The Light has Cometh

[Atticus]

The Most Holy Doctrine of Meism

I searched long and hard, but no longer do I crave the thirst for law and order

I. Origin

There was a time in the Cyberverse upon which men and fools alike were consumed with never ending conflicts of words over some set of universal moral truths that the citizens of Planet Bob were required to adhere to, lest they fear upsetting the balance of the supposed order this concept of morality provided. We know these beliefs to be false. This foolish chase for supreme rule of morality became so widespread among the populace that all actions required some sort of moral justification to be valid. It was these radical conditions that had taken the hope of any nation to act in his self interest, a concept that was rejected as immoral.

This was the world our most humble prophet Atticus was born into, and he sought to enlighten.

II. The Demonization of Morality

Atticus was not a blind man, but he could see no invisible boundaries of morality that constrained his actions. Yet he was constantly audience to pointless debate and criticism over whom and what was immoral. Ultimately large mobs would congregate over an idea and seek punishment of those who didn’t join in, all of course in claiming moral justice.

Besides the fact that Atticus could not see what morality was and who determined it, there were no logical benefits to be gained in the pursuit of moral domination. All it seemed to do was provide enormous constraints on ones action, since moral justification was needed to please the morality thirsty mobs of the Cyberverse. Atticus wondered why the rulers of Bob sacrificed their freedom of action in order to follow the rules of an undefined, mob ruled morality.

Atticus pondered and found the solution to the problems of morality in the land of the Yellow sphere, which was the promised land for all the enlightened followers of Meist principles.

III. The Rebirth of the Self

Atticus now knew the key to knowing all that is right is thy self. There is no need for the undefined inaccuracies of morality to guide us, for if we benefit then it must truly be right. The stride to do what is right for ourselves should be the only motivation that is needed and you may cross whatever invisible moral lines created by the moralists of the world to constrain the dominance of egoism.

Atticus preached that justification and motivation from the self is the true determiner of right and wrong, evidence and morality need not be included.

IV. Self Importance

Atticus soon realized that in fact everything should be viewed from the stance of the individual. Without the burden of others interest, the individual can them reach the full potential of self importance. Everything in relation to you is all that matters and that by looking at the world through the narrow eyes of your selfishness is the only true way to have perspective.

Atticus took the above as the only real truth in the Cyberverse and proceeded to enlighten the people of the Cyberverse of their liberation from morality.

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Friends, let your mind ponder the goodiness of the Doctrine. I surely hope you will soon discover the truth and set yourself free from the chains of morality. Be free, be free!

[Delta1212]

If you are going to use outdated verb endings you should at least try to use them properly. It's hath come or just plain cometh.

[Atticus]

If you are going to use outdated verb endings you should at least try to use them properly. It's hath come or just plain cometh.

It was intentional, I assure you.

[Jack Diorno]

Morality is immoral, hmmmm.

[Rebel Virginia]

So, who are you again?

[Error Operator]

You remind me of a scholarly fellow that used to frequent here, but alas no more.

[Corinan]

I kinda like it.

[Prime minister Johns]

Morality is a personal choice, it can not be imposed from above.

Mob morality is not true morality it is just the mindless actions of a mob where individual good is vulnerable to being torn apart by group think , all it takes is one demagogue to sway the collective opinion by exploiting group think dynamics and a righteous crusade can become a blood thirsty purge.

Personal morality is the only true morality.

[Blacky]

Atticus now knew the key to knowing all that is right is thy self. There is no need for the undefined inaccuracies of morality to guide us, for if we benefit then it must truly be right

Basically, in trying to show how morality limits our freedoms you proved the complete opposite. We adopt moral principles in order to protect ourselves. It is in empowering the collective, that we look onto morality. Basically what you're saying is nothing new it's the old "might makes right" argument repackaged and disguised under the ever elusive concept of "freedom".

REJECT MORALITY... AND BE FREE... FREE TO DO WHAT THE INDIVIDUALS WITH THE BIGGEST GUNS WANTS YOU TO DO.

[ShinRa]

Morality is a personal choice, it can not be imposed from above.

Mob morality is not true morality it is just the mindless actions of a mob where individual good is vulnerable to being torn apart by group think , all it takes is one demagogue to sway the collective opinion by exploiting group think dynamics and a righteous crusade can become a blood thirsty purge.

Personal morality is the only true morality.

Bah, you beat me to that.

As for the rest of this Holy Doctrine, i'm really not sure how any alliance mob of fanatics who follow this is going to turn out. And Bob could really do without yet another force with religious/philosophical issues who support this sort of thing.

EDIT: Corrections

Edited November 14, 2009 by ShinRa

[Bob Janova]

God damnit Delta I wanted to have that moment of intellectual superiority

[Gecko]

Hey, we need a large alliance to just come and police the rest of the cyberverse...

wait... where have I heard this before?

[Atticus]

So, who are you again?

I am Atticus, who are you?

Morality is a personal choice, it can not be imposed from above.

Mob morality is not true morality it is just the mindless actions of a mob where individual good is vulnerable to being torn apart by group think , all it takes is one demagogue to sway the collective opinion by exploiting group think dynamics and a righteous crusade can become a blood thirsty purge.

Personal morality is the only true morality.

There is no imposition of universal morality in the above. Indeed my friend, if you truley came to understand the principles outlined in the doctrine you would find that we agree on many of the same principles.

Meism is a movement against the universal moral truths that seem to have been placed on our contained society. Instead we proclaim a form of self morality, where all actions stem from ones one interests. It is, however, important to note that one should not try to impose ones own interests or morals on any other being.

Basically, in trying to show how morality limits our freedoms you proved the complete opposite. We adopt moral principles in order to protect ourselves. It is in empowering the collective, that we look onto morality. Basically what you're saying is nothing new it's the old "might makes right" argument repackaged and disguised under the ever elusive concept of "freedom".

REJECT MORALITY... AND BE FREE... FREE TO DO WHAT THE INDIVIDUALS WITH THE BIGGEST GUNS WANTS YOU TO DO.

Blacky, you draw too many conclusions. Meism advocates the promotion of the self and grants you the freedom to do whatever you desire. You and only you have the right to determine what you should and should not do, draw your own lines that you don't cross. Do not let the individuals with the most power prescibe you to follow their rules.

Edited November 14, 2009 by Atticus

[Jens of the desert]

I already believe this, but not even a prophet can show everyone the light, and in the case of CN...most people.

[Achilleus]

. . . This foolish chase for supreme rule of morality became so widespread among the populace that all actions required some sort of moral justification to be valid. It was these radical conditions that had taken the hope of any nation to act in his self interest, a concept that was rejected as immoral. . . .

Ultimately large mobs would congregate over an idea and seek punishment of those who didn’t join in, all of course in claiming moral justice. . . .

The stride to do what is right for ourselves should be the only motivation that is needed. . . .

I agree completely.

Ultimately, the selfish urge of guilt will drive you to do better by your fellow man, and if this benefit for another person can be carried out via means of selfish intent, it should be considered no different than if it were carried out by some pontificating moralist.

Idealism is the death of mankind -- not to mention the Cyberverse, too.

[thebillygoat]

I agree completely.

Ultimately, the selfish urge of guilt will drive you to do better by your fellow man, and if this benefit for another person can be carried out via means of selfish intent, it should be considered no different than if it were carried out by some pontificating moralist.

Idealism is the death of mankind -- not to mention the Cyberverse, too.

by guilt do you mean the feeling of guilt that stems from breaking the rules of your morality which then creates the need to pacify this guilt (selfish urge of guilt)

[Doitzel]

OOC: Weird. This is like me when I was young; I had some stupid made-up philosophy named "Meism" too, and my first nation was later named Attica.

IC: I spit on you, pretender. Clan Doitzel is the heir to Old Attica.

[Achilleus]

by guilt do you mean the feeling of guilt that stems from breaking the rules of your morality which then creates the need to pacify this guilt (selfish urge of guilt)

Yes, but that's only with the proviso that morality itself is something that is used to justify the guilt.

[Kzoppistan]

Ah yes, this old argument.

The supposed irreconcilable differences between morality and pursuit of self interest is a false dichotomy and each stance is prompted by the sum result of one's own opportunity and environmental factors.

They are nothing more than tools of adaption that allow a person or group to succeed best and are influenced by the simultaneous drives for social compatibility and advancement of one's self or group up the social hierarchy. These two drives are not mutually exclusive, indeed they operate at all times, and yet the actions resulting from which drive influences the most at the time are often in opposite directions.

Though the OP was a nice and entertaining read when I finally got around to it.

Edited November 22, 2009 by Kzoppistan