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I was going to make a philosophical post but I'd rather just say that moral relativism is an incredibly foolish school of thought.
Well game is over folks, if rsox says its foolish it must be. Who needs logic or any form of an argument when rsox will just tell me what is right and wrong.
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Seriously, did you have to make a separate announcement for your one nation "alliance"? I don't even think that what Athens did was wrong, it was just contrary to established precedent and which I don't agree with, and I'm not changing my position because the leader of some 200 NS micronation thinks otherwise.
My alliance has the same rights as any to post here, what makes you think your alliance is suddenly the center of the universe? I would hope that nation strength doesn't dictate what you believe and what you don't, might doesn't make right after all.
Not to mention arguing against the imposition of ones morality on another when the very topic could be said to be the same depending upon the Knights perspective of raiding. I know them not so I may be wrong but the larger, more generalized OP certainly has me chuckling for this reason.Merely stating a position and hoping you would take a second look, there is no solid action being taken here my friend.
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I love it when someone uses sovereignty to justify violations of sovereignty.
I see no violations here.
Nations must be willing to bear the consequences of attack, it is a part of the game. Even then, admin has blessed us with peace mode.
Don't click 'War is an option' if all you are going to do is moan when somebody acts upon that option.
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A Statement from the Moralist Front: We're tired of stupid threads popping up. The Moralist Front hereby declares war on Attica.
Starting to crack, eh?
Attica rides on!
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Whats this senseless babble?! If you're going to make a DoW make it simple. What you said reminds me of a dead racoon
Is this perhaps what you were looking for?
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Is this who I think it is?
Sure.
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Announcement from Attica
Attican has recently been pondering the situation involving Athens, Federation of Buccaneers, and The Knights of Ni!, where members of Athens and FoB declared war on 40 Ni! nations. Many of the critics of Athens claim the war is unjust, based on what is something Attica would love an answer to, and that this was clearly not a raid, but a full on war. We at Attica fully disagree with these sentiments and would like to take this opportunity to perhaps open your mind to questioning your position.
Alliances should not have to seek permission or acceptance from whatever the mood of the masses are and their defitions of what is moral action. Freedom must be restored to the Cyberverse and it is alliances such as Athens and FoB that are on the frontlines fighting to restore it.
Athens has a right as a sovereign entity to do whatever it feels like, bearing the consequences of course. The declare war button was established in the game for a reason and if some players want to put emphasis on that aspect of the game, you shouldn't say its immoral just because its not how you play.
Of course, us folks at Attica would argue these points further to point out that imposition of your morality on others is foolish. Universal morality truths, whatever they may be, do not exist and we shall do everything in our power to stop people from claiming them as a source of power.
To demonization of war is a truley frightening movement and the consequences are starting to be felt. We have Athens in our hearts and any alliance that launches attacks on her will surely meet our blade.
That is all.
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Attica sends her best to the forces of Mushroom Kingdom in their defense of Athens, however much we may be in disagreement with her disapproval of Athens action.
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You people are all insane.
Very.
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The Moralist critics fear your freedom Athens, deny them the pleasure of your demise. Stay strong, sympathy rides high with you even in the darkest corners of Planet Bob.
Pay them no mind, they are not Athenians nor friends. You owe nothing to them, never forget that. Why must we feel it neccisary to prove yourself moral in the eyes of the mobs that rule Bob these days.
Run with your freedom Athens, run to the frontlines of the fight against the fakeness of Morality.
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Are you kidding me?
Pardon me sir, but do I look like I am joking?
The Moralist threat is real, the battle cries of Attican legions are real, the holy dreams of a grand Meist society are real!
Attica rides on!
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The policy is nice and all, but this would appear to be an internal issue between the government and your membership. Unless of course this is just a political move, but I know the good folks in Athens are above that.
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A Statement from the Moralist Front: This directly contradicts the need for some form of direct democracy specified by Moralism. The Moralist Front hereby declares war on Attica for its terrible crimes.
Attica hereby recognizes your declaration and raises you double.
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I bring forth the 3rd Testament of Attica, and so it said:
Meism and Attica
I. Origin
After the publication of the Most Holy Doctrine, Atticus found himself searching for a way to apply the ideals of Meism to governing. The most pure form of Meism would result in the annunciation of alliance affiliation and reverting to self rule in the interests of the self. However Atticus wanted the new Meist followers to be protected from persecution and he became determined to find application of his principles to the state.
Atticus knew what had to happen.
II. The All Important State
Atticus would apply the thinking of self importance to the state. With a Meist state the interest of the individual is automatically the interest of the state. Therefore everything that is the interest of the individual is in the interest of the state. This relationship works the other way around as well.
Atticus discovered that the interest of the people was in the interest of the state, and therefore the state represented the people’s interest. He had perfected the basis of Meist government.
III. State Versus Morality
The State must be in constant conflict with the forces of morality since they represent the biggest threat to Meism.
Atticus set the defeat of the forces behind the illusion of morality as the ultimate goal of Meists everywhere and Meists should do everything in their power to stop it.
IV. The Ruler of the State
A Meist government needs an absolute authority in charge of the state, so that the interests and goals of the state and people are clear.
Atticus knew that if there was a large governing body the interests of the state would be too diverse and the ideals of Meism would fail the state.
Surrender yourself to the grawnd Meist State of Attica and let your mind wander free from the borders of old! The Moralists cannot defeat the people united, united for Attica!!!!
Attica rides on!!!
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The Moralist Front recognizes a state of war with these immoral moralists.
EDIT: This is what oppression really looks like, CnG.
Don't get me started...
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Death to the Moralists and such.
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I'd attack you if I was in range too.
I'd attack everyone if I could, but that would require too much effort.
I support this movement, just because morality is overrated.
Your support is noted sir, thank you.
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Attica supports Athens and the Federation of Buccaneers on their recent conquests against the Knights of Ni!
It appears to me that people are starting to open their eyes and see the chains of morality that contain your hearts desire. Be free citizens of Planet Bob, experience the joy and fun you once knew. You cannto run from it, the forces of Morality will meet their end. The status quo wants you to bend to their invisible rules of morality, do not accept it! Meism will live forever!
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Down with the Moralist!!!!! Am I doing it right Atticus?
Perfect.
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As for the response from The Moralist Front,
Villien, sir, you must understand that Attica is eternally commited to your alliances complete destruction. That being said, we accept your proposal of expressing our mutual hate through tech deals. Your petty moralist buisness standards will proove to benefit us exponentionally over the coming weeks of bloody war. We cannot, however, leave our sacred home on the Brown sphere. The fight continues, with more fevor and passion then ever before.
Down with The Moralist Front! Hail Attica!
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Vilien declared war first, but didn't make an official thread.... he is a monster!
Edit: l2speel
Indeed, the evidence is there. They started an aggressive and unprovoked war, and precident tells us that actions of that sort are usually condemned as immoral. The moral scum condtradicts istelf as well, long live Attica!
Unless of course they hae recently adopted true Meist beliefs....
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2nd Testament of Attica
In accordance to the priciples of Attica and The Most Holy Doctrine, Attica finds itself in a state of eternal war with the alliance 'The Moralist Front.' May they tremble in the face of our might. That is all.
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In correspondence with The Holy Doctrine of Meism I humbly present....
Attica
The Meist State of Attica
At long last my brothers, we have found a home for our enlightened community free from the persecution of the Moralist scum. Now we can congregate to the sacred promised land on the Brown team with the full blown force of Meism behind us. An alliance among our diverse peoples will allow us to fully develop into the most united and aggressive fighting unit ever to have blessed the Cyberverse. This is our calling men of honor! Today marks the beginning of the rest of the history of Planet Bob! I call my brothers to arms against the dominance of Moralists! Heed our creed:
The First Testament of Attica
Article 1: Residence to Attica
Attica is an understanding place of refuge for the followers of Meism and we would be more than honored to have you in our presence. However these requirements must be met before entrance can be allowed:
- Must have a CN Forum account.
- Must be a devote follower of Meism and understand its core concepts.
- Must recognize that the government of Attica represents all of your interests.
- Must be on Brown team.
- Must have ideas to contribute to Attica
- Must have The Flag of Attica on CN forum signature.
- Must pledge to fight the forces of Moralists to the best of your ability.
- Understand the workings of Attica by passing a state run test.
Article 2: The State
The State is the governing body of Attica, it functions as the following:
1) Atticus
- The sole sovereign of Attica
- All authority is placed on his hands, all other authority extends from him.
- Recognized as the living form of Attica.
- Shall appoint a member of the Council to fill spot in case of absence.
2) The Council of 3
- Represents the three branches of government within Attica: Military, Internal Affairs, and Intelligence.
- Are selected by Attica at any time and are removed in the same manner.
- Collectively advise Atticus and administrate their branches.
- Can appoint any member to assist them in their branch.
Article 3: Information
Attica resides at http://s6.invisionfree.com/Attica/ and can also be found at #Attica on IRC.
Let our foes cringe at our might foundations and our foes scatter at the shining light of hope we shine over the lands. So praised be to the admin gods for we have arrived at last to bring upon salvation to the blind, sick, and defeated! Under our banner rides the legions of men with the honor, courage, and valor to stand up to the masses of the ruling powers and the chains of morality they imprison us all with. For too long have we shrunk in the face of darkness and lost all sense of enlightenment. But no longer! Attica is Born!
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So, who are you again?
I am Atticus, who are you?
Morality is a personal choice, it can not be imposed from above.Mob morality is not true morality it is just the mindless actions of a mob where individual good is vulnerable to being torn apart by group think , all it takes is one demagogue to sway the collective opinion by exploiting group think dynamics and a righteous crusade can become a blood thirsty purge.
Personal morality is the only true morality.
There is no imposition of universal morality in the above. Indeed my friend, if you truley came to understand the principles outlined in the doctrine you would find that we agree on many of the same principles.
Meism is a movement against the universal moral truths that seem to have been placed on our contained society. Instead we proclaim a form of self morality, where all actions stem from ones one interests. It is, however, important to note that one should not try to impose ones own interests or morals on any other being.
Basically, in trying to show how morality limits our freedoms you proved the complete opposite. We adopt moral principles in order to protect ourselves. It is in empowering the collective, that we look onto morality. Basically what you're saying is nothing new it's the old "might makes right" argument repackaged and disguised under the ever elusive concept of "freedom".REJECT MORALITY... AND BE FREE... FREE TO DO WHAT THE INDIVIDUALS WITH THE BIGGEST GUNS WANTS YOU TO DO.
Blacky, you draw too many conclusions. Meism advocates the promotion of the self and grants you the freedom to do whatever you desire. You and only you have the right to determine what you should and should not do, draw your own lines that you don't cross. Do not let the individuals with the most power prescibe you to follow their rules.
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If you are going to use outdated verb endings you should at least try to use them properly. It's hath come or just plain cometh.
It was intentional, I assure you.
On the Athens Affair...
in Alliance Announcements (IC)
Posted · Edited by Atticus
I believe you are mistaken about the priciples of Meism and Attica.