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  1. FOK Declaration of War

    in Alliance Announcements (IC)

    Posted · Edited by Jan Doedel

    [quote name='LiquidMercury' date='23 February 2010 - 02:10 PM' timestamp='1266955833' post='2199424']
    I'm sorry to see this happen. Now I'm even up in the air about whether a paperless route is the route to go. I thought friendships could exist even without, and maybe this is notice that we have no friendship amongst us, I do not know honestly. I for one would of protested any declaration of TOP hitting FOK in any arena and will continue to do my best to see both parties regain our friendship? I'm just kind of speechless on this one. To me this is the same as Umbrella, Argent, or Gremlins hitting us. Something I never, thought possible. I suppose I'm naive though.
    [/quote]
    It is amazing how short a memory some people have (and like to twist facts and intentions), and how easy it is to say "But we don't have a treaty woth them". I think FOK made the wrong decision this time (after [i]quite [/i]a bit of discussion).
    [quote]That being said, I wish FOK the best of luck and I suppose I'm still sacrificing my pixels for people I hold in the highest regard, even if they are being sacrificed towards those people. Again words escape me, and I must say the only thing appropriate here is, I'm sorry. Both as a TOP member that has allowed our friendship to degrade to this point, and as the person who proposed a pre-emp attack on your treaty partners. I truly am sorry that you are in the position you are in, due in large part to my own actions.[/quote]
    I think TOP's attack was a wrong choice. I think FOK's attack is the wrong choice. We still seem to have a lot in common.

    Good luck to both sides.

    Regards, Jan Doedel.

    Edit:
    [quote]Can someone from TOP address this? More specifically the aiding their wartime combatants part. Since apparently its been ignored by everyone but Saber who decided to ignore it and just make an entirely unrelated comment.[/quote]
    I've counted about 20 aid packets the last week. While I can understand that the opposite side is short on cash and TOP is one of the few places to get it, it did hit a sore spot with a few of us.

  2. The Orange Review

    in Open World RP

    Posted

    [quote name='The AUT' date='18 February 2010 - 11:47 PM' timestamp='1266558479' post='2191622']In fact, it is the second most popular fruit in the world second only to the apple.[/quote]
    That's like comparing apples to oranges.

    Regards, Jan Doedel.

  3. SLCB Harboring Rogues?

    in Alliance Announcements (IC)

    Posted · Edited by Jan Doedel

    I refer you to the words of Mark Twain, who said "Never ascribe to malice that which can adequately be explained by incompetence." In other words, I'm not a scoundrel – just an idiot!

    I have to say that, after reading this thread, you do seem to be one of the more skilled diplomats in Invicta.

    Regards, Jan Doedel.

  4. Avalon Lodges a Formal Complaint

    in Alliance Announcements (IC)

    Posted

    Is that a complaint?

    No, it's a question.

    You were reaching in your claim that I was implying that Purple nations can not read. You know, I'm starting to think you're not trying to spin this stuff, you just have a hard time comprehending and really believe what you're saying. Amazing. Humans are so intriguing.

    Please point to where I said that Purple nations can't read? Exactly, you can't. I pointed out that there apparently were Purple nations that could not read (or were a moron, or even both), or else this would not be an issue. It looks that you're the one that's in the category 'cannot read, and may or may not be Purple'.

    More like an invitation for war.

    We'll see if this turns into a war. But it didn't start with war, or anything that comes close.

    Apparently they don't have time to mass message for recruitment, either that or they're just not very good at it. Considering how small the Stickmen alliances are.

    Or maybe they go for quality. If the other Purple alliances that have an issue with mass messaging would do that, they would not need to have an issue with mass messaging.

    You've shown proof that most nations receive political messages from foreign alliances? Where? Oh, by your own personal testimony and experience? Which, even then you didn't provide screenshots so we are purely taking your word for it. That's hardly proof. Also, my proof is there, it's in your inbox. Or rather, it isn't in your inbox.

    VETrade.jpg

    AquaTrade.jpg

    There you go. Now prove how I don't get these? Oh, I see. You can't.

    You never claimed to receive more messages later you do? That doesn't make sense. Anyway, you know damn well people aren't receiving messages like these all the time.

    2 this week, more last week, I'm sure I'm going to get some more next week. If I'm getting them, other people are also getting them (or I'm unique, whaich I don't claim I am).

    You said, " It's not too hard to ignore one more message. ", implying that if it were hard work to ignore a message, it would be more serious. Apparently amount of work does have something to do with something since you fit it in there. Following your line of logic, if you can call it that, I pointed out it would take even less work to simply not send those messages to begin with. Follow?

    Then you can ask the nice people at Stickmen to not do so. But since they have done so, it would be easier for the Purple nations involved to ignore the message, if they are capable of the fact. Follow>

    Oh yeah, I forgot people always say exactly what they mean.

    Ah, so I can wildly assume that you would have said something, and then accusing you of such? How juvinile.

    It was wrong of me to assume you followed the 'survival of the fittest' philosophy. Which would mean death to weak alliances, and they deserve it, because they're weak.

    I follow the 'rtfm' philospohy. I recommend it.

    Seriously, I did go overboard a bit there. However, it's not far from your line of thinking.

    Actually, it is.

    Regards, Jan Doedel.

  5. Avalon Lodges a Formal Complaint

    in Alliance Announcements (IC)

    Posted

    your typos are threatening the legibility of your writing.

    Can't find anything else to complain about?

    And no, I did not in any way imply that. You're really reaching for that one. I see you're implying that the Purple nations message could check the nation the message sender was from, but as I said, there are new nations who may make the mistake, and even a veteran nation may be fooled and once they vote for that cycle, they can't take it back.

    Not reaching at all. If they read the message and then vote for the person they don't want to vote for, they're morons. If they don't read the message and still vote for the person they don't want to vote for, they're morons or they can't read (or both).

    I like how you try to make it out to be Purple's fault for not preparing for this type of warfare and not Stickmen's for sending the messages.

    I like it how you try to make this incident a war, and not an invitation to vote for a senator. I also like it how you try to to blame Stickmen for the fact that apparently a lot of people can't or don't read a message before doing exactly as they're asked by someone they don't know, who isn't even in their own alliance. I'm very thankful I'm on Orange.

    Either that, or like I said they're lazy/disorganized.

    I'm sure that there are some lazy people in Stickmen, but apparently they have a lot of active people as you can see by the many message they have sent. Also, read herring.

    ... Riiight. I'm not going to argue against this, because the fact that people aren't receiving political messages from other alliances speaks louder than words.

    Of course you're not going to argue against this, since you have shown no proof and I have. Therefore, you have no choice but to concede.

    You can't trick people into thinking they get more messages like these than they actually do..

    I've never claimed I received more messages then I do, but if I did I probably could trick someone into thinking that, if I wanted to. Yeah, people are stupid.

    My point exactly.

    It's even less hard to not send those messages to begin with.

    The amount of work was not up for debate, as far as I know.

    Then you either have very valuable resources, or are one of the luckiest nations on Planet Bob.

    I have Lumber/water. I'm sorry you're feeling neglected, and if I ever need iron and uranium, I'll be sure to send you an offer.

    Okay, well you go make the case that a Senate Seat is just as important as everyone having trades. In the meantime, the status quo is to not sanction unless absolutely necessary because of the importance of trades.

    Exactly. Both are strategically valuable.

    That's right, death to weak alliances! Let's hear it everyone! Death! Death! Death!

    Yeah, my words exactly. Oh, wait...

    Regards, Jan Doedel.

  6. Avalon Lodges a Formal Complaint

    in Alliance Announcements (IC)

    Posted

    And so does mine.

    No.

    Only mine is better

    Again, no.

    , because Purple Alliances aren't causing any problems for anyone else by not keeping it's members constantly informed on the entirety of their government.

    Apparently they do, ot this thread woun't be there. Also, I love how you imply that a relevant number of Purple nations cannot read.

    Also, until now alliances mass messaging other alliances was almost unheard of, except in guerrilla warfare.

    You should check your messages once in a while.

    So why would they worry about it so?

    They don't have to, but apparently they do. It's not too hard to ignore one more message.

    Then you must be in the process of finding a trade circle.

    Nope, I already got one, but people assume I'm looking for one, apparently.

    Trades are so essential, it's a whole different story.

    That is a very arbitrary judgment, and one I obviously don't support.

    Yeah... any alliance that recruits is gonna have new members. Go figure.

    And if an alliance can't be arsed to send new members a welcome package and lead them to their forum, that alliance get what it deserves. In this case, it's Michiel de Ruyter as Senator.

    Regards, Jan Doedel.

  7. Avalon Lodges a Formal Complaint

    in Alliance Announcements (IC)

    Posted

    I guess Stickmen were too lazy and disorganized to either contact these alliances first, or put who they were in their message.

    My point still stands.

    I've been here for over 3 years, you do not receive THAT many messages outside your alliance and they certainly are not political as this is. Obviously you can message a friend just to talk, or message someone about trades, tech, we all know the acceptable things.

    I've been asked to change colors at least 6 times in the last 2 weeks, while I'm in an Orange alliance. Sounds just as political to me.

    How are they supposed to learn being ignorant with no common sense?

    Exactly my point.

    Also, I like how that's the type of voter you hope to attract. The young, new nations who may not know better.

    If that's the kind of nations that Invicta has, then sure. A vote is a vote.

    Yeah, you could claim that, except you're wrong because I'm right.

    Yeah...

    Regards, Jan Doedel.

  8. Avalon Lodges a Formal Complaint

    in Alliance Announcements (IC)

    Posted

    They were misleading by not identifying themselves. The messages could easily be mistaken as government messages. I can see where Invicta considers it impersonating government.

    It seems that Invicta believes that their members don't know who their government is. Or that their members, if they don't recognize the sender (who, by the way, didn't claim to be from Invicta, or any alliance) were too lazy to click on the name to take a look at the sender's nation. Are Invicat's members not quality members with some common sense?

    They did so without the consent of the alliances.

    I get messages every day without my consent, or that of my alliance.

    Even if a government takes steps to organize their votes, such as mass msging their own members, it's still frustrating to have someone possibly disrupt that unity and work.

    People can't read? And apparantly a government members cannot be bothered to put their alliance's name in a message?

    You could say the same thing about someone mass msging an alliance with 'advice' to keep no warchest at all. It's just harmless, friendly advice right? No threats, no extortion, no demands, just polite, friendly advice.

    All readers with common sense would disregard said message. All readers without common sense should learn that ignorance is no excuse.

    Also, one could argue just about anything. Do not underestimate the ability for a human to rationalize anything to fit his preference.

    Like you're doing right now.

    Regards, Jan Doedel.

  12. Avalon Lodges a Formal Complaint

    in Alliance Announcements (IC)

    Posted

    Therefore we do not see it as unseemly to endorse involvement at this time, given that we are not actively involving ourselves this round, only redressing an injustice.

    It seems to me that the OP implicitly warns Purple nations not to vote for Michiel de Ruyter, which sounds rather active to mo.

    Given that those who committed no offense to us (PEACE) understand our neutrality and accept our deviation this one time, we do not see it as rude or unseemly behavior.

    Except for the fact that you're not being neutral, maybe.

    The apparent disconnect here is that Avalon policy revolves around specific code of honour and a desire to be polite.

    To me, making yourself look 'neutral' while clearly you are not doesn't look very honourable to me.

    Regards, Jan Doedel.

  14. Avalon Lodges a Formal Complaint

    in Alliance Announcements (IC)

    Posted

    This mass spamming of another sovereign entity is not in keeping with the standards of civilized conduct on Planet Bob.

    Could have fooled me, I get unsolicited trade circle messages every day, from about every alliance out there.

    Such tactics are the tools of underground guerrilla campaigns and the like, not for use by upstanding formal alliances of honour.

    It seems that there are very few upstanding formal alliances out there, including Avalon, since they decided to spam this forum.

    Avalon has long held a policy of political neutrality in regards to the matters of Purple Senate.

    By launching a campaign against a Purple Senator, it seems that Avalon's long held position of neutrality in regards to the matter of the Purple Senate just came to a screeching end.

    To do otherwise, given our history of limited participation in other areas of the sphere politics would be unseemly of us.

    You cold always continue your limited participation in this area of sphere politics.

    Intended or not, this spam constituted a direct attempt to undermine Avalon's policy of non-involvement in Purple senate matters.

    Correct, since Avalon just got involved.

    By doing otherwise the Stickmen have created an unnecessary burden upon our bureaucracy and have undermined our policy of political neutrality.

    I've never seen Avalon's citizens as a herd of cows, doing everything they've been told to do without checking from whom the order came from. Therefore, I'm not sure how this action has put a burden on your bureaucracy. As for undermining your policy of political neutrality, Avalon decided to break said neutrality by the OP.

    Avalon does not seek any sort of apology or other political mechanization. We are seeking only to make a public awareness of how and why such violation of common political etiquette can be construed as rude. It is our desire to see this rectified by the cessation of further such occurrences.

    I'll be happy to ask Arexes to stop his senate campain if you can make sure I won't get any unwanted messages. If you cannot do this, then unsolicited messages seem to be commonplace on planet Bob, and thus I won't have any reason to ask Arexes to stop with unsolicited messages.

    This incident has started off relations with our new Purple brethren in the Stickmen on the wrong foot.

    I'd recommend apologizing to them.

    Regards, Jan Doedel.

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