Masterof9puppets

[img]http://cloud.ikilledtheinter.net/M7Oz/Screen%20Shot%202013-01-11%20at%202.14.13%20PM.png[/img] My warchest isn't changing too quickly on a daily basis guys

[quote name='Cao Pai' timestamp='1357852669' post='3074081'] Nah, just one of his rogue targets trying to make the fight last longer. [/quote] Even as a joke, that doesn't make much sense.

[quote name='ChairmanHal' timestamp='1357756196' post='3073260'] Likely the result of some pretty major lulz or a clerical error. It seems to have changed little. [/quote] I dunno, infra at this level is pretty pricey and my warchest is pretty meek.

I have no idea how this topic became anything that it became, can't we all just go rogue? Also, t-8.

[quote name='IYIyTh' timestamp='1357197934' post='3070877'] Thanks for completely dodging and agreeing almost entirely with me, your only minor semantic-based problem with my analysis is one you could refute with your battle reports (But won't.) [/quote] Feel free to let me know what I dodged. My "minor semantic-based problem" was also my original post in this entire argument, save the lol'ing at AI breaking their stagger. No one was arguing with you on the benefits of not having the slots filled with my rogue-receiving alliance. I really hope you don't consider yourself a pinnacle of intelligence on this, the benefits to me having my slots filled are entirely obvious. A majority of my time playing this game were as a MoW, so yes, I understand the reasoning of why AI was upset that they were filled. I [i]want[/i] you to be upset, I'm [i]rouging[/i] you. It's truly unfortunate that you will be far too small for my range for the rest of my existence here.

[quote name='IYIyTh' timestamp='1357189160' post='3070811'] I'm not picking and choosing anything. I laid before you the patently obvious advantages of a rogue having their friends/soliciting others help in helping their nuke rogue efforts. You decide to challenge one each time, and when I reinforce why you're dead-wrong, you counter with tautology. So let's try this again: You have the chance to slip into peace mode and re-buy all nukes before entering out again on your chosen targets, which otherwise would not be possible if a stagger was to be had. You also have the benefit of not receiving larger amounts of damage from coordinated assault, naval assault, and potentially larger tech-nuked opponents. Claiming that this is not beneficial to your desire to cause damage is an insult to everyone's intelligence and fools no one. [/quote] Lets be real here, you're arguing against a rogue that is attacking your alliance. Was. Will be. Obviously, I wish for the worst outcome to the alliance that I am rouging against.There has not been any claim that the counters against me were not beneficial to my desires- if they were not going to be beneficial to my desires then the slots would have been left open to AI. This all stems from my original claim that the counters against me output more non-nuclear damage than AI. This is not debatable without going into the actual battle reports- which I am not going to do, because I don't care to. I don't have to insult your intelligence, Myth, you seem to have a pretty swell grasp on handling that yourself.

[quote name='IYIyTh' timestamp='1357183426' post='3070772'] Yes. Your nukes would have been depleted far more quickly and your friends would not have been able to allow you to escape into peace mode to re-buy nukes. Absolutely I would have preferred that. But then again you're just being intentionally dense. I don't know why, considering this is supposed to be one of those "last hurrah," sort of things. [/quote] I realize that you're one of those "pick and choose" type of guys wrt arguments, but in case you missed it, I clarified within the parentheses that I was conserving my nukes for the 3 nations that I declared on regardless of who declared on me (roguery 101, as flak put it). If anything, your mates would have just had a spout of ga's, cm's, and ac's thrown at them. Better being intentionally dense than unintentionally a moron.

[quote name='Aeros' timestamp='1357073231' post='3070223'] So you are good at running the odds? Honestly, saying that folks suck at attacking because they lose GA's is like saying they suck at monopoly because they don't throw the dice right. Now, if the argument was they suck at attacking because they don't coordinate, shoot off the wrong nukes and do terrible spy attacks like targeting Infra, then you could be on to something. Judging by your current infra levels compared to your opponents though, I don't think any of that is an issue. [/quote] No, it was not the odds. You could have probably figured that out yourself with my anecdote of Laz trying to spy away a nuke when I had none. Also, I didn't even say that anyone was bad at war. I just states that my three defensive slots were outputting more damage against me than my three offensive slots.

[quote name='IYIyTh' timestamp='1357068157' post='3070190'] Which of the two non allied members attacking have you nuked? [/quote] I nuked none of the 3 non-ai nations attacking me. Had they been AI, they would have received nukes, maybe (probably not though, I was mostly intent on conserving my nukes for people that I hit, topgun's SDI was good enough as it was). Would you rather six AI nations be nuked, Myth, or 3? Blah blah incoming argument about then my nukes would have been depleted quicker, damage spread, etc etc, don't care.

[quote name='IYIyTh' timestamp='1356930190' post='3069698'] It was either that or wait for your friends to take the slot anyway, lobbing (maybe?) one cm a day. It's almost like we meant to do it. [/quote] [quote name='ChairmanHal' timestamp='1357012434' post='3070062'] Not too sure about that, but your friends have been for the most part extremely cooperative and respectful. A pleasure to coordinate and work with really. I've personally not had any issue with them taking tech, land, and cash from you so long as they took down your infra with it. As you are nearing 1k infra (and the loss of about 100k NS in a single round of combat), I'm going to say, mission accomplished to this point. [/quote] Y'hear that, Myth? Mission accomplished all around. Edit: The 3 of them were doing equal or greater damage consistently than you three- because you have to consider, Lazarus lost almost every single non-cm attack against me. Including the one time he tried to spy away my nukes, when they were already all gone.

Who gifted me a 25 dollar donation and for what purpose? Happy new years I guess!

[quote name='Dochartaigh' timestamp='1356989381' post='3069935'] How cute. You talk of someone else having balls, and in CN, that tends to be shown through casualty count. Yours is rather small. I did not talk about your nation growth or NS. You have been on Planet Bob for 2059 days. That is over 5.5 years. Fairly certain a nation that old could very easily have far more casualties than what you have. I mean, I am almost half your size and have around 2.5 times more casualties than you. I mean,my lowest casualty ranking is more than your total. But please continue acting as if nation growth has anything to do with having balls or declaring war on someone. [/quote] Ooh snap, the casualty card of irrelevant statistics! Yours is rather small. And that's coming from someone who's nation is younger than yours, (still!) has more ns than yours, and has 2 times more casualties than you. I mean, my lowest casualty ranking is equivalent to your total! But please continue acting as if casualties have anything to do with having balls.

[quote name='IYIyTh' timestamp='1356930190' post='3069698'] It was either that or wait for your friends to take the slot anyway, lobbing (maybe?) one cm a day. It's almost like we meant to do it. [/quote] What you don't realize with this post is that my friends that are attacking me are, minus the nuke, doing more damage that AI.

Hahaha AI broke their own stagger on this one

Ai yai yai, what has this thread dissolved into? Cant we all just nuke in peace? To both sides: cut the talk if you're not going to back it up.

[quote name='chefjoe' timestamp='1356818741' post='3069218'] Also Alterego isnt .gov nor does he have any interest to be and is entitled to his own opinions just as much as you are, but he doesnt set policy for AI by any means......we .gov do, of which he has never been a part of [/quote] Very intelligent choice (not sarcasm). Alterego in gov would be very problematic.

[quote name='SpiderJerusalem' timestamp='1356804324' post='3069143'] I believe you. I still wonder if you can make sure that no MK members attack him in the next round of wars however. Yes or no? [/quote] Say no, say no!

[quote name='Sigrun Vapneir' timestamp='1356745303' post='3068954'] Hurry up and accept peace from one of your 'raider' friends. I am just about exactly half your NS and I will be happy to declare as soon as you are in range. [/quote] Now why would I go and do such a thing? [quote name='ChairmanHal' timestamp='1356749864' post='3068966'] So Bud, do you think that Umbrella has those 'Gather Intelligence' reports they are getting back from their suicide bomber put into a Google spreadsheet doc or posted in paste bin? They seem old school enough to go paste bin, but you never know. I just hope they spell my name right. I hate it when they get it wrong. [/quote] No, PM of course. They can go up on paste bin, however, if you'd like [quote name='ChairmanHal' timestamp='1356752914' post='3068988'] So you allow apps to raid (I say that because he is on your app AA)...interesting and outside the norm for just about every alliance I've ever encountered. It's be nice if you could teach him some basic coordnation skills. In my raiding days coordination on a raid target with those already engaged wasn't just a sign of respect, it was simple common courtesy. [/quote] This implies that he has respect for AI and owes or wants to give any common courtesy, which is a faulty line of thought. [quote name='Helbrecht' timestamp='1356758122' post='3069025'] Thats some good stuff. Have fun on your way out. [/quote] Thanks! I am.

[quote name='vandelsand' timestamp='1356707138' post='3068797'] Whatever. Come down to my level quicker so I can hurl some nukes at you! BTW You lost more NS than my whole nation in the past few days, impressive! [/quote] And I'll regain back twice your NS without even a blink at the insignificant amount of money being spent on it. Even at ZI I'll be nearly three times your size, so I wouldn't count on being able to play. [quote name='Alterego' timestamp='1356708156' post='3068801'] [center]The word sure is a changed place. A few months ago DH had big balls fighting a much smaller opposition. Now the balls are gone and they can only muster a single fighting nation who says he is leaving anyway. Even that one nation had to be protected by filling his slots. [img]http://www.smiley-lol.com/smiley/drague/gay/gayviolet.gif[/img][/center] [/quote] Your posts...they just get worse and worse.

MK, DT, & FOK all condoned indirect action against AI, and DH knew about the entire thing beforehand. Your move, AI + Coalition.

[quote name='White Chocolate' timestamp='1356660443' post='3068671'] [color=#282828][font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]My point is, being so well timed, they at least appear to be coordinated. I've certainly seen alliances try to coordinate who respond less effectively and I haven't seen many nations being raided have all their slots filled so fast. Add to that the fact that you're still technically holding an alliance AA, I'm just surprised that you'd be raided so fast. [/font][/color] Maybe it's just that there are so few targets at your level for raiders. However, it's still rude on the part of those raiding considering they are taking AI's slots. Not something I've witnessed experienced raiders do before. [/quote] It's because I posted this topic, kind of takes away the whole "search for a target" thing. You must not have been around much during Kronos' time, stealing rogue slots was kind of our thing

[quote name='White Chocolate' timestamp='1356653938' post='3068635'] One raid at 12:37 pm, one at 1:05 pm and the third at 1:28pm, all on the same day of your declaration. You must have some excellent tech. [/quote] You make no point at all with your comment about the times of declaration, but yes, my technology is top notch, real supreme. [quote name='Buds The Man' timestamp='1356647179' post='3068589'] YOU LIKED ME YAY Thats why I said two out of the three as Vespa and Auniur are both former Kronos. o/ Kronos [/quote] o/ Kronos 4eva I don't think Anny was ever Kronos either, maybe though.

[quote name='SpiderJerusalem' timestamp='1356626904' post='3068497'] The counters is an issue. As puppets won't nuke them, we don't get to spread the nukes on more nations, and we won't get a proper stagger either. I am wondering why MK condoned this, as they surely knew that we would want to stagger them by ourselves. Care to answer that? On a different note: Have fun puppets. I remember you from back in the day. I am certain that you will have as much fun as the Ai nations you're fighting [/quote] They aren't counters, they're raids. [quote name='Buds The Man' timestamp='1356625964' post='3068494'] 2 out of three are ex kronos [/quote] Just one, I don't think Timmehh was ever in Kronos. [quote name='Buds The Man' timestamp='1356619845' post='3068469'] Agreed hoping he comes my way as well .\ sorry I didnt make your list Puppets maybe ill catch you next round. Good luck out IRL. [/quote] Well I didn't want to hit people that I liked :>

[quote name='Indian Bob' timestamp='1356537682' post='3068074'] So just to clarify, you're leaving but will continue to be around on IRC and forums? Collecting taxes every 20 days was too difficult on the off chance that your nation might be of some use to your friends who clearly still have a passing interest in the game? Not that it matters to me, one less Umbrella nation is a good thing as far as I can tell but your reasoning seems marginal at best. Anyway, have fun and I hope you get what you want out of it. [/quote] I am on winter break right now, so I have the time to do my roguery/irc/forums. When I get back to campus, that free time disappears faster than a fat lady's bag of cheetos. My plan had been hopeful that the GWXXX was going to happen over this break, and I'd quit after that instead of a roguery. The god's did not agree with me, so I said "$%&@ you", and brought it around myself.

[quote name='Johnny Apocalypse' timestamp='1356493733' post='3067991'] Alterego 2013. Lets make it happen [/quote] o/ alterego \o you got my vote, champ