Udelar Johnson
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It is to be expected that the current crop of so-called "moralists" will support tech raiders whenever it is politically expedient to do so.
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[quote name='xoindotnler' timestamp='1285792732' post='2468648']
That will take so long that it would be faster to re-roll.
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Whatever floats your boat, man. -
[quote name='xoindotnler' timestamp='1285791295' post='2468617']
Well bawww.
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Hey, you could always declare on someone else in GOONS. Eventually they'd knock you to where you'd get a piece of me. -
To all the people calling us cowards but refusing to fight:
Your sickening display of patting each other on the back for accomplishing absolutely nothing repulses me. If your hollow words meant anything at all to you, you would all be declaring tonight at update. -
Accusations of cowardice coming from those who have professed undying hatred towards us while refusing multiple opportunities to fight are pathetic.
By all means, continue to allow the alliances that answer your rallying call of "Roll GOONS!" to be cut down one by one. -
Nice to see some people putting their infrastructure where their mouth is.
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[quote name='ChairmanHal' timestamp='1285252206' post='2462165']
Yes and no.
Yes, people should be smart enough to realize that GOONS only has to make one IRC query before their friends jump to and start making moves. Sometimes they just simply volunteer. Spying. Bashing their critics in the forums. Whatever is required.
Indeed, I think it's not too much of a stretch to say that GOONS appears to be the one that wears these:
[img]http://www.performancetrendz.com/Images/Categories/mans-cotton-sateen-pants-jn05mp003f.jpg[/img]
the pants, in the relationship.
No, in that GOONS gives people on Planet Bob another reason to hate them every single day and they simply don't care. It makes it easier to root for the underdog, the underdog being whoever is opposing GOONS, even when that underdog has done something rather rash.
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Thank you for recognizing that we do more to get our allies what they want than anyone else. Here's a clue: they don't want to sit around buying infra, paying bills, and collecting taxes. Otherwise, they wouldn't have allied with us. -
[quote name='Golan 1st' timestamp='1285233434' post='2462017']
This has nothing to do with hate at an individual level. I used to have friends in GOONS. I guess that many of you are really cool guys, but collectively, you are... well, let's say that you are not for the taste of many of us.
It's not only that you piss on morality. You make it a flag (at least in the sense that your members push themselves to the front line of every argument involving morality on the "evil" side).
You are probably the most extreme in your "might makes right" approach, which so many of us detest and became a symbol of it.
And what's most frustrating is that you do all this the second time, after we thought that we finally got rid of you.
I am one of a few fools who thought, several times, that you were not really that bad, that you would change, that it was all just big joke. But it's not. You are really bullies, and it's not going to change. To your defence, you have always been very honest about it. But it's our right to dislike it.
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If what we do is so horrible and reprehensible, and so much worse than anything anyone in the world has ever seen before, then why are we not getting pounded into dust [i][u]right now[/u][/i]? I submit that the reason is because talk is cheap. -
[quote name='Bavaricar' timestamp='1285200783' post='2461531']
Commonly accepted according to who? The most organized rogues who wreck the nations [b]and alliances[/b] of the less powerful?
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If you do something repeatedly, and get wrecked repeatedly for it, you're probably a rogue. If you do it repeatedly, and no one stops you from doing it, you're probably a member of an alliance. -
[quote name='chefjoe' timestamp='1284311630' post='2451098']
You are right, GOONS warmachine is much more effective.
We were never able to beat ourselves into what amounted to disbandment for over a yr.
We shall try better next time I promise...
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I expect some others to be ignorant of our true history. You, however, have crossed paths with us enough to know better than to conflate us with that dead alliance. -
[quote name='Beefspari' timestamp='1284308544' post='2451017']
Methrage, even in your incredibly flawed view that a 300-man alliance is entirely made up of rogues, you're willingly throwing people under a bus by luring them into doing tech deals with you. Even if you consider us rogues, you're tricking people into our direct path by not telling them the whole story.
You are intentionally drawing innocents into a conflict purely so you can profit from them. If I was to define the word scum in the dictionary, it would include such an act. If you ever had a reputation, you are working very hard to destroy it.
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Don't worry, the usual "moralist" brigade of double-talking sycophants will have no problem rationalizing his actions away. Personally, I'm looking forward to the next round of arguments; this one was becoming tiresome. -
*edit* Wrong thread.
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[quote name='the rebel' timestamp='1283905897' post='2445955']
Heh, what goes around comes around, the world has a long memory and you wont always be so well connected with allies you dont deserve...
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Yes, children, it's the scary part of the story. But whenever things look bleakest, remember: there's a hero somewhere out there who can take on the fearsome beast, and then they'll all live happily ever after. -
[quote name='the rebel' timestamp='1283904305' post='2445915']
So if i send afew nukes at GOONS and call it just a play fight, then it wont make it a war or me a rogue, so that would mean no help with sanctions or allied friends as it isnt a tech raid/war because i said so? Dont be pedantic, if most most in our world say what is and isnt a tech raid and war, then it becomes an unwritten rule.
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So some nebulous community has collectively made this decision for us, without our input. I eagerly await the just punishment that will no doubt shortly follow your righteous condemnation. -
[quote name='the rebel' timestamp='1283902162' post='2445861']
If your question was in english and spelled correctly i could answer it, but maybe some goons are too stupid to understand that tech raids are two ground attacks, using anything else which isnt in self defense, means its an unsanctioned war and not a tech raid, hence the offender becomes a rogue...
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I didn't sign this treaty. Can you show me where my government did? -
[quote name='Methrage' timestamp='1283668085' post='2442354']
Are you? Anyways now you've committed an act of war on NSO more severe than sending some aid by spying on him and all you've managed to reveal is that Corinan is doing the right thing here and GOONS are in the wrong again.
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Don't ever change.
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[quote name='Skap Q' timestamp='1285861776' post='2469789']
No. The GOONS aren't cowards, but let me straighten a few things out here. It seems like this thread is starting to argue over why we went to war, like i was one reason such as we hate ex-TR members, or we want to change their charter, we don't just don't like them, they like suicide or something else.
Let me explain first off, like many of you, the only wars we have ever fought have been for other people. While that is noble, and not a bad thing at all, just for once we wanted to do something for our selves. Secondly, we hate GOONS, and we hated them long before ex-TR members joined, this war isn't about them, but I do admit we all are extremely happy that they are there (minus lex, because I love him). Secondly to Mattski's post, yep we hate you, you go that right, and ITS NO BIG SECRET we called you out in the damn OP. No being a member of a "solid" alliance in the past isn't a CB, good thing it isn't our CB. But even if it was, you arent just a member, you are THE member. Next, we seriously don't actually believe that we are going to change their charter (however awesome that would be) it was more of a slap in the face to those silly GOONS. You are right about most of your reasons for us going to war, actually you might be right about all of them.
We aren't by any means moralist.
I would like to issue this challenge to anyone who feels the same way as we do, in the most friendly way as possible of course [b]do something about it and join up[/b]. Have some fun.
And to all of the haters that are going to say that we are doing that selfishly because we are scared now or what not, I'd like to say that we recognize that we are going to ZI whether or not they join, it's less about us hurting and more about GOONS getting hurt just a little bit more.
Also... o/ The Ninjas.'
Alright, speech over, continue hating.
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You seem like a reasonable person. I would like to engage in the long-forgotten art of "discussion" on these boards with you.
Since you have essentially stated that the only goal in this war was to deal as much damage to GOONS as possible, your statement that it would be "honorable" not to accept aid from our allies now seems like pure self-interest. How is it in any way "honorable" to fight hamstrung in such a way that your enemies' goals are easier to achieve?