Sithis
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No thanks.
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Walford used to post against tech raiding. The Troll Patrol of the Orders told him that playing world police would lead to phail. Now, at this late hour, they themselves are the ones who have dusted off his old philosophy and employed it in order to come up with an after-the-fact justification for their current actions. Just another example that they'll say anything they have to in order to get what they want - pure power.
I notice you're still up. The only difference is, I'm actually awake.
Heh, I'm not awake. It's almost 4 in the morning there's no way I can debate you now.
Also, I lol'd at the Troll Patrol.
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Do you ever sleep?
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OOC: Nice of you to repeat this over and over, yet never respond to answers to the comment.
Nice of you to troll me. Now go back under your bridge, or your cave, or whatever hole you crawled out of.
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I hereby call on every alliance on the "Justice League" side that allows its members to tech raid to withdraw from this conflict immediately. Your coalition leaders have stated that the purpose of this war is your extermination.
And you have the authority to do that because you are the leader of an alliance.
*sigh*
Learn your place.
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To those who persist in claiming that we're the bad guys because we have fun with war against unaligned rogues, I'd like to point out that there are only two possible reasons for your claims.
1: You are stupid
2: You think everybody else is stupid
The thin surface of the situation is that we're jerks. The reality of the situation is that our "victims" are fools and idiots, and that we're merely delivering a well-deserved drubbing. You don't like that, fine. But to fight us in the service of those who are precisely the opposite is in the long run, suicidal. For they pretend to be "just" while actually playing their "friends" against one another.
I really think you should stop providing your insights on the inner workings of the ~ alliances when you obviously have no idea what they are.
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Funny. I keep hearing from the other side, "it's all about perception." When I bring up what our alliances really stand for - responsible politics as opposed to belligerent individualism, I hear "well the perception we created of you is that you're bullies." When I bring up the fact that we stand for responsible inter-alliance politics, I hear "everything is perception, nothing is true." It's almost as if - as if - we're the honest ones, and the other side is all but admitting to being lying manipulators. Interesting, that.
Regarding the avy, like I said, it totally made my day when I was able to get back in here. I'm still expecting a video, tho.
Can you back it up with facts? No. Can you prove any of it? No.
I'm calling bull crap until you can.
You claim that your side is actually joking about doing things right. So, does doing things right include coming out of peace mode and declaring offensive wars on two 13K NS nation with 1519.99 and 1258.89 infrastructure respectively, while you sit at 30K NS with over 5000 infrastructure? I know that \m/ can kick some ass, I have seen it first hand. But at least fight some honorable battles. You really aren't doing \m/ proud if this is what can be expected from you.
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This is a serious issue to us, and we're willing to see it through. It's clear that much of the bandwagon (and especially many of their member nations) aren't really that interested in being involved in this. We're willing to drag it out dragging everyone against us to the hell of ZI. Something tells me that few on the other side can claim the same.
No we can claim it, because we can last longer than you. We have more in the reserves, both financially and militarily.
OOC: Nice of you to come out of peace mode, but did you have to declare on two 13k NS nations when you are 30k NS
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Man, those Minister of Information avatars with your face really do scream true. Don't they?
Man, what genius created those?
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Hail our GATO comrades! Welcome to the war!
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Well tbh, you, Gen. Pinochet and docartaigh are the ones I've noticed just coming in repeating age-old party lines, which don't even really belong in this forum (there's that OOC/IC thing UJP alliances are always exclusively lambasted for destroying). Yes, there are some on our side doing it too. Others in here are being more... constructive, should I say?
It's mildly irritating, more than anything
Hmm... no. I was having an intelligent discussion with the OPer of this thread, and I would like to continue doing so, so if you are going to troll me I'm going to have to ask you to not.
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Even against difficult odds, the UJP continues to uphold the assumption that the rulers of Bob are intelligent enough to see through the tongue-in-cheek alliances of some, and into the manipulative, flat-out evil alliances of others. That's worth fighting for.
Your protectorate repeatedly provoked a devastating Great War, and you did nothing to quell it. Not that we're ones to talk, our protectorate turned on us.
First of all, they aren't our protectorate. I don't know where you're getting that information from, but it's false. We have an MDP with them, which we honored when they were unjustly attacked (no pun intended).
And you're right. The rulers of planet Bob are intelligent enough to see through the tongue-in-cheek alliances of some and the manipulative, flat-out evil alliances of others. That's why so many have joined ~'s side to defeat those manipulative alliances.
Interestingly, the AoA was a superior pact to a protectorate agreement. And you abused the AoA to try to get us to break WUT. Clearly these were acts meant to instigate war over a situation that really should have been dealt with between Genmay and BotS (since BotS got their asses into it in the first place.Well, you know, we would think that since the NpO and the NPO practically made your alliance what it is today by signing the AoA/DBP you would like to honor one of the oldest treaties in CN. Also, unlike some other alliances in CN, we don't go telling alliances how to conduct their affairs. BoTS was fully within its right to defend its members, and we were fully within our right to honor the MDP.
Also, if GOONS had sided with the NpO, then I believe that Gen[m]ay would have turned out much like FAN. They were a WUT alliance, yet you had no problem kicking them out and attacking them. I guess GOONS found ways around the World Unity Treaty, maybe one of those ways was by forming a redundant set of treaties...
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[qoote=TruHartBrakN]we are allowed to side with whoever we please individually. you should know by now that our emperor makes these choices not the common soldier.
Agreed. No matter which way you troll, it's Moo's call. So I've got nothing to say about NPO's position until I hear from Moo. That's one of the great things about dealing with you guys.
Or because they've been lied to.
Yes, all of Planet Bob has been lied to and it is just a huge scheme by Bilrow and Sponge to secure domination over CN. Honestly, that argument is getting old, is that really the best you can do?
This is true. NpO just decided to escalate anyway.Not like we had an MDP with them or anything that would bind us to coming to their aid if they got attacked. And it's not like anything happened before this that had any effect on this conflict whatsoever.
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@ USBR I find it funny that you cite our tech raiding as a reason for your displeasure with certain alliances, and subsequent reversal of policies and cutting of alliances, whilst this current conflict was started by a BoTS member (The side you have agreed was in the right) tech raiding a member of the gen[m]ay alliance, who you have abandoned
You have absolutely no idea what's going on if you think that was what caused this war. Maybe it was the spark, like the assassination of Franz Ferdinand was the spark that started WWI, but you have really missed the point if you think that was the only cause.
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Well, I'm willing to accept a flood of "you're a troll, so screw your OP." Frankly, I deserve it.
Regarding the NPO, I'm speculating that either they dropped the treaties with us so they could declare tonight, or they dropped the treaties with us in exchange for not being called in. But even if they're turning on us, they're hardly the worst of the bad guys in this whole story; and if it comes down to it, I can see why they'd back Polaris no matter what evil Polaris demands of them. And it can't have been easy.
What happens, happens. We can just wait and then talk about it once we know what's up.
You got it backwards: when in "War is an Option" mode, I don't complain about being attacked, and I won't.
Whenever that is...
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This from General Pinochet.
Bob Pinochet, Augusto's fun loving brother!
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We allied nations of the Unjust Path, if we define ourselves as anything, define ourselves as the very antithesis of such a ruler. They demand the economic benefits of "war is an option" while refusing to accept the associated risk. They demand noninterference from the world community, while giving up nothing - neither sovereignty, work nor dedication - to any alliance. They want everything and offer nothing. In short, they write checks their asses can't cash.
"Zilchistan is a peaceful nation. War is not an option."
Hypocrisy at its finest.
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I agree.
mpol, I think you might have overdone it giving giving the CoaLOSEtion a slight advantage. You're only encouraging them. How will you feel at the end when they are too onfused to surrender and all have to be ZI'd?
See, here we are trying to have a nice discussion and then there's you trolling. Please stop.
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You make some good points, however your argument is flawed.
On the matters of tech: yes, tech is a vital tool in increasing nation strength. Up to level 300 it boosts your military. However, being extremely tech heavy works negatively towards your nation.
For an example, let's look at two nations, A & B. Nation A is tech heavy while Nation B is infra heavy, but they are both around the same NS, let's say 20k so nukes aren't brought in as an extra variable. One on one, Nation B will win, because he has the larger population. The larger population will allow him to a. Fund his war effort longer and b. Be able to buy more troops. This was something I actually learned during the war with your alliance. Many FAN nations would have 400 tech but only 999.99 infra or something like that. I easily sent them into anarchy because I was able to buy more troops and outnumber them in ground attacks.
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I got anarchied because my legion doesnt know how to fight a war, and instead hit the Easy Button.
gg legion. gg.
Wow that's funny, the \m/ nation that I'm fighting (who is also twice my NS and has nukes) did the same thing with me!
Hypocrisy ftl.
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I'm talking about the past.
However, unlike GOONS and \m/, you have completely wiped alliances off the map. The violence used so often by the UJP never completely decimated an alliance that it took 3 months to pay its debts, or disband. The fear of that is a very oppressive force.
Of course, but that's not what it became after it was the only bloc in the game with a NS higher than 2 million. Once it became the only place where legitimate CN politics occurred, was when "private channels FTW" came into our lexicon when it came to tech raiding.
The Orders have always had just causes for going to war with alliances. Apparently that is something that UJP doesn't believe in.
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Limited war slots, among other things your side has not displayed...means you cannot apply your NS advantage efficiently. Look at the NS stats already. Your side is not supposed to be losing that much NS and we aren't supposed to lose so little
Last time I checked, GOONS had lost 340,296 Total NS, Genmay lost 105,438, GS lost 98,865, \m/ lost 143,286. And those are just four of the alliances. At the start of this conflict, UJP had 39,570,197 total NS. At its peak, it had 47,589,624 total NS, but it has lost almost 5 mil to sink down to 42,662,178. ~ had 71,774,415 total NS at the start, and now it has 87,385,315.
Explain to me how we are losing NS?
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That's right Polar lackies! Concentrate on your lower nations and you will win this war!
Also, wow. That's a lot of NS. Too bad you can only have 3 defensive wars per nation, and 3 offensive. Sort of causes a problem for an offensive coalition that doubles the defensive one and yet loses NS...
Wait, are you arguing that have 30 mil strength less than us actually works to your advantage? Wow...
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Meh. You are right, but since when is an alliance not counted by all of its members? Do the higher NS nations only count in UJP alliances? That's not nice.
Also, here are some better, more concrete statistics:
UJP: 44,782,656 Total Strength
~: 70,531,156 Total Strength
Stockholm Syndrome
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I'm really going to have to disagree with you there.
And I see you in every topic saying the exact same thing to me. I asked you politely to stop it, so can you please stop.