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[quote name='KingEd' date='25 February 2010 - 12:12 PM' timestamp='1267100143' post='2202925']
Now I know you weren't there. I wont waste my time.
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I guess that depends what you mean by there. For instance, I was there to witness the leadership cowardly cancellation of the treaty with NPO before the Karma war, I was also there to protest this action along with the rest of the membership, I was there to put my nation on the line for MCXA and I was there to witness the leadership telling the membership to accept individual surrender terms. -
Never mind.
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I fail to see how this issue concerns you at all.
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[quote name='raasaa' date='25 February 2010 - 09:50 AM' timestamp='1267091619' post='2202874']
However you spin it, whoever you blame, the end result remains the same, you bailed out on your membership and took cover under TOP's bosom.
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Well, actually, I was part of the membership that got "bailed" on as you put it. Funny how I then do not view what happen as such. -
[quote name='KingEd' date='24 February 2010 - 10:42 PM' timestamp='1267051543' post='2202122']
Heh, good man. I wonder why your name doesn't sound familiar to me at all. I guess in the 8 months I served in government you were inactive ?
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I guess that's what happens when you care more about the [b]amount[/b] of nations rather than [b]what[/b] nations you have in the alliance. -
[quote name='raasaa' date='25 February 2010 - 08:31 AM' timestamp='1267086906' post='2202854']
If the founding members of TSO, had waited to appoint replacements, train them up and ensure that MCXA was in safe hands, prior to resigning from the alliance, then i doubt MCXA would have cared where they went. But what they did do, was bail out on their own membership.
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And that was exactly what was the original plan, and how it should have gone down. But because of the likes of Francesca, they never got the chance to do it the right way. -
[quote name='Raunchero' date='25 February 2010 - 04:57 AM' timestamp='1267074081' post='2202667']
It's been a year already? Man time sure does fly these days.
First of all, congratulations on your 1 year anniversary of existence. It is an accomplishment and something you should be proud of, regardless of how it came about and what happened in the past.
Secondly, seeing as it's been a year since TSO's survival, err birthday (
), it also means that it has been a year since MCXA had survived from its darkest and greatest period of uncertainty.
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And I'm sure both parties are much better of today because of it. -
[quote name='hizzy' date='25 February 2010 - 04:50 AM' timestamp='1267073641' post='2202652']
(ooc disclaimer: im keeping this IC with respect to "companies" because if you're trying to compare OOC companies with IC alliances then the analogy is even more retarded and just a general pain in the $@! to respond to)
Your analogy is fatally flawed because an alliance and a company do not operate under the same set of rules (unless that alliance is The Corporation). In an alliance, if you are in gov't and you do not think a certain member is an asset then you have every right to eject that member. Who's rules would you be breaking in doing that? Purge out whoever you don't want to keep or whoever you find detrimental to your alliance. You keep talking !@#$ about Fran and what she did in MCXA, but if she was such a bad member why didn't you boot her out? In the end, the government failed the alliance. You (or they, whatever) had a position of leadership and responsibility and you !@#$ the bed.
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Alliances as still governed by a set of laws that the government must follow. It might that you can boot whomever for whatever reason, but that does not mean every alliance works that way.
I am pretty sure that if they could, with the law in their hands, boot members for whatever reason, I doubt the problem would have existed at all.
So, since they couldn't boot the sources of the problem out, what would you have them do? Get counseling before getting a divorce?
Sometimes the sensible thing to do is to pick up and leave, because it's just not working out.
And you keep defending Fran, even though she spied on MCXA for a foreign enemy power. Pure treason.
And still you are oblivious the hypocrisy you are displaying here.
But let me ask you this, if the MCXA government had held elections, without running themselves, so that they've become regular members. Would they still be, in your mind, wrong for resigning from the alliance? -
[quote name='Centurius' date='24 February 2010 - 09:57 PM' timestamp='1267048881' post='2202057']
I'd make a new policy and enforce it by demanding the respect from my coworkers, the government of an Alliance can always change the course the alliance is going, I can understand a single government member leaving but not close to all.
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It's that easy? Really?
You should definitively go out to all the companies all over the world who deals with this problem daily and offer your services as a consultant. -
[quote name='KingEd' date='24 February 2010 - 09:47 PM' timestamp='1267048262' post='2202041']
I'll be blunt. Shut the hell up. I doubt you were in MCXA at the time and as such I doubt you would understand what the alliance went through after the TSO debacle. But sure, keep on accepting the lies TSO feeds you, so so childish, and innocent. An Idiot really. Think for yourself.
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Excuse me?
I was MCCF right up to the merger, and I was in MCXA right up to the MCXA exit from the Karma war.
Oh, you know the flag that MCXA uses to this day? It's based on the MCCF flag that I designed.
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[quote name='hizzy' date='24 February 2010 - 09:34 PM' timestamp='1267047474' post='2202021']
If I have you pegged correctly, you will just argue that the sky is blue and the earth rotates around the sun.
claiming you "know" that someone will say something that's already well-established does not make you a psychologist nor does it give your argument any credibility. The bottom line is that [i]most[/i] of the government left the alliance under the pretext that they don't like where the alliance is heading or some !@#$. If you can't realize how retarded that is, then there's really no hope for you to understand it regardless of the explanation. Even if it doesn't directly concern anyone else, it still speaks volumes about that entire group. I don't need someone to act like a jackass to me before I figure out he's a jackass; I can just as effectively judge him by how he treats others.
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If you are the CEO of a corporation. It's become to big and impersonal, and many of your coworkers rumor mongers, divisive and creates a really bad working environment. But there's not enough evidence to fire them and your hands are basically tied. You are pretty much fed up with your job. Wouldn't you look for a new place of work?
This happens all the time, all over the world. People are free to go where they want, and just because it's an alliance of nations, doesn't mean it's any different. -
[quote name='Electron Sponge' date='24 February 2010 - 06:13 PM' timestamp='1267035422' post='2201722']
Non sequiturs won't do anything to save you.
Yeah, uh, you do remember how TSO formed right? Ditching [i]their own alliance[/i] in a time of crisis because it would be too hard to actually do something to fix it? I know exactly what went down, I had eyes in some of the highest levels of MCXA government at the time. TSO was founded in treachery and exists today only because of the rampant cronyism of the late Hegemony period where a small group of people were more dedicated to their clique dominating the rest of us instead of improving their alliances/engaging with their membership.
I personally am a role model to be followed by all who read this. I am the Shining Light that guides you all to the glorious truth. TSO are nothing but running dogs for a failed clique of hegemonists.
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You seem to take what happened in MCXA as personal treachery. I for one have a problem seeing how this has anything to do with you at all.
The bottom line is that a group of people wasn't happy in the alliance they where in, and wanted out. Anyone, even government members have the right to resign from an alliance that isn't working out. There is very little you can do as government when an alliances community goes down the toilet because of members scheming, whining and divisive behavior. You yourself probably had some part to play in what happened because of your role in the Francesca debacle, which was a quite the source of divisive behavior. If it wasn't for her, there would probably be time for organizing the election of a new government and fazing out the old as was planned. But instead !@#$ hit the fan, and the old government was pretty much forced to get out.
But if I have you pegged correctly, you will probably just argue that there is some unwritten morale law that situates that government members can't resign from an alliance, and that doing so would constitute the highest form of treason. But as far as I know, there was nothing in the MCXA charter that says that government members can't resign, even in groups. -
[quote name='AirMe' date='24 February 2010 - 05:44 PM' timestamp='1267033679' post='2201661']
My statement there refers to the whole situation. So I ask you to read everything that had been stated before I made that statement and you will realize that the statement I am currently replying to in this post makes no sense and makes you come across as a fool.
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Then don't quote a specific post and afterwards claim it was a statement concerning the situation as a whole. Because that makes [b]you[/b] come across as a fool. -
Wow, you really have your issues, don't you.
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[quote name='AirMe' date='24 February 2010 - 04:32 PM' timestamp='1267029387' post='2201539']
You know what, here is the deal. You can all complain about bawwwwww C&G won't stop the war bawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww, however if you can't do the time don't commit the crime. TOP attacked thinking they had an advantage, you guys now realize you don't and you want to get out of it and you are trying your hardest to pin the blame on C&G. If you don't want a protracted war, don't attack the people that will fight until there is nothing left to fight with to defend their homeland.
Again Bob, I am going to accuse you of being intentionally obtuse.
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Read all the post related to the one you replied to, and you'll see that it has nothing to do with what you are talking about. So no, there's not the deal. -
I think it's time for a little time traveling.
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[quote name='neneko' date='24 February 2010 - 02:02 PM' timestamp='1267020376' post='2201390']
Let me think about it. Done. No.
Guess what? CnG have friends. Attacking cng make said friends want to hurt you. Enjoy.
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Of course. Don't you remember how you ended up in PC to begin with? It's all part of Archons divine plan.
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That was my whole point, defense isn't the issue anymore.
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If defense was the issue, then peace would be the best course, don't you think?
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[quote name='neneko' date='24 February 2010 - 12:38 PM' timestamp='1267015313' post='2201304']
The doors to negotiations haven't been opened. We have been told white peace or nothing. We didn't bite on option one.
You're probably right though in the end you will pay more than [b]some[/b] reps. Not to umbrella but at the very least to the people you aggressively attacked.
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http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=81101&view=findpost&p=2190173
Doesn't sound like white peace or nothing to me.
As I said, this isn't about your allies coming to your defense any more. -
[quote name='Banksy' date='24 February 2010 - 11:14 AM' timestamp='1267010273' post='2201246']
It takes two to Tango.
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This isn't a tango.
Our side have offered a universal white peace offer and opened the door for negotiations. C&G have shown no interest in reaching peace.
So there isn't much doubt about what C&G is using it's treaty partners to achieve.
And please, read all the post relevant posts before replying with another irrelevant one-liner cliché. -
If you want this to be over, the offer of peace is still open.
I guess problem is that C&G doesn't want this to be over, and they are using you to ensure it drags on. -
[quote name='Sir Keshav IV' date='24 February 2010 - 06:37 AM' timestamp='1266993662' post='2200891']
So Reps is wrong when you pre-empted us? I dislike reps a lot. But when we are pre-emptively with a !@#$ CB, Reps at least some reps need to be enforced. Why should we accept [b] your [/b] white peace at all?
Also good luck to TSO in their fight against Umbrella.
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If this was about [b]some[/b] reps, I'm sure you would have offered terms by now. But instead you are piling on you're treaty partners to attempt to either destroy our side, or get us to accept crippling reps.
All I'm saying is, let's not have any illusions of why you are activating treaties to this pile, when the option to end the war is open. -
[quote name='AAAAAAAAAAGGGG' date='24 February 2010 - 06:28 AM' timestamp='1266993096' post='2200837']
I personally hold nothing against TSO, other than the fact that they aggressively attacked MK, and as such, we are honoring our treaty and helping our friends. When they get peace with (or if, God I hope isn't if) our allies, Umbrella won't be seeking any form of reparations from them, which has been our policy throughout this war.
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Don't get me wrong, I don't mind you guys honoring treaties. But let's not have any illusions of why they asked for your help.
Bottom line, you are helping C&G to enforce reps.
I'll see you on the battle field. Have a good fight
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[quote name='Matthew Conrad' date='24 February 2010 - 06:22 AM' timestamp='1266992748' post='2200799']
I think he just got really excited when he read the post and forgot to actually read his AA
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The quote doesn't matter as much.
What matters is that C&G isn't accepting peace and isn't offering terms. They are only piling treaty partners on top of our side to use them as tools to either ensure our destruction or enforce crippling and humiliating reparations.
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It's the same gift we've received from the other guys too.
But not to worry, we love fireworks.