KainIIIC
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i would give them a month at most, but they might knock FOK out if they focus on them.
nah, they'll cling onto the #12 spot for as long as possible. If anyone takes #12 spot from NPO, it'll probably be Legion, as ROK and VE will still be battling out with NPO, and i'm sure NPO will not appreciate losing its sanction to one of these two.
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Oh no, a good chunk of us are perfectly willing to go down swinging if need be rather than save our skins at every opportunity. We're just not stupid enough to try and lose in order to prove it to anyone.
no doubt. I never said the Rational Actor Model always applies to humans and human organizations (even if its the most common form). Look at TPF and Echelon. It's completely against their interest to stay in the war, and near-suicidal. Bonds of "friendship", taking a bullet for someone else.. fighting a losing war until the end... not really the smartest option, but it does happen anyways. That's also what makes us human
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Sparta was never going to side against us any more than, say, MHA would have ever sided against Grämlins. The fact that we won is a happy coincidence.
Edit: Incidentally, I'm not saying this is true for every alliance. I don't know everyone's motivations for joining and like most wars, there probably were some people who hopped on the Karma bandwagon because they could and knew they'd win. Sparta just doesn't happen to be one of them.
give me a break. Sparta, MHA and TOP all backed out of the Continuum and the War on its eve once they full well knew that a war was brewing up against NPO. The difference with Sparta and MHA&TOP, is that they took it a step further and directly attacked NPO. It's called selectively honoring your treaties, and of course they all chose the side they felt would be more beneficial to them. Rational Actor Model plz.
Look at the coalition of cowards. They all initially backed out from honoring their treaties, but when faced with the prospect of getting attacked anyways with a lot of international pressure, only then did they honor it. Cold Hard Politics.
My point is that Karma is basically the same cold-hearted realists as NPO, except they are holier-than-thou about it and do not actually acknowledge it.
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Actually, that would be pretty stupid planning, not rational or intelligent.
really? siding with the strongest side is not rational? that's exactly what they did.
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How do you know so much about Sparta's plans? You don't so please stop acting like you know anything about them.
simple. They're made up of a bunch of humans, and if their leaders and gov't act in a rational manner, their plans should reflect exactly that.
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About the same. Karma is no better than NPO, and maybe worse since many of them are hypocrites and liars. NPO acted like any hegemon would do: try to maintain and expand its power, it's human nature. Look at Sparta; this is exactly what they're trying to do (but I don't think they can maintain it) as they conveniently backstabbed NPO by breaking all of the treaties, joined the winning side, and attacked NPO; and i'm 100% positive that TOP and MHA do not mind being in the top 3 spots either. What do you think a GOONS, a FAN, an \m/ or a LUE dominated world would have been any better? (hell no, it would've been much worse). Sure, NPO technically started the war by attacking OV using evidence (true or untrue) of 'spying'. But is that what the war is about? hell no. You just hate NPO and the fact that they were #1 for so long, or because (as in C&G's case) because you were destroyed by NPO in the past. Sure, you can claim you're upholding some kind of just principles, but, as far as any sane observer can see, you've taken every page out of the NPO playbook and used it against them. All while maintaining some aura of "righteousness", which is why I call you hypocrites and liars.
Now, I'm not saying NPO didn't deserve to be destroyed. By all means they did. But get rid of this holier-than-thou approach. It sickens me, and many others to my stomach.
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Interesting post to say the least. I'll say a few things.
It's my belief that NPO had what it was coming to them. They were the Hegemony, they did use brutal tactics and realpolitik to affirm their power for years, put harsh terms on alliances such as MK, Athens and GATO that i'm positive Pacificans now regret (and rightfully so). I think every bit of NS lost by Pacifica is probably well-deserved. That being said.
If this war has shown me anything, it's that the "other side" is no better, and possibly infact, worse. Why? Karma reeks of hypocrisy. First, there's the fact that much of what consists of Karma today (minus of course C&G, who IMO have the most genuine complaints and grievances against NPO) were at one point part of the same Hegemony they now seek to destroy (i'm looking at you, gramlins, sparta, FOK, VE, TOP, etc.), or atleast conveniently allied to the winning side such as in the WotC. Secondly, there's the simple fact that you're now offering NPO the "harshest terms on CN", if you really wanted to show your 'pure' and 'just' side, why make the terms an accumulation of everything the NPO has done in the past? For all of the 'injustices' NPO has committed, i.e. the 'get out of peacemode and we'll give you terms', you seem to be just as bad.
Plus, i'll bring up this important point. Was NPO really that bad? Really. Imagine who the world could have been governed by instead. GOONS? FAN? \m/? LUE? Those were among the stronger alliances throughout CN, and despite all of NPO's shortcomings, would you really want shark attack week to continue on the forums, tech raiding of pretty much any nation or alliance who cannot defend itself, aggressive wars with more aggressive endings waged frequently, and pretty much a breakdown of what we consider CN norms?
There is an abundance of propaganda floated on both sides; NPO members like the OP may have already drank the kool-aid, but again, many Karma members have drank just as much.
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Will the NPO play a role on the next war? If so, in what capacity?
It depends on the time. If it is pretty soon after the war and peace terms are given and war breaks out in say December, they'll probably waffle awhile, see the views of their remaining allies, and try to join the war on the winning side, or perhaps only play a peripheral role. I'd see the biggest links into the war for them are through Polar & Frostbite (which would make strange but interesting bedfellows), MHA & The Citadel (again, more interesting bedfellows), or whichever side Purple/IRON/former hegemony sides on (which could be either, or they could abstain).
Will there be an alliance that is willing to sign a treaty with the NPO, If so, which ones?
I doubt that the NPO will get involved in a major web of alliances. Currently, they are in best standing with the Purple sphere as a whole, and probably Orange next.
Do you see any Karma alliance being allied with the NPO? If so, who and why?
Perhaps some peripheral alliances, again, but likely not core of Karma (which I consider SF+C&G+Gram+Sparta).
Will the NPO seek vengeance? If so, which alliance(s)?
Whoever is easiest to take down, is the first answer. In the pacifican view, they kind of deserved the attack by C&G, they've made natural enemies with SF, they still have decent ties with alliances of the citadel (minus Gramlins) and MHA. I think, in their view, the biggest backstabbers of all alliances was probably Sparta.
Will the NPO disband?
no. way. in. hell.
Will there be a leadership change in the NPO?
Probably, but moreso cosmetic than fundamental change.
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You're still worried about the amount of electricity yours consumes? wow, yours IS the inefficient relic. My personally made saber can cut through thicker walls, is lighter, and more durable than any of the sabers from all of the sith I have killed. THAT is efficiency.
You fail to see what makes my lightsabers better. It is like a normal lightsaber comparable to the one you mentioned, except by using less universe-destroying mitochlorian energy, and by 80%! Universe killer!
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Bonne Chance!
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Glad this finally happened, I pushed for this for a long time when I was in NSO.
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I stand corrected then, thank you my friend. However, still the end result is a standardized test. I took a few AP classes in my day and really they didnt do that much that wasn't done in regular classes. This could also have to do with my old school spending millions on their football team and nothing on books or education though.
Again, thanks for the added info dude.
yeah, I can't say for certain, but i believe around the time I was entering HS and a few years before, AP opportunities were just getting started, and were probably merged into Honors, whereas by my junior/senior year, they were completely separate and dedicated mostly towards passing the test. I'm certain that, excluding the US History AP exception (which covered all of American history, rather than the normal course which covered only after Reconstruction, and thus taught 2 courses in 1 year), that I learned a lot more than I would have otherwise. One of the best things about these AP courses, i would say, is they actually taught you how to write coherent essays, which IMO has proved invaluable in college.
You're lucky. Unfortunately, in the eyes of my university AP Calc AB =/= Business Calc, AP Stats =/= Business stats, and you try and find the business school equivalents of Art History, US History and Euro
.5 tests at $80ish a piece = ~$400 down the drain.
That's pretty unfortunate. Some schools just take AP tests differently, and I believe especially the Ivys don't take APs while others will only take 5s. Fortunately, my University (University of Wisconsin - Madison) was rather generous.
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Only if you can prove to me there's no rust on this fine lightsaber handle
Our lightsabers are the most energy efficient in the entire galaxy. Supreme quality, no rust, and only consumes 80% less electricity than the Jedi lightsabers!
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welcome fellow sith lords
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I also don't agree that the number one goal of an AP class is to pass a test. That is exactly where schools are failing. The teachers are teaching memorization skills, not actual knowledge, which forgive me, is supposed to be the number one reason for school in the first place.
I am 8 years removed from high school
er. no. AP classes and tests are NOT why high schools are failing, and AP classes are designed TO teach to the test. Maybe since you are 8 years removed from high school (I'm 3 years removed) and since wide availability of AP classes are relatively new, i'll fill you in. AP stands for Advanced Placement, which means that in most schools that offer AP courses, AP courses are the highest level of achievement, and generally by taking these courses, you would get more knowledge than in any other non-AP course by the same name. The goal is to take a test at the end of the year (my tests were $52 an exam) and, based on what you got on the test (1-5, 1+2 failing, 3 sometimes being accepted, and 4+5 usually accepted), you would get college level credit. As for myself, I took 7 AP courses in high school (took 6 tests, as the Physics AP class wasn't serious nor taught to the test), and as a result, I got 22 credits, which has probably saved me 15k-25k depending on including the opportunity costs, which is great considering I only spent $312 on the exams themselves. Fundamentally, AP courses are designed so the students gain enough knowledge to pass the AP exam, to serve as an acceptable substitute for a college course by the same or similar name.
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kind of laughable. I'm 100% positive that this would be an epicfail. First, you seem to completely miss the character of the student body. No class will put up with that. I'm almost positive that at maximum, 10 people would oblige to that. Daily homework is bad enough and makes students angry, but busywork that i'm positive they will perceive as completely useless and !@#$%^&* will cause massive transfers away from your AP courses. That's not even to speak how this would even get past the administrators, who i'm positive would share the same exact concerns as myself. This seems to be more of a social theory experiment rather than an educational one, probably similar to "The Wave" if you've ever seen that. It is Dead On Arrival.
Besides, High school AP courses should try to accomplish 3 goals: 1) Prepare students for passing the AP test. 2) Prepare students for college while 3) falling under the guidances and norms of a non-AP high school upper-level course. While you may accomplish #1 with this (and this is a big if), you would epiclyfail at the other 2.
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Everything sounds good so far.
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Tiger Army Never Dies
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Proud Ex-PoW here happy to be a part of this milestone the second time 'round.
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Here's hoping your next 3 million comes as easily.cheers!
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There is a serious collection action problem going on with Karma (which has really happened since its inception), and thus it is not only in the interest of NPO/TPF/Echelon, but also of the warring Karma alliances to make individual peace with the remnants. If you get fewer alliances in the room agreeing on terms, the more likely they'll come to a conclusion, so this is what may end up happening. We could also see a major shift in opinion as the lower tier of the nations attacking NPO begin getting destroyed more frequently due to higher tech/powered players with a low NS with nukes and such.
And as someone said earlier, the hippies will separate with the war group, making the war group look bad and force them to wind it down.
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The Amazing Sanction Race
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You'd be surprised. But I don't see NPO coming close to falling out of sanction, mid-August at the earliest, and there's a good chance the war might be over by then. That should give Legion some moral stimulus to grow faster!