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[quote name='Da DreadLord' date='17 February 2010 - 02:12 PM' timestamp='1266437522' post='2187861']
well there are 2..
- declare neutrality
- looking at the TDO situation..make the member causing problems to step down from his position
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If Hoo stepped down, that would be fine by me.
Seriously though, you can only force someone to step down when that person has committed a crime against your alliance. And it has to be a rather serious one, and one that you can back up with indisputable evidence. -
[quote name='Lord Tri' date='17 February 2010 - 01:51 PM' timestamp='1266436281' post='2187831']
Is this for real?
[b]"Aqua peace will be damaged due to your own actions"[/b] - As I recall, I brought up the idea of negotiation with you, Hoo. Rather than even think on that idea, how did you react? You banned me from #rok, someone who wasn't trolling, who came in peace in an effort to bring the peace. I attempted to broker peace, I fought to negotiate and bring our alliances to the table, along with others, but you could care less about peace, so long as you get your little "revenge".
[b]"You were more willing to break "aqua peace" for your own benefit previously."[/b] - Being the man who negotiated on behalf of TDO during the little ADI-TDO issue, I'd say I have every right to comment on this. You see, this is where the difference between you and Warbuck is evident. Warbuck, while being extraordinarily upset over multiple transgressions by TDO, was capable of being level-headed and speaking with me on the matter. Warbuck heard me out, and we developed a way to keep the peace between our alliances. So don't come at the world acting like you are just in your reasoning, cause you are way off.
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The only reason I'm going to reply to this is to recognize Lord Tri's talents. He saw my anger at the situation and was able to overcome it. However, that did require my listening to him and taking in what he had to say. We developed a mutual respect for one another through that situation that we still have. He does make a very good point though. He knew that I didn't want to disturb aqua peace by declaring on TDO, but I felt there was no other choice.
Lord Tri showed me that there WAS another choice, and when I saw that there was, I chose that option. Why? Because under the surface I didn't want to bring war to my own sphere, and I believe that war should be a last resort. It is only an option when I can no longer negotiate, or when negotiation is impossible (fulfilling a treaty or having people like Hoo declare on us). There IS another option to this, but Hoo won't be satisfied with any option that allows ADI to [OOC]play the game[/OOC] in peace. -
[quote name='Alfred von Tirpitz' date='17 February 2010 - 01:22 PM' timestamp='1266434522' post='2187778']
No other options here.
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That is laughable. There is the option of no longer trying to disturb aqua peace over something as trivial as a single line in a log, and moving on. There is the option of ignoring ADI and no longer harassing us wherever we go. But I suppose you missed those options. ADI weren't good little meat shields for you in an offensive war, and you want to make us "get in line". If you attack, at least be upfront about WHY you are attacking. It surely is not because there are no other options. -
[quote name='NoFish' date='15 February 2010 - 09:49 PM' timestamp='1266292156' post='2184311']
No, you only passed around [b]faked versions logs[/b] from a conversation with their leader (the original of which was meant to be kept in private) and [b]declared support for the other side[/b]. If they are completely different it is only as much as it makes WAPA look so much the better by the comparison.
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The logs were not faked, but no one will ever prove that one way or another. Also, declaring neutrality is not declaring support for the other side. It is declaring support for neither side. I must admit- nice spin, but not good enough. -
[quote name='NoFish' date='15 February 2010 - 01:22 PM' timestamp='1266261774' post='2183280']
Semantics. You told Rok you'd back them, went back on it, then !@#$%*ed to high hell when they canceled with you. WAPA told you they'd stay neutral, went back on it, then you canceled on them.
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Actually, it had nothing to do with them saying they would be neutral and then backing out of that. They hit an ally of ours, after telling us they would be neutral, and they didn't even mention it to us beforehand. That was the lack of communication that led to our disagreement. It has more to do with who they entered the war with than it has to do with which side they entered on.
ADI never told RoK they would do one thing only to turn around and strike a RoK ally. ADI gave support based on a certain set of facts, and when the facts changed, our minds did. If RoK was attacked, we would have not had an option- we will uphold our treaties. However, it was RoK doing the attacking, which gave us a choice.
The two situations are completely different and to try and relate them to each other is simply foolish. -
[quote name='lonewolfe2015' date='13 February 2010 - 11:36 PM' timestamp='1266125792' post='2180324']
Blaming WAPA for being so fortunate to lose a treaty that would never be dependable...
You guys just made my day.
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Yeah, ADI has not fought for her allies in this war at all. That makes sense. /end sarcasm -
Sometimes, friends find themselves heading in different directions. It is never a happy occasion to part ways with a friend, but sometimes it is a necessary evil. During this conflict, ADI watched one of their allies attack another close ally of theirs after telling ADI that they wished to stay out of the conflict entirely, and especially that they would not enter on an oA. It was during the events that followed that we at ADI have realized that there are some communication problems between ADI and WAPA, and that these problems cannot be resolved.
I am sad that it had to come to this, but I have informed WAPA of the enactment of Section VI of the Place Title Here Treaty:
[quote]Section VI - Termination
Should the need to remain friends to one another no longer be of benefit to either alliance, either alliance may initiate termination of this pact at any time; however, the withdrawing alliance must notify the other alliance through diplomatic channels 48 hours prior to doing this, except when the countersigned has violated Section II.[/quote]
The notice time frame has passed and this treaty is now considered void. I wish WAPA the best of luck in the future, and I am sorry it came to this. Perhaps we ca rebuild our friendship some day in the future when our paths and goals are not so opposed.
Signed for the Aqua Defense Initiative,
John Warbuck- Lord High Sentinel
Yuurei- Judicator
Archon Daverin- Arbiter
Kaplechistan- Arbiter
Lord Tri- Lord of Foreign Affairs
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[quote name='Van Hoo III' date='11 February 2010 - 10:18 PM' timestamp='1265948307' post='2176494']
Everything is a conspiracy to one (1) John Warbuck, Goon.
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Way to make everything about me again. Believe it or not, I don't need the attention. I just know the way some people play politics on Planet Bob, and when the leadership of Legion is stating that they never gave permission to add their signatures to this peace agreement, then it only points to something else going on. Could be simple miscommunication. I was simply pointing out that I've not seen any specific evidence of Legion giving their consent here. -
[quote name='Matthew Conrad' date='11 February 2010 - 10:10 PM' timestamp='1265947847' post='2176465']
[20:37] <Hubb[Legion]> If it's white peace, then it's white peace.
01[20:38] <LW[Away]> It is white peace and you, MASH, Quantum cannot re-enter this war, nor aid your allies until afterwords
01[20:38] <LW[Away]> And if you don't take it tonight, this offer is gone
[20:38] <Hubb[Legion]> Legion and allies have white peace with Sparta and allies.
[20:38] <Hubb[Legion]> I understand that.
Enjoy your opportunism.
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As others pointed out, it looks like Hubb was just verifying what the offer was. It was not followed by "Ok, here is our sig block; we accept". There was no acceptance in that log. That log is merely a twist of words. -
This looks like a set up to make Legion allies believe Legion was exiting the conflict and thus draw the allies out of the conflict. I haven't seen a single log in this thread that contains a Legion official stating that their signature bloc may be used. Typically that is the final part of any peace agreement or treaty. I don't see it here, so I believe that this was just opportunism at it's finest and the Legion's enemies twisted the words of their leaders.
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o/ UCN
o/ Bunnies
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[quote name='AndrewS' date='09 February 2010 - 11:50 AM' timestamp='1265737807' post='2170807']
o/ peace
Good war, and you wput up a great fight Warbuck, thanks for the battle.
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You were my most difficult opponent the entire war, so I wanted to congratulate you on that. I always enjoy a challenge and you brought just that to me -
I'd like to just say that 1TF and NUHF have been challenging foes on the battlefield. This has been a fun war, but it is now time to move on. Good job to 1TF and NUHF, and a nice war all around.
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Good luck to SOS on your future endeavors.
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Let's hope this is enough to bring about peace between two alliances that are friends of ADI.
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Yay for peace, and especially for MHA
o/ MHA
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[quote name='Mayzie' date='06 February 2010 - 11:27 PM' timestamp='1265520469' post='2166073']
I agree, this was never anything personal to begin with. As I said before when your buddies LSN tried accusing us of being one of those alliances who hold a grudge with ADI, that is most certainly not the case.
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Well, I am glad we see eye to eye on the fact that we are both looking out for the best interests of our friends and that none of this is personal. I look forward to finding a resolution that helps our allies find the peace that they need. -
[quote name='Mayzie' date='06 February 2010 - 11:16 PM' timestamp='1265519786' post='2166055']
This topic is now complete, it has an ADI log dump, these ones aren't fake though...
That you were trying to broker peace around us was quite hilarious too, second option was that NUHF could decide if we would peace with NATO, leaving our allies WAPA to fight them and now TFD alone, cancelling out the entire reason we joined in this war, to help GR & their allies FoB. I reckon I offered you a siimlar counter offer, you stop warring, the answer was either no or no response (I got cut off a little while back so don't have logs), I think you see your offer was stupid
And before you start BigWoody, yeah, sure WAPA can get out too. The reason we entered this war has not been accomplished (the defence of FoB, GR's ally), if ADI are re-entering wherever they can but others cannot, that seems to be a stupidly arrogant offer to me, from an alliance who aren't really in a position to do offer such a thing.
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Did you ever stop to think that the purpose of the offer was to get WAPA out as well? WAPA, who holds a PIAT with ADI attacked NATO, who holds a ODP with us. We don't want peace for just one ally, we want peace for them all, and especially the ones fighting each other. It is an end to which we will fight for without fear.
Edit: The only way peace will ever be reached is when all of the alliances that have nothing to do with this load of crap that triggered this war all decide to give each other peace and let the parties responsible settle their disputes on their own. -
[quote name='orionsway' date='06 February 2010 - 11:02 PM' timestamp='1265518967' post='2166035']
well thanks john for the opportunities you've given us. Where would we be without your opportunities? But, last I checked, trying to dictate how things shake down isn't an opportunity, its dictating. And last I checked, your not the dictator of our alliance.
orionsway
nuhf, founder
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Nah, I'm not, but you are not the dictator of mine either. The opportunity was given, and the choice to take it or leave it was there. I gave you the option. That's not dictating, it's providing an offer. -
[quote name='Mayzie' date='06 February 2010 - 10:46 PM' timestamp='1265517976' post='2166013']
I don't believe so, we came in to help out our allies GR, it turned out the place we could help them best was on this front. I don't think ADI's offer of peace and everyone re-renter whenever they want is any sort of a resolution at all. What does that solve? We reload and are back here next week? We're open to ADI white peace, so long as they wont re-enter but them suggesting we surrender is absolutely ridiculous at this point.
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I gave you two options. First was that ADI would not re-enter, but 1TF would peace with NATO and not re-enter as well. Second was that you could peace with NATO and ADI and not attack NATO or ADI during the rest of this conflict, but would be free to re-enter if you were required to.
You want ADI to leave our allies in NATO to dry and we won't do it.
[quote][17:05:27] <Warbuck[ADI]> 1TF and NUHF have the option of agreeing as well, we want 1TF to peace with our other ally they are at war with.
[17:05:27] <Auctor[NUHF]> but
[17:05:40] <Auctor[NUHF]> any peace with yall has to include yall exitting the war
[17:06:02] <Auctor[NUHF]> that'd be our only term as we can't allow you to fight our allies
[17:06:27] <Warbuck[ADI]> Am I supposed to let you fight ADI's allies?
[17:06:43] <Auctor[NUHF]> if you want peace[/quote]
Hypocrisy at it's best, to be honest. -
[quote name='Burnsey' date='06 February 2010 - 07:08 PM' timestamp='1265504908' post='2165597']
Oh i have no beef with Troy but getting White Peace and leaving 1TF/NUHF behind was not very honorable.
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As I stated, 1TF and NUHF were given the same opportunity to peace as Troy was. They thought their gangbang on NATO was more important than white peace. -
[quote name='bigwoody' date='06 February 2010 - 06:51 PM' timestamp='1265503874' post='2165561']
Who failed to get their allies white peace?
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So far it would be me. 1TF is still at war with NATO. -
[quote name='bigwoody' date='06 February 2010 - 06:35 PM' timestamp='1265502912' post='2165513']
Nonsense, the same offer is on the table for you as well I am sure. If not, feel free to find me and I will look into it personally.
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1TF and NUHF were offered white peace if they give peace to NATO. They refused. -
Glad to have peace guys. I think the terms were reasonable for all parties.
AzN- you guys were some tough and fierce warriors. I enjoyed the fun.
Troy, it is nice to see an end to this. You've been great guys and good sports. you DirtDiver
o/ Peace
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