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  5. Political Issues?

    in Open World RP

    Posted

    Good guys: Umbrella, International, VE, GOONS, TOP, TOOTR, MHA, MI6, Valhalla.

     

    Among alliances in that list, the best place for new players might be VE, GOONS, or MHA. VE is usually a player in the global scale and you'll get nation building, a nice community, and plenty of opportunities for war. GOONS has a great community and a great place to be if you want to try your hand at raiding other nations for spoils at an early age. MHA is themed around the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy and is a fun place to be for the community, less war oriented than the other two.

  11. Order off Order

    in Alliance Announcements (IC)

    Posted · Edited by JoshuaR

     

    I was not going to comment on this thread at all really, until I came across this post. I can assure you those of us who find these terms distasteful WILL absolutely wholeheartedly break this mantra even for alliances that enter only on defensive treaties. Not because we think its the right and proper thing to do, but because true retribution will demand it. Reps were once the way to end a war. It morphed to white peace, you lot have morphed it again. When those who say NPO should have gotten white peace, do something other than give white peace in the future, it will be one of the few times in this games history where it will NOT be hypocritical, it will simply be ... them being what YOU made them.

    Pacifica just tried to impose a month of extended war on an alliance that already fought the entirety of war in war mode and got crushed, only to see its would be minions refuse to face the remains of Umbrella's upper tier. For one, they're no innocents. For two, you can't pretend that white peace is not only the norm but the only acceptable end to a war when, for example, the alliance hit with terms in this war (based on PM for individual nations, and not even alliance wide) had just attempted to enact purely vindictive excess terms. Whereas even if you believe the front came up with these terms on Pacifica out of a desire to punish, objectively it is very clear that only thirty-one nations of 300+ are part of the terms, and they all saved billions in cash and thousands in tech/land to get it by hiding in PM the entirety of the war. Polar paid 125k tech two global wars ago. I'm sure they'd be happy to explain just how ridiculous it is to compare that to this.

     

    There's a difference between specific terms for specific situations and trying to preemptively justify yourself for excess vindictiveness whenever the next opportunity presents itself by pretending that these are horrible and a return to an earlier era that you were responsible for squashing. Nobody else is doing That anymore.

  16. Announcement From the War Front On TLR

    in Alliance Announcements (IC)

    Posted

    Can I just interject here. Again, sorry TLR for the thread derail. I don't recall who dragged us into this thread but meh, it's done. I don't have the time or inclination to pore over war stats, but I personally know that MWs Howlin Mad pretty much did the most damage to my nation, so well done to him.
    I and other members of NoR will always defend ourselves in battle or on the OWF, and sure, sometimes it can get a little heated. But take that more as a love of our own community than disdain for yours.
    We entered to support our ally NG, but obviously treaty webs make a nonsense of everything as regards wars and peace agreements. We accept that, and genuinely do not wish to cause grief to "our side". Neither do we care to get embroiled in a protracted and damaging guerrilla war with the polardoxic side. We don't really understand your plan, and frankly don't care. We are and never were the target, a primary target or anything like a crucial factor in the outcome of this war. The sad fact is that the way this panned out has allowed some old AAs with long ago grudges which we have moved on from to ride the coat-tails of others to victory and attempt to humiliate us for personal reasons. All we ask is a little leniency, we did our job and did it well. But we were also undeniably defeated politically, numerically and therefore militarily. As MoFA, I have to take the greater part of the blame for that. For the sake of my people and the NPO coalition, I humbly request that NoR is permitted to leave the war and admit its defeat to your coalition. Finish this war.

    Surrendering is not humiliating. It is normal in the course of war. Lose the battle and win the (figurative) war. Don't lose the (figurative) war because you refuse to lose a battle.

  17. Peace for Plan B

    in Alliance Announcements (IC)

    Posted

    Because unlike Pacifica holding FAN at war and attacking them for "breaking terms" that included intricate tank levels, soldier levels, improvement requirements, etc., the evil alliances fighting NoR require the word "surrender."

     

    I don't think anyone will pity an alliance that brings this upon themselves.

  18. Peace for Plan B

    in Alliance Announcements (IC)

    Posted

    That made no sense JoshuaR.  You are keeping NoR at war, not us.  We've made an offer that goes above and beyond some of the alliances on our side got.  They have offered to admit defeat and move on, but you continue to demand to have everything your way, even the little details like who posts the peace for crying out loud.  Not very gracious at all and because of that, and your ego, you will continue to be at a state of war longer than you had to be.

     

     

     

    We are both keeping NoR at war. And stop with the stupid argument that we need "everything our way" when I can say the same thing of you.

     

    You need everything your way, including little details like who posts the peace for crying out loud. Not very gracious at all, and because of that, and your ego, you will continue to be at a state of war longer than you need to be.

     

     

     

    As I take a look at Umb, TOP, etc on our front I see you also have pretty much all your tech sellers and other lower tier nations in PM.  So let me ask you this, do you want to keep all those in peace mode over simple words that really aren't all that important?  I don't think you realize that your sphere will continue to be at a state of war until our front peaces out while others can grow in peace.  I'm happy to see CnG and most of the Aftermath/US/ex-SF spheres continue to grow.  So lets not try to spin this as only a NoR problem.  We've fought this war for so long we really don't even know any other state.  This was your own doing. 

     

     
    As I look at NG and NoR, I see pretty much everyone in your alliance is in PM. So let me ask you this, do you want to keep all of those nations in peace mode over simple words that aren't really all that important? I don't think you realize that your sphere will continue to be in a state of war until our front peaces out, while others can grow in peace, and I can grow in peace and send cash to my tech sellers in advance while I wait you out, and for the most part we are much less affected than you being multiple alliances spread out over two. I'm happy to see CnG and most of the other spheres continue to grow. So let's not try to spin this as only an Umbrella/our front problem. We've fought this war for so long we really don't even care. This is your own doing.
     

     

    And if you had just offered coalition peace we wouldn't be having these issues.  I've said it before.  Coalition peace is best for both sides when done properly.  But instead of realizing that, you chose to just take the opposite opinion and now are paying the price for it with silly front-by-front peace dynamics that offer some alliances, who are more gracious in victory, the opportunity to move on faster than others like your sphere.

     

    I would imagine in that case that we would then see the entire coalition still at war because of these petty side issues.

     

    I've said it before. Surrendering with no other terms for NoR is best when done properly. But instead of realizing that, you choose to take the opposite opinion and are now paying the price for it with extended war, and your allies in Pacifica continue to pay the price for it, with silly arguments over semantics that offer some alliances, who are more gracious in defeat, the opportunity to move on faster unlike yourself.
     

    Steve, you pretend we are being ungracious in victory. Yes, ODN got a white peace deal. Yes CCC and Fark insert white peace into all of their peace agreements. No, everybody else on your side of the war surrendered, including those who also agreed to white peace with CCC and Fark. The truth of the matter is that all of these "lessor" alliances in your coalition, as NoR would say it, have been gracious in defeat and surrendered, while NoR has not.

     

    We are NOT going to change our desires over an alliance that specifically singled out alliances it fought against saying they would never surrender. They will surrender or they and anyone fighting for/with them will remain at war. That's it. That's final. There is no negotiating.

     

    When NoR is ready, if they are ever ready, they can find someone in our group and they can surrender. Until that time, feel free to continue crying about the new evil in the world where the evil puppet-masters in Umbrella and TOP now require the indignity that is surrendering at the end of a war. Maybe you'll sway some hearts into believing we are the worst thing since noWedge, but I am not swayed, and no one fighting NoR is swayed, and we are not going to budge on this especially now that it has become so public and NoR continues to publicly insult "lessor" alliances that it will not ever offer a surrender.

     

    Man up, be gracious in defeat, and maybe people will think better of you in the future.

     

    (Also, I apologize for the formatting of this post. I don't know how to break a "Reply" post into multiple blocks of quotes without screwing the formatting up.)

  21. Peace for Plan B

    in Alliance Announcements (IC)

    Posted

    On the NG/NoR front, I am not concerned with PM in the slightest. Virtually everyone there fought hard and got out after a bashing, often because they were then in our lower tiers and much more difficult logistically to cover. Kudos for getting there. I'm not going to hold anyone over being in PM or use it to paint skewed statistics one way or another. I'm not going to say that NoR was an afterthought, a great concern, not a concern, or whatever. They were another enemy, they got enough attention to rank among the top in damaged received, and that's more than good enough for me for any enemy.

     

    I will note, however, that until NoR surrenders, with PM they are imposing upon themselves an economic penalty that was largely decried by the opposing coalition as terrible, evil, a return to the hegemonic days of power-mad alliances with vindictive and soul-less leaders, etc. etc., and in fact a term that in the end wasn't even levied on Pacifica (even while they choose currently to impose this on themselves bravely waiting until the other fronts close).

     

    I would think surrender would be preferable.

  23. Peace in Our Time!

    in Alliance Announcements (IC)

    Posted

    I love how the oA coalition wanted front-by-front peace and now is backpedaling.  NpO/TOP/Umb have wanted nothing more this whole war but to punitively punish NPO and everything that's been done up to this point is to create more bad blood, not solve the problem and move on.  Is their really any question that it's the oA Coalition that is stalling peace once again.  You can't really say anything about NoR when the oA coalition is stalling peace on completely separate fronts.  They wanted front-by-front peace, not us.  This is the reason we pushed for coalition peace.  It's just a better way to do peace - no games.  Just common sense which I guess was lost on people more intent on squeezing every last ounce of blood out of an alliance.
     
    The reason we wanted coalition peace is to avoid all of this and have a nice clean cut off, not this ridiculous dog and pony show of disorganized governments doing who knows what, lol.  But if you are content to see IRON build up and grow even larger, then I guess more power to you.

    NPO agreed to peace and per my wording of the discussion stated in a self imposed "honorable" declaration that they'd wait til everyone else was out first before starting terms.

    Of course preening in a sense of their own self importance and not just dropping out to speed the peace process, they probably figured that people would be our right away given that everyone else had said their peace depended on NPO getting terms they could agree on. Little did they realize just Why everyone else in their coalition believed that NPO's terms were so horrible; why, it's because your side seems to believe even the word "surrender" is non grata. Now, at least, I understand why everyone over there was decrying the terms presented. You all have an entirely skewed sense of what is good and what is bad, and/or a skewed sense of entitlement.

    So, no. I have no feeling that Polar's coalition is stalling peace when almost all of you were offered these same deals before Christmas.

    Kudos to ODN for working out their peace agreement quickly.

  24. Announcement From the War Front On TLR

    in Alliance Announcements (IC)

    Posted

    Absolutely crushed.  If we were we would already have been forced to surrender.
     


    Oh I agree, if you don't believe you have lost then by all means it is our side's duty to prove it to you, and you should not surrender.

    However,
    If you believe you are better than your enemies and do not wish to surrender to lessors as one person indicated in this thread, consider what you are implying about friends and allies.

    If you feel that your damage output indicates victory, consider how it was spread minimally across the many people fighting you. Yes you will continue to inflict pain on your enemies, but that pain will feel like a bee sting to any individual while you continue getting hit over the head with a sledgehammer, if you aren't hiding under a rock wallowing in economic collapse.

    You were never a primary target in this war, so no one has any desire to continue observing the devastation this war has brought you. You were , however, an enemy at war , and our side's simple requirement is that you say you surrender, or else as you indicate in your own belief, how else would we be able to tell the outcome of this war ?

    As to the silly argument that asking for a word is silly and that we should be ashamed of ourselves for petty behavior, I too believe that it's silly and petty. However as long as we feel that we are the victorious party, and due to the fact that our pettiness is no greater than your own, that argument won't sway us.

    Kudos to TLR for agreeing to a separate peace.
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