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[quote name='memoryproblems' timestamp='1299211005' post='2651898']
I don't understand what your getting at.
What I'm getting at is this, MK/Umbrella says that TPF attacked them by extension when they hit GOONS (something along the lines of hit one member of doom house, hit them all), if that is true, then you must have also hit TPF first when you hit their MADP ally.
I'm simply trying to ascertain which of these beliefs you (and the rest of Doom House as well) are trying to push. I don't have a problem saying that TPF hit you, but MK/Umbrella shouldn't be trying to push that line of BS that TPF (and others) hit them when they hit GOONS.
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I'm going to explain this, again. MK and GOONS have a treaty. The ONLY people that get to decide for MK and GOONS whether WE call it an offensive or a defensive war are MK and GOONS, as, guess what? It's our treaty.
You are welcome to !@#$%* and moan about our interpretation of our treaties. You are welcome to sway others to viewing it your way, and call whatever war you want offensive, defensive, or whatever. You are welcome to activate whatever treaties you and your allies feel are appropriate. If you feel we attacked TPF, so be it. Convince others of this. Activate treaties. Whatever you want to do. Call it offensive, call it defensive, we don't care. You and your allies interpret your treaties. You shouldn't care what we think.
Well, except for one thing. We're going to win this war. And when the dust settles, we're going to take a long, hard look at everyone who participated in the most ineffectual attempted dogpile in CN history. And we're going to ask ourselves, "Did these guys HAVE to join in, or were they just looking to get in a quick jab against GOONS?" Some of you didn't need to be here. Some of you gravely miscalculated our resolve to see this conflict through. We know who you are and you will pay accordingly.
As for what we believe, yes, you attacked Doomhouse when you attacked GOONS. We attacked as one so we will defend as one. No, you didn't attack allies of allies of ours when you attacked us. For instance, you didn't attack ODN when you attacked us. We don't have a treaty with ODN, so it would be rather silly to say that you attacked them when you attacked Doomhouse. You also didn't attack =LOST= when you attacked Doomhouse, because =LOST= isn't part of Doomhouse. You can tell this because their name isn't on the treaty, and they didn't roll in with us. Their MDP was activated through traditional means.
If you disagree, you are welcome to attempt to force us to take a different view of our own treaties. I doubt you will be successful with this. -
Clearly, a master secret agent at work
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[quote name='Kyaris' timestamp='1298997319' post='2648208']
MK has barely lost more NS throughout the entire war than GOONS, and our lower ranks are doing fine. GOONS and MK *combined* NS losses are still less than NPO's losses alone. I don't get this post at all. MK is supporting both their own and ours easily, whereas NPO is not supporting theirs at all. There's no question at all that the peace mode strategy is losing this war for the Hopeless Coalition.
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Shh! The longer they believe they're winning, the longer this war goes on. I, for one, hope we're still at this point NEXT February. -
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I am posting this surrender message on behalf of longcutroll, who asked me to post it as per the message above. longcutroll has surrendered to Doomhouse. -
Wow.
I'm completely speechless, and I can't stop laughing for some reason. -
Burn, Legion.
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[quote name='zzzptm' timestamp='1296425441' post='2611570']
No, it still has big words in it. Blue text won't help you.
And you prove all that I said. Thank you.
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How will my NS ever recover from this scathing insult on my reading comprehension? That's gotta be like, what, 20 days of anarchy right there. -
[quote name='zzzptm' timestamp='1296364464' post='2610481']
CoJ continues its run of victories. In the war of words, they just got several dozen anarchies and defeat alerts on their targets.
Words are SO much more powerful than nukes, but GOONS will learn that the hard way. This will be a long war of attrition, and each CoJ word brings them that much closer to their ultimate goal. Nobody will fear that end result now because they are unable to see it, like a man with a tapeworm or burrowing parasite. In enough time, the influence will be insidious and decisive.
Princes are stronger than stonecutters,
Emperors stronger than princes,
Storms stronger than emperors,
Mountains stronger than storms...
But the destruction of the mountain comes from the slow, steady efforts of a lone stonecutter, chipping away at its base.
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I'm sorry, I can't read this without the blue text. -
Look, Methrage! Another windmill!
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Uh oh, they don't like our CB, we'd better peace out quick!
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All of my stockiles of weapons are gone.
My stockpiles, though, will remain. -
So does that make them co-coordinators?
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Um... that'll sure show them, I guess?
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Surely you see that we are merely liberating your tech for the common people, comrade. Our need for your tech is clearly much greater than your ability to defend it.
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Sup artemis, good to see you here.
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[quote name='Methrage' timestamp='1289292197' post='2507775']
I considered his attack justified because you allow your members to do the same to other alliance around our size, you guys should treat others how you expect to be treated and there is a reason a lot of people dislike you guys but don't care about other alliances which allow tech raiding. The main one is you guys raiding micro alliances and making it part of policy.
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Your dislike of us is noted. Now keep paying your tech like a good boy. -
Well, I didn't get to dance with you guys, but you kept it clean and put up a good fight. It's a shame that so many of the coalition of the spineless are trying to turn this thread into yet another place to air out their grievances instead of following your example.
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[quote name='Rebel Virginia' timestamp='1287513884' post='2487859']
[color="#0000FF"]I doubt I nor anyone else could say with any certainty what exactly this bloc will do. Ultimately, that is up to you. However, it is quite easy to deduce that it will do either one or the other, and I can quite easily say that neither outcome will be overly good for this world.[/color]
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It's good to see that no matter what our actions actually are, they're wrong. -
[quote name='Fernando12' timestamp='1287439570' post='2487190']
What GOONS, its allies, and their sympathizers/apologists fail to realize is that they are quickly building up a reputation that will eventually get them rolled. There will be some here that will never equate anything to the old NPO. But many of us that weren't here for Pacifica's time in power don't know about it, don't care about it, and find that era long past. What we see GOONS doing to nations and small alliances is unacceptable. The parallels to the old NPO are there. There is an anger that is being built up. Right now, GOONS is lucky. Honestly, many of us that want to "do something about it" simply can't. Karma took time to build up for the old NPO. It will take time to build up for GOONS and the allies that support them. GOONS and its allies are sealing their fate with each atrocity GOONS commits and by being allied to GOONS, GOONS allies are condoning these atrocities. For now all GOONS has to worry about is many of us posting against them, sucks but its true. One day though The United States and many other alliances will confront you. Get your jollies now because your days are numbered, better start coming up with words to fit a third GOONS acronym.
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Yes, it is a true atrocity when we win a defensive war. I look forward to many more such atrocities, such as winning the war against UOKMB and winning the war against The Ninjas. -
[quote name='HeroofTime55' timestamp='1287284991' post='2486192']
I know, but it wouldn't make sense to make fun of DT here, because it really wasn't much of a 'trap' like GOONS is making it out to be. I mean, there's the whole explicit "We're not asking for them to get involved with GOONS" line, but maybe it's all part of a deeper, sinister plot by the evil Metherage.
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I was not referring to any specific terms in the protectorate agreement. We've dealt with Methrage enough to know that what he says is never the whole story. -
Preventing less experienced alliances from walking into traps set by the less scrupulous rulers out there is exactly what a classy protector like DT should be doing, and why most protectorate treaties include a foreign affairs clause. I hope that Sons of Aiur recognizes how lucky they are to have someone who will watch out for them.
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[quote name='Lord Roper' timestamp='1286403953' post='2477470']
When it becomes necessary to spy on one of your own, leadership is lacking.
The leader should have a solid standing with the members of his own alliance. He should be confident enough in his own government to conduct an internal investigation, without spying on his own members. If it is necessary to use an ally to spy on your own, you are betraying the trust the members have in you ass leader. It could lead to irreperable damage. 
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Unless, of course, the member turns out to be guilty, and the suspicion turns out to be well founded, as it has been every time. -
[quote name='Baldr' timestamp='1286250094' post='2475416']
Your talking about taking nations to ZI then asking for large reps that they can't pay, and then saying "Well, in that case, nothing I can do. They won't pay the reps."
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Please provide me with a single example of where this was even remotely close to what a government official of Goon Order of Oppression, Negligence and Sadism has said about any situation, ever. -
[quote name='Skap Q' timestamp='1285863627' post='2469815']
Its a war. Our goal is indeed to do as much damage to GOONs (and GOONS alone), as possible. We simply meant that we thought 20 of us against 300 of you would be a fair fight. We got the element of surprise and y'all out number us 15 to 1. What are GOONS goals in this war?
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I'm not gov, so I can't answer for sure, but it seems a little strange to ask the defending alliance what their goals are. I would guess our goal would be to minimize damage taken and break the attacker's will as quickly as possible. That has historically been the goal in defensive wars.
^^Welp, Sardonic answered, guess you can take his word for it.
An agreement of peace
in Alliance Announcements (IC)
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[quote name='mhawk' timestamp='1299260581' post='2652552']
You guys seem to be getting a billion or so every 10 days. I'd say it would take a damn near perfect hit to keep you guys at around ZI considering CnG is also hitting us from the side.
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You seem to have figured out that you can't keep us down with whatever strategy you're using. Good job!