hymli

I'm glad I got to nuke you Auctor :)

Ocuposse

I joined planet Bob 6 years ago after the despicable acts perpetrated by Nordreich, which later became known as the "The_Norway_Incident". Now my master plan has come to fruition (all this other bickering really doesn't have anything to do with it), and you will burn for your horrible acts (just have to get out of anarchy first).

TOOTR? You could at least put an "S" in there, TSOOTR.

Thanks for all the fun ARES.

While waiting for a slot to hit ARES, I had to contend with a Polar nation, just to stave off boredom. There just isn't enough of you guys to go around.

What? BFF doesn't stand for Best Friends Forever?

[quote name='kerschbs' timestamp='1322743281' post='2858125'] TSO is entering this war, and I don't get to fight them?!?!?!?! You better watch out TSO, I'll be coming for you Seriously though, good luck friends, I hope you finally get the retribution you deserve. Tell Iggy, hymli, TMS and any of the other fools who might remember me I said hello. [/quote] How could I possibly forget

[quote name='Haflinger' date='28 February 2010 - 04:11 PM' timestamp='1267370109' post='2208308'] I think you misunderstand him. Translation: "The only thing I like about TSO is that they're currently getting smashed along with TOP." [/quote] No misunderstanding, we just don't care.

Sunny, your contributions to our small group has been extensive and will not be forgotten. I wish you the best of luck with your real life commitments, and I sincerely hope we'll cross paths again some day.

[quote name='Gopherbashi' date='27 February 2010 - 06:30 AM' timestamp='1267248860' post='2205924'] And the Gopher said "Let the alliance be split into two"... That would be incorrect. The decision to form that alliance was never under my control, and plans for its formation were already well in motion before I was made aware of them. The acceleration of a months-long transfer of government to one extending over a period of days was made around the same time, and I do not believe I was the chief reason why people wished to accelerate their departure. I should note, in factual defense of TSO, that a number of departing government officials - specifically in the Minister of Defense - did make efforts to train those who would be replacing them. My congratulations to TSO: I do not believe that many believed either of us to make it this far. Should anyone wish to discuss the events of this split (you know, instead of just circling each other on unicycles and bashing each other over the head with rubber mallets), I'll stick around on IRC for about an hour. [/quote] That statement was about the timing of the departure. Nobody is claiming you had anything to do with the decision to form TSO.

[quote name='MaGneT' date='26 February 2010 - 10:20 PM' timestamp='1267219469' post='2205326'] Whether we were lied to or not was a moot point. MCXA was hungry for the senate before and after that conflict. It was an unspoken agreement: a bunch of us had nukes spied away, and we had all been getting angry at NADC's presence on the blue senate. For the most part, we didn't care who had done it as long as it meant a senate seat. None of us were dumb enough to believe that NADC had the capacity to pull something like that off. But did we care? No. And neither did your leadership. Not once did they say "hey, let's take a second". [/quote] Of course it matters. The bottom line is that the whole of MCXA were unhappy with MCXA membership in BLEU. The vote was held, and MCXA wanted out, and this happened before Fresh did his last ditch attempt to get NpO ejected from BLEU. [quote] Even after the war, when Polar was the main threat to MCXA's senate seat, Fresh was going around whining to certain BLEU members about how he had over 100 votes less than Myworld. Do you really think that MCXA didn't know the real reasons behind that war? Do you really thing they weren't one of the driving forces behind it? [/quote] Fresh is still in MCXA. If you have a problem with him, go to him. Don't whine about him to us. [quote] I think our issue is more with the fact that we (being myself, raasaa, Sponge, and the rest of BLEU's leadership) paid the consequences for our actions. We learned our lesson. MCXA's leadership, however, jumped ship during NoCB, then avoided justice yet again during Karma. They're cowards. You can't dispute that. We all know the truth, and one day they'll get theirs too. [/quote] Right, so leaving BLUE [b]two months before[/b] the NoCB equals jumping ship [b]during[/b] the NoCB war in your mind? If so, you have a weird concept of time. The MCXA/TSO split also happened over two months before the Karma war. And that was because Gopher wanted it so. You got rolled, MCXA didn't, and you're bitter about it. Fine. But don't confuse your own bitterness with injustice.

[quote name='Haflinger' date='26 February 2010 - 02:16 PM' timestamp='1267190385' post='2204848'] No, not really. [/quote] Oh, then I'm truly sorry. I was under the impression there where some spying going on before the Karma war. My mistake. [quote] There aren't a lot of alliances who've ever spied on CDT. [/quote] How do you know? But seriously, I don't know of the alleged spying incident you are talking about. So I'm not going to discuss any specifics concerning it.

[quote name='raasaa' date='26 February 2010 - 09:14 AM' timestamp='1267175850' post='2204744'] MCXA ... TSO ... betrayal *screech* ... MCXA ... TSO ... betrayal *screech* MCXA ... TSO ... betrayal *screech* MCXA ... TSO ... betrayal *screech* [/quote] Everything you just said has been rebutted or answered over and over again. So instead of dancing this round one more time with you, I'm just going to refer you to the earlier rebuttals and answers in this very thread. Feel free to come back if you come up with something that is new, and preferably correct information about this case.

That's not gonna happen, magicninja.

[quote name='Penlugue Solaris' date='26 February 2010 - 07:24 AM' timestamp='1267169307' post='2204646'] So basically, you are ignoring the fact that I replied to all of your post, but because I only quoted part of it I am evil. Your excuses of them lying to you are great, now its funny that it happened to occur as NPO was looking for a new power on blue and to bring more people into OneVision - oh, MCXA signed Agora and OV soon after this betrayal of a MADP partner, didn't you? [/quote] As I said before, if you have an issue with NPO, take it up with them. Look, leaving a bloc doesn't make it a betrayal just because you keep repeating the word betrayal. But if you just have to keep insisting on it, take it up with MCXA. Nothing is going to stop this broken record from playing, is there?

[quote name='MaGneT' date='26 February 2010 - 07:18 AM' timestamp='1267168920' post='2204642'] Sorry for venturing back here, but it's just too tempting. MCXA's leadership (and now TSO's) ran a campaign within BLEU to try to undermine NpO. In my opinion, this was under NPO's direction. Why? They wanted to remove Polar and Sponge without having to fight a global war. They also wanted to take an entire color bloc under their sphere of influence. This is common knowledge. Wake up. [/quote] So this is really an issue with NPO? It might be that NPO where running a campaign against NpO. But for MCXA part it was a simple case NpO not being a trustworthy ally. Funny how every issue people have with TSO seem to stem from other alliances actions. Edit: corrected NPO to NpO.

[quote name='raasaa' date='26 February 2010 - 06:55 AM' timestamp='1267167537' post='2204616'] I understand that gullible minds simply cannot comprehend the manner in which the exit was carried out. We have no issues with MCXA leaving BLEU, their alliance, their choice, their decision whether or not to remain in the bloc. [/quote] Good, then we have established the MCXA leaving BLEU is a none issue. [quote] But we do have an issue that MCXA tried to spread false rumors regarding another member of the same bloc, trying to get them ejected from BLEU and isolate them on the treaty web. Again, the majority of the voters, which comprised of the active members of MCXA, are now in TSO P.S : a few more announcements from TSO should help my post count on these forums [/quote] And suddenly we are back to the vote and MCXA leaving BLEU. Would you please make up your mind. Which false rumors where these? Because of NpO's lies surrounding the BLEU-NADC war, it was an issue of either NpO goes or MCXA goes. The rest of BLEU chose NpO and MCXA went. If anything, BLEU got rolled because they trusted NpO, and that part of the history keeps repeating itself to this very day.

[quote name='Penlugue Solaris' date='26 February 2010 - 06:51 AM' timestamp='1267167279' post='2204612'] Abandoning your allies for an easy deal and then trying to rationalize it to everyone with this "WE WERE LIED TO!!!!!!!!!!" is funny. [/quote] Why don't you quote the whole thing you are replying to, instead of one little part that makes it easy for you to reply with such unintelligible crap. Whatever you try to spin this into, you'll end up with one simple fact. If you lie to your friend, you'll wont have this friend for long.

[quote name='Haflinger' date='25 February 2010 - 11:58 PM' timestamp='1267142528' post='2203918'] How about spying on CDT members? [/quote] Spying? If that is the issue, it would make a hell of a lot of alliances criminals, wouldn't it. Are you going to keep the same level of enmity towards all those alliances as well?

[quote name='MaGneT' date='25 February 2010 - 09:34 PM' timestamp='1267133850' post='2203544'] The same war the MCXA supported wholeheartedly if it meant getting Dr. Fresh a guaranteed senate seat every cycle, of course. Please don't act like dear old Sammy, Ololiqui and Co. were innocent while Assington, Sponge, Myworld and the rest of BLEU's leadership plotted against their will. MCXA's government was just as complicit in that mistake. [/quote] Support given on false pretenses. When lies are given as justification for war the people being lied to have a tendency get unhappy and might not want to be friends any more. [quote] And MCXA's mind was already made up when Pacifica told their lapdogs their plan for NpO. You all know full well that BLEU was very much open to change, in fact, we had an entire thread on our forums where we saw the error of our ways and were working towards cleaning up our rep. MCXA was informed of this. MCXA did not care. MCXA stabbed their allies in the back, no matter how you cut it. And MCXA, at that time, was led by the cowards who call themselves "TSO". [/quote] I understand that simple minds have problems distinguishing between an alliance and an alliances leadership. But I'm going to try and explain this one more time. Leaving BLEU was an alliance wide decision. A vote was held, and the majority voted to leave. If you have an issue with somebody, it's with the alliance MCXA. That said, the alliance did nothing wrong when they cancelled on BLEU, and the events following has proven that it was a good decision. Right up to the bi-polar events of this war.

[quote name='KingEd' date='25 February 2010 - 08:48 PM' timestamp='1267131093' post='2203433'] Leadership telling members to what ? I doubt that ever happened and if it did, it sure as hell wasn't me. The NPO cancellations, sure pin in on that. No one ever mentions they failed to inform us that they were launching attacks while in peace-talks, and Moo's internet dropping every 10s didn't help the situation. [/quote] Oh it happened. But I'm not looking to pin anything anywhere, other that to establish that I was, as you say, there.

[quote name='Centurius' date='25 February 2010 - 07:07 PM' timestamp='1267125079' post='2203302'] There is a reason it took a long time to forgive MCXA for most of us, calling it betrayal is the truth as a DoW just happened to follow under 2 months later. [/quote] if you have forgiven MCXA for this, why do you bring it up? And since you obviously agree that this is/was an issue with the alliance MCXA, why do use it as an example of crimes committed by the alliance TSO? During those two month, NpO/BLEU managed to do enough to establish themselves as enemies, and as a threat to the MCXA, that there was no longer any doubt as to what side MCXA had to back in that conflict.

[quote name='Centurius' date='25 February 2010 - 03:00 PM' timestamp='1267110232' post='2203028'] Hmm where shall we start, oh yeah betraying BLEU. [/quote] If I remember correctly, there was a alliance wide vote one the matter of leaving BLEU. And the majority (me included) voted to leave because of NpO's actions surrounding the BLEU-NADC War. Calling it a betrayal is just propaganda.

[quote name='Haflinger' date='25 February 2010 - 02:31 PM' timestamp='1267108496' post='2202997'] Yeah, and ironically that's not even the worst thing they did. The list of sins is extensive. [/quote] Strange that people like you keep saying that. But never mentions anything other that the MCXA/TSO split. Maybe you could whine about some of the other sins on that extensive list for a change.