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3(mil) must be your magic number Tyga.
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If this is your idea of productive, then I can't do anything for you.
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Nordreich have a FA identity. Maybe you've just not seen it. It's called chilling out with their friends.
Yeah, that is hella productive, isn't it? -
Good luck to TLR going forward.
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I think whatever terms NPO might of mentioned to Umbrella were likely a stalling tactic rather than serious terms as well. If you offer white peace as soon as the war starts, it ends before it began almost. Although just mentioning terms earlier on in a war, but not actually implementing them shouldn't be reason to receive such terms from that alliance when they get the chance. If they're not implemented in the final peace, they don't count imo.
If NPO really wanted to impose those terms Umbrella keeps mentioning, they could of. Especially if Umbrella agreed to them like they claim.
Not only are you misktaken on all accounts, but badly so. Shock of shocks I know. -
Oh, so you mean NpO and TOP aren't trying to create a unipolar power structure?
A defeated NPO, even one under terms, does not make Bob unipolar. NPO is the leader of a sphere, not the only other sphere in existence. -
EQ was the shoe being on the other foot for TOP/Umbrella and the only term that ended up passing the table was white peace.
That it ended up that way is in no way an indicator that it was intended to end up that way. -
C&G could have imposed their will in Grudge. They didn't decide to take anything personally in DH-NPO despite having the clear upper hand.
You could argue that it would be political suicide; you could also make the case here as the "NPO is gonna get us" forecast could easily become a self-fulfilling prophecy should everyone involve feel slighted enough.
CnG was not by any means the leaders of those coalitions, and only could have made demands of the vanquished with the consent of their coalition.
As to the paranoia towards NPO, its perfectly logical given the lack of any other opposite power sphere and NPO's past behavior and stated intents. -
Ok, put it this way: C&G has not imposed terms in quite a while. The last time a member of C&G imposed terms, if I recall correctly, was when C&G was pre-empted. And the make-up of the bloc was very different, as well. Different leaders for all of the AAs currently sitting, if you even want to count TLR as the same conglomerate of Athens/GR/=LOST=
Okay, I will grant you that. So what? CnG also hasn't been the obvious head of a coalition in a long time too. -
At least try to say this with a straight face. You can see the laughing right through your keyboard.
You are a smart guy Steve. Terms do not equal reps. There are bad terms, there are bad reps. They are not the same thing. You want to argue these are bad terms? Hell, I agree with that. But they are not reps, and I have been here long enough to see the difference. So have you. -
How can the opposite be true when NpO and TOP are preemptive aggressors demanding reps of alliances simply honoring an MDP?
Firstly, they aren't reps no matter how much you cry about it. Second, no one currently opposing Pacifica has any reason whatsoever to assume that if the shoe were on the other foot that the only term that would be on the table would be white peace. -
If anything, NpO/TOP is the hostile power sphere that needs to be neutralized.
Sure, from your perspective. The opposite is true from theirs. And they happen to have won. Not too many ways around that. -
The fact is that Polar and TOP launched a preemptive aggressive war and now they want to levy terms on alliances that simply honored treaties to defend the nations that TOP and the NpO aggressively attacked with zero provocation. I suppose pure military victory and stomping on the corpses of their adversaries is all TOP and NpO care about right now, but politically this is a very stupid move that exposes them as a power-hungry bloc with little concern for global stability. Indeed, they seem to care for very little outside of what they can force the world to give them at the point of a gun.
The very equilibrium of the world has been upset by their regime.
One: You must be new here, because absolutely no one on Bob with decision making power has ever or will ever care about maintaining stability or equilibrium on Bob, nor should they.
Two: Even if anyone did care about those things, why would they be more important than neutralizing an obviously hostile power sphere with obvious hostile intent? -
C&G, as a bloc, hasn't taken reps in quite a while. ODN has been a part of C&G for quite a while.I'm assuming you're all pointing to DH-C&G, which was actually not ODN taking reps. Unless, again, we're going to make the argument that everyone in a coalition is supporting reps.
No one has taken reps in a major war in a long time, and no one is trying to take them now. -
These "terms" are way to lenient to be coming from us.
Undoubtedly so. -
It appears they have fully bought into the idea of us being the puppet master behind all of their misfortunes.
When in all actuality it is way better for them that you aren't. So much spinning, they must be getting light headed by now. -
I implied no such thing. I am only speaking to what I percive the objectives of the winning coalition to be. Those objectives are not rooted in some grand nefarious scheme to cripple Pacifica for life, or even beyond a relatively short span of time. For the record, I have also not once said I agree with them.
Secondly, I don't have to embrace or share your worldview any more than you do mine. But I also don't have to choose to play by your rules just because you follow them. And the fact of the matter is that your coalition has pretty definitvely lost this war. So if the winners seek to impose a resolution to this conflict that is in keeping with the ideas that they play by, then you can cry to the heavens as to how much you don't like it, but short of a millitary victory on your part you lack the ability to meaningfully alter it. -
So many you didn't mention one of importance in response and instead direct people to read through 43 pages of mostly nonsense to maybe find what you're hinting at. All I need is one good reason to be convinced, not whatever nonsense reasons you don't think are even worth repeating.
You could have literally gone back one stinking page in the thread. Stop being so lazy. I am not going to reapaet myself just because poor little Methrage decided to jump in on the end of a conversation and doesn't want to do any legwork for himself. Cry me a bleeding river, then build yourself a bridge and get over it. -
Yes, multitudes of them which I have elucidated previously in this very same thread.Is there any other reason NPO deserves special punishment for coming to the assistance of an ally under attack than what they did pre-Karma War?
ETA: Also, as I have previously mentioned, deserves has jack squat to do with anything. Politics. -
Its not very long ago in the time frame things happen in CN. The Karma War was a long time ago. The BiPolar War was more recent, but pretty far back. The Equillibrium War where NPO pushed for all their opponents to get white peace and the NPO/DH War, much more recent. All of these wars are much more recent than what certain alliances want to continuously punish NPO for.
You have got to be joking. -
I'm aware of that. However, you may also want to be aware that how you perceive it as a member of Argent may be intended.
You might not be aware of this, but as long as I have been in Argent I have been a real outlier when it comes to the thinking on folks on our side of the web. I also know just how much credit the people leading the charge over on this side of the web deserve for smart thinking, because I had the misfortune to work with a good number of them for a long time. Truthfully, there is no fire behind the smoke you think you see. -
With how many wars have targeted NPO lately, these terms offered to NPO seem more like an offer for them to voluntarily damage themselves to make it easier on whatever alliances are pushing these terms to put NPO in the same position where they need to accept terms in the next war against them again, then the next one after that, etc. If that is the case it makes much more sense for NPO to continue fighting until they are given a reasonable peace and damage their enemies as their NS goes down, instead of voluntarily reducing their strength as those opposing them rebuild for next time during that.
Uh, what? The last war that targeted Pacifica directly was NPO/DH, and that is pretty frakking far from being lately. As much as folks want to spin these terms into some sort of grand conspiracy against Pacifica, it just is not the case. -
I've been in this world a very long time. If you don't think that plot doesn't already exist.. you're not thinking far enough ahead.
I am far from new to this place, and I truly think you are giving the brain trust, if it can so be called, behind this coalition WAY too much credit if you really think their machinations extend at all beyond what I have described them as.
To put it simply, NPO is almost certainly being offered these terms out of a pragmatic desire to neutralize you as a threat to the power sphere currently opposing you for awhile coupled with a more emotional need to settle some scores, and that is just about as far as anyone in opposition to you is carrying their thinking. The political acumen in combination with unity of purpose to do anything beyond that does not exist in either coalition participating here, if it has ever existed on Bob in the last 3 to 4 years or so. -
You're not very bright are you? Of course we're currently the head of the oppositional power sphere.. but.. you want to keep us out of the way for a while, and that implies a motive a bit more than just wanting our teeth firmly kicked in. There's something more to this.
So while our teeth are kicked in and we're busily trying to regrow them.. who else gets bit by the ones with teeth remaining?
Let's try to keep this civil, shall we?
You are the current head of the opposing sphere, and will continue to be so. Thus, it makes perfect sense to keep you knocked down for as long as possible. Secondly, you continue to overlook the very real fact that many of those seeking to impose terms upon you have very strong and persistant grudges against you. Which is also, in their minds, a pretty compelling reason to keep you down as long as possible. Given the generally fractious nature of coalitions here, I highly doubt there is some nefarious future plot going that extends beyond seeing NSO/NG/NPO get theirs.
An Imperial Decree
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Best of luck to NSO going forward, there are a few of you that I quite respect.