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If day 2 ends up with the score tied 1-1, we should have a one day, no outside help, no reps, consequences or bad feelings Fan vs. NATO war. One day wouldn't hurt either of us too badly and it would be an awesome way to end the contest. Call it the Day 29 War or something someone who hasn't been up way too much this weekend and has creativity left would like to call it.
Just a thought
You're going to challenge FAN to a day of war?
BEST CONTEST EVER!!!!
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I think our last stat competition was most nukes eaten, so this one is nice for a change.
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FAN FTW.
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Interesting to say the least. Oh well I hope you learned a thing or two from FAN on how they fought their war because your going to need it.
Oh hai!!!
FAN - oft imitated, never duplicated.
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Congrats FAN, do you think you will regain sanction?
No
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Good to see.
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Who the woman!?!
;o
not mpol
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GUN PRON FTW!!!
hey, I thought you Vikings didn't have gun pron! Tricky!!!!!
lol
Yay peace
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I voted arcades, just because we've been bit by that bug before.
Although now maybe he won't, just to spite me.
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(edit - this smiley is intended to convey the idea that FAN is watching this debate with great interest, for a variety of reasons)
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The basic fact is that FAN did not abide by their treaty obligations.
What else is there to discuss?
I'm replying to this without reading what is between page 2 & page 4, so sorry if I'm repeating what someone else has said...
NPO has repeatedly held itself to the standard of "FAN violated the terms because we said so". No proof, and constant repeating of the same lie in spite of our evidence to the contrary.
NPO failed to abide by IT'S requirements of the treaty, namely acting as a protector of FAN while FAN was disarmed.
NPO failed to abide by the treaty terms of only attacking FAN nations which were in violation of the treaty.
I know, these arguments have all been done 1000 times. The point is, almost everyone has seen through it by now. Yes, you're larger, you can enforce your vision of the rules on the basis of strength. We will always have our nations, our forums full of gun porn, and our pride.
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Thanks for all the FAN love, everyone!!!!
/stuffs atrophis back in his cage
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Real FAN, sending out peaces.
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mpol wasn't banned. He has become more powerful that you could possibly imagine.
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Yeah...I like teaching kids how to use, and respect, firearms. Not that gang-land crap.
Word.
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How so? Would you judge it purely based off of in game power? In that case the obvious answer is FAN. Since you wouldnt state what the judgement would be based on I chose and thus answered your question.
Would you disagree with that assessment?
I deliberately left it open so you could pick your own criteria. I was curious what measure you would use. In game power is certainly one legitimate measure. It's also interesting to think of other criteria, such as public opinion.
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That would depend on how you wish to judge and score such.
Cop out.
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Let me ask you a question then since you have respectfully brought this post to me. Does FAN actually want peace?
You know, you would think there is a simple answer to this question.
Not being an elected member of government, I will not attempt to speak for all of FAN. I will say, that we are equally content following our current course, or agreeing to a mutual white peace.
Now I ask you a question - who do you think keeping FAN in a state of war hurts more, FAN or NPO?
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That I cannot answer. Truly it doesn't make much sense to me either but I just don't buy this massive ghost nation theory. I am not going to sit here and bicker about that though, it is simply my opinion.
It's not a "massive ghost nation" theory. I was there, I was one of the few FAN authorized into a limited access area of the NPO forums to report nations attacking us.
It was a FEW nations (I think 2 or 3) that had factories or an AF. Several prior nations that had those items, we forced to remove or they were booted from FAN. Ghost nations were not included in this, we couldn't even attack posers at that time.
Multiple FAN nations were attacked, and NPO did not respond to the attack within 24 hours. I posted some screenshots of this earlier, there are more examples on your own forums. As a result, some FAN nations bought more troops than purely 20%. Most were in the 20-40% range. Who did this threaten? No offensive wars by FAN were launched. We still had no AF, no factories, no nukes, no outside aid.
These are the facts, uncontroverted by ANY evidence other than "we say so".
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The real question is, do they wish for lasting peace or would they maintain their supposed spy base to be used at a future time when they are strong enough to attack again.?
Are we negotiating here, or should we do that in private?
My point of course was that there is a difference between guerrilla warfare, and actions which might lead to peace. Just because you can see one thing, and not the other, doesn't mean they have the same goal.
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Alright, I will start.
If Fan got peace the rest of the world would think internal alliance spying is a good way to get yourself peace.
Who says the goal of spying is peace?
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As conditions for peace, FAN will:
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During this three (3) month period, FAN will be a protectorate of the New Pacific Order. As such, any nation or alliance who attacks a member or members of FAN without provocation shall be subject to retaliatory action by the NPO. NPO must respond within 24 hours after being notified of any such attack on FAN. This clause will not apply to any offensive actions by FAN or its members.
(snip)
So, NPO doesn 't uphold its end of the agreement, but claims a FAN nation with 21% troops is in violation.
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Article I: Mutual Defense
Real Fan and The Phoenix Federation will defend the other party against any attack by another alliance. Real Fan and The Phoenix Federation will not attack each other.
Article II: Aggression
Real Fan and The Phoenix Federation will coordinate offensive military action against a third party.
Article III: Cancellation
Should either alliance feel the need to withdraw from this agreement, they will notify the other party 48 hours in advance. This treaty will be in full force until the cancellation period passes.
Signed,
TPF:
Burning Glory, The flame
Real FAN:
jaysworld, DoDD
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Koona was right. Why give peace to an alliance that will surely use the opportunity to rebuild and attack again? FAN is a terrorist organization, and there's no reason whatsoever why they should ever be negotiated with.
Wish you guys had just been that honest the first time around rather than blaming the war on us.
Of course, "terrorist" is a term I take issue with. Guerrilla warriors, certainly.
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Our hookers are all worn out, and the blow consumed. Might be a bit of a hangover tomorrow.
Also could we get a non-phallic trophy?