted September 3, 2014 Report Share Posted September 3, 2014 (edited) "We have troops in every region, and if you did or did not encounter us, it is not our problem. The people did also know about our status as we had established. The transitional government that they currently have. We have built parks and cities. The fact that you were in the area was not brought to our attention. " Edited September 4, 2014 by Ferdinand Foch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynneth Posted September 3, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2014 "Just how many troops do you have in 'every' region? We have not encountered Bolivian troops in major cities throughout the regions our troops are currently moving through to secure them, cities such as Tumbes, Iquitos or Trujillo. We have not seen evidence of any newly established parks or cities in these northern regions. We would like to note that the Tikalian Protectorate Force allocated to Peru currently numbers 110,000 soldiers, 100 tanks, 60 specialised vehicles and various support vehicles. We expect being able to keep the peace in a region consisting of everything north Ucayali, Junín and Lima, including these three regions. That's a population of just over 20 million people - we're thus allocating a soldier for every 185 people. How many men has Bolivia allegedly dedicated to protect Peru's population? Because at the time, it appears that your government merely claimed a protectorate without truly enforcing it, instead neglecting the people living within." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Ilyich Posted September 4, 2014 Report Share Posted September 4, 2014 "We have recently sent over 15,000 more BOAF forces, thanks to Tikal's concern. Regarding the amount of troops, that is sadly confidential. Instead of discussing this, how about we begin discussing the real issue here, which is not the fact that you did not encounter us. We sent soldiers to every state, and marked it as protectorate. We notified the people, so i do not know why you seem to feel like you are in the right. Your nation has soldiers in almost every region in the Americas, so I am really confused as to why you cannot let this region go. Your nation controlles all unclaimed land in the Americas already, so why do you need this? So, with that in mind, remove your troops from the states of all states, excluding Piuno. Bolivia thanks you for your cooporation. We have nothing else to say in this matter." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynneth Posted September 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2014 "Your claims do not change that we haven't found any civilian who could tell us whether they were living in a region protected by Bolivia. And whether we have troops elsewhere in the Americas is irrelevant - those regions are excellently administered by local governments without an official declaration of protection from Tikal. The Monroe Doctrine is quite different from such an official declaration - like we have done for Ecuador, or parts of Peru. We do not 'control all unclaimed land' in the Americas, we help local governments administer them. "There is quite a difference between the two. Another difference is that Tikalian laws do not apply in lands protected by the Monroe Doctrine, while they do apply to lands we protect specifically. In light of all this, we unfortunately cannot agree to removing our forces from the Peruvian provinces we have promised to protect." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Ilyich Posted September 4, 2014 Report Share Posted September 4, 2014 (edited) "We are working to annex much of Peru, so you are just going to have to let us do so. We will not remove troops from Peru. You must leave. You have to realize that you did not know we were there, it is not our problem. We don't care. We were there first, so it is ours. Did you not learn about that in school? Wait, I guess Tikal is too focused on ripping off other nations to care about there education. Get out. We made our negotiation, and you will be sure that we will discuss "Tikal" with other American nations. Have a nice day." Edited September 4, 2014 by Ferdinand Foch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynneth Posted September 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2014 [OOC: For the record, I consider this not a proper meeting, but a series of messages sent between each other.] "Just as you will not leave, so will we not, either. Tikal is committed to protecting the three great native Civilisations and their lands. We will not allow a heavily militaristic state the chance to drive the native culture into the ground. Though our forces have been ordered not to fire unless fired upon, they will prevent Bolivian forces from trying to enforce your will upon the Peruvian and Inca people. 'First come, first serve' may apply in school, but it does not apply in the real world." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Ilyich Posted September 4, 2014 Report Share Posted September 4, 2014 "We are going to continue annexing territory, if that is ok with you." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynneth Posted September 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2014 (edited) "As said, our forces will do their utmost to prevent Bolivia from enforcing its will upon the Peruvian population. This includes attempting to annex territory in the regions we protect actively." Edited September 4, 2014 by Lynneth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Ilyich Posted September 4, 2014 Report Share Posted September 4, 2014 (edited) "As said, our forces will do their utmost to prevent Bolivia from enforcing its will upon the Peruvian population. This includes attempting to annex territory in the regions we protect actively." "It is land that WE had first. We demand you allow us to continue annexing territory. You may stay in the states, but once we annex them you will leave. It is either that or we draw a line 50/50 splitting Peru for our nations, Bolivia getting south and Tikal north. " Edited September 4, 2014 by Ferdinand Foch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Ilyich Posted September 4, 2014 Report Share Posted September 4, 2014 "You know what? It has gotten to the point where i am not sure if i want to split it. How is your nation possibly in the right here? We made sure that nations were notified of this, obviously Tikal did not pay attention. We are annoyed to the point where we would almost go to war. However, i doubt we will because unlike Tikal, we like to be good people." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynneth Posted September 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2014 [OOC: Argentina, Chile, Paraguay... Plenty of directions to go towards.] "As said, just because you were there first does not make annexing those territories acceptable to us. We insist upon drawing a line with Tikal protecting Ucayali, Junín, Lima and everything north of them. Bolivia may do what it wishes with the provinces south-east of these. Those provinces alone have a large enough population to add over half of what Bolivia's own population is. If you truly wish to overextend your fledgling nation, you can always look south and south-east." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Ilyich Posted September 4, 2014 Report Share Posted September 4, 2014 "No. You will get everything north of Pasco. We get Pasco and everything directly next to it and below it, of which inculdes: Ucayali, Lima, Junin, Ica, Huancavelica, etc." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynneth Posted September 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2014 (edited) "That is not acceptable to us. Tikal has the ability to protect the northern 2/3rds of Peru. Bolivia does not have the resources to administer more than 1/3rd in our opinion, which is what our proposal would result in. Anything more and your nation would overextend itself in our opinion, leading to weakness that neighbours may feel they can exploit." Edited September 4, 2014 by Lynneth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Ilyich Posted September 4, 2014 Report Share Posted September 4, 2014 (edited) "That is not acceptable to us. Tikal has the ability to protect the northern 2/3rds of Peru. Bolivia does not have the resources to administer more than 1/3rd in our opinion, which is what our proposal would result in. Anything more and your nation would overextend itself in our opinion, leading to weakness that neighbours may feel they can exploit." "We have 17,000 troops in Peru, and this will be split 50/50 or we will have no negotiations. Now, i am sorry for my past behavior, but I am just upset. We should both be in shame because both of our goals are to protect Peru, however if we go to war and by just having this conflict we are doing nothing but. So we split it at Pasco(We get Pasco), however because you have more troops you will get Lima, and because that goes a little into our half, we get Ucayali, which reaches slightly into your half. I feel this is fair. You get the capital city, we get the less-populated ones, Pasco and Below + Ucayali." Edited September 4, 2014 by Ferdinand Foch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynneth Posted September 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2014 "Very well, if it must be. Now, in theory, Ucayali could be split up, as well - it consists of the sub-divisions Padre Abad, Coronel Portillo, Atalaya and Purús. Could you agree to each of us administering half of it, Padre Abad and Coronel Portillo to us, Atalaya and Purús to you? This would make for smoother borders, at least." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Ilyich Posted September 4, 2014 Report Share Posted September 4, 2014 (edited) "Very well, if it must be. Now, in theory, Ucayali could be split up, as well - it consists of the sub-divisions Padre Abad, Coronel Portillo, Atalaya and Purús. Could you agree to each of us administering half of it, Padre Abad and Coronel Portillo to us, Atalaya and Purús to you? This would make for smoother borders, at least." "Sorry for the inconvienence, but no. It will be as we sayed. Just remember, Pasco, Ucayali, Junin, Madre de Dios, Arequipa, Ayacucho, Apurimac, Huancavelica, Ica, and Callao are Bolivias. Period. My final negotiation is that Tikal does not send forces to the regions of Chile and Paraguay as we have future plans, not all with annexing, but plans with those regions No thanks to your inconvienence, but it was good I settled this." Edited September 4, 2014 by Ferdinand Foch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynneth Posted September 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2014 "Our most sincere apologies, but as Protector of the Americas, Tikal considers in its right to reinforce any forces in any non-sovereign region throughout the Americas. This includes Chile and Paraguay, if we deem that necessary. However, as gesture of goodwill, we will remove all forces from Bolivian Peru, excepting the northern substates of Ucayali, namely Padre Abad and Coronel Portillo. "We're most curious what your plans for Chile and Paraguay are, however. Perhaps you could enlighten us?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Ilyich Posted September 4, 2014 Report Share Posted September 4, 2014 "Our most sincere apologies, but as Protector of the Americas, Tikal considers in its right to reinforce any forces in any non-sovereign region throughout the Americas. This includes Chile and Paraguay, if we deem that necessary. However, as gesture of goodwill, we will remove all forces from Bolivian Peru, excepting the northern substates of Ucayali, namely Padre Abad and Coronel Portillo. "We're most curious what your plans for Chile and Paraguay are, however. Perhaps you could enlighten us?" "No. I said no Ucayali states. Remove them now. Once you do that, this issue will be solved." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynneth Posted September 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2014 "You said no, but we say yes. It appears we may be at an impasse. Unless you agree to splitting Ucayali, of course." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Ilyich Posted September 4, 2014 Report Share Posted September 4, 2014 "You said no, but we say yes. It appears we may be at an impasse. Unless you agree to splitting Ucayali, of course." "You getting part of that province would split up the 50/50. It is either we get Ucayali and you get Lima, or we get Lima and you get Ucayali." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynneth Posted September 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2014 "We're not happy that we have to do this, but we would like to remind you that Tikal's forces vastly outnumber the number of troops you have in Peru. If we wanted to, we could just take the entire region, including what you already have annexed, and there would be little you could do against it. So, let's avoid war, no? Better for both our nations." ___________ By then, Tikalian forces had moved into Lima, Huánuco and northern Ucayali by largely ignoring the other provinces and stationing merely 2,000 men in each. This led to a total of 18,000 men being in the other 9 provinces, while the three named ones had 92,000 Tikalians stationed within them - 36,000 in Lima, 28,000 each in Huánuco and Ucayali. Each of these [i]corps[/i] had enough men and modern enough equipment to stop the entire Bolivian army, were it to come to blows, according to initial estimates by Tikalian generals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Ilyich Posted September 5, 2014 Report Share Posted September 5, 2014 "We're not happy that we have to do this, but we would like to remind you that Tikal's forces vastly outnumber the number of troops you have in Peru. If we wanted to, we could just take the entire region, including what you already have annexed, and there would be little you could do against it. So, let's avoid war, no? Better for both our nations." ___________ By then, Tikalian forces had moved into Lima, Huánuco and northern Ucayali by largely ignoring the other provinces and stationing merely 2,000 men in each. This led to a total of 18,000 men being in the other 9 provinces, while the three named ones had 92,000 Tikalians stationed within them - 36,000 in Lima, 28,000 each in Huánuco and Ucayali. Each of these corps had enough men and modern enough equipment to stop the entire Bolivian army, were it to come to blows, according to initial estimates by Tikalian generals. "Threatening me. Wow, i can send that into international court when we go. As long as you do not pass where Pasco's northern border meets with Ucayali, we will be fine. And by the way, if you touch any citizens in Peru, i will make sure your nation dies. Oh wait: I am already making sure. Do not touch Chile or Paraguay. I let that slide at first but now, it is a guaruntee. And if you say no because you are a "protector" or the Americas, well guess what: You are not. You are not because you break every rule you establish, and other nations worship you for it. Never talk to this nation again after this as i want my citizens to be protected." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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