John Warbuck
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Session Start: Tue Dec 29 23:54:19 2009
Session Ident: Warbuck[ADI]
[23:54] <Warbuck[ADI]> I got something to tell you in case it comes out
[23:54] <xxxxx> Oh? What's that?
[23:54] <Warbuck[ADI]> I edited the Hoo logs to make hi look like a warmonger
[23:54] <Warbuck[ADI]> and if he tries to claim I did it will be his word against mine
[23:55] <xxxxx> Wait.....what? Why would you do that?
[23:55] <Warbuck[ADI] just to stir the pot and see if I can influence the war
[23:55] <Warbuck[ADI] there is no other way I can do it plus Hoo thinks he can push me around
[23:56] <xxxxx> Well make sure you don't get caught. You'll get us rolled for sure.
[23:56] <Warbuck[ADI] there is no way to prove the logs are fake anyway
Session Close: Wed Dec 30 01:33:07 2009
That's all I've got to say about that.
Rather funny that you are making a judgment on logs that are admitted joke logs that someone doctored. All I'm going to say on this subject is this. The logs in question were admitted to be true by Hoo himself. Except he claims that I added the last line. I don't even see a need for the last line. The log still says the same exact thing without it. But by focusing on one line and making the false claim that I edited it, Hoo has successfully taken everyone's attention away from what the rest of the log that he admits to is saying.
I also feel that the OP was simply trying to show a pattern in Hoo's inconsistencies. Hydro is not from ADI, and his post was not sanctioned by ADI. It's just his opinion. I guess that just because someone else sees what is really going on, it is a conspiracy by me to try to take a shot at Hoo.
I won't be posting again on this thread, but I just wanted to make those couple of things clear.
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Warbuck are you really that dumb? You said "that ADI offered Rok help" in this thread, damn your a bad lier. You lie so much it's hard for you to remember what you said.
I never said ADI didn't offer help, I said that RoK asked for it. Get your thoughts straight before you try to claim an inconsistency.
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You're changing your story ... again. You came to me and offered assistance and that was never disputed by you previously.
Also, we don't care that you didn't want to fight on our side. We care that you didn't come to us and discuss it. Which, by the way, you admitted you should have done and lamented over screwing up.
Lastly, you're not getting attacked due to any of that. Tell me what language I need to say it in so that you better understand.
No, that was my original story, and always has been. And it is what happened. And you will dismiss any evidence that I provide that shows that it is the case.
Oh, I know what we are getting attacked for. We are getting attacked for letting the world know you wanted "NPO's toadies" to exit stage left.
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1) I thought you said "you didn't know FEAR and TPF had ties" so why would you even ask about FEAR in the first place?
I naturally asked about our other ally wanting to know that they wouldn't be conflicting
2) Rok told you ADI wasn't needed and then asked for your help? What the hell are you smoking man that's now how it went down.
Yes it is. The very first thing I was told when I asked if there was going to be a war was that ADI needed to be prepared to defend RoK if someone countered. Those were the FIRST WORDS Hoo typed, before he even told me who he was attacking.
3) If that statement is true what's wrong with that? Why would anyone expect you to attack an ally? Allies fight on opposite sides of war sometimes but they just don't attack eachother. How long have you been playing now?
When caught in the middle, you have the right to not pick a side. Most people respect that. RoK obviously does not.
Any more lies or lame excuss'? Warbuck face it your out of excuss', face the consequences of your actions.
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Hoo replied before your last edit to your post. Maybe you added the numbered points after his reply?
No, the points were in the first post. My edit was the bolding of some words.
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Why on earth would I need someone else to attack you for us? Are you seriously this naive? Do you honestly believe even half the crap that you post?
Sadly, we know the real Warbuck. I'll be waiting for you via query when you come crying that you want to come clean and mend your ways. Only this time I won't fall for it nor will it stop us from doing what needs to be done here.
Nice way to avoid the bullet points there
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I already have justification. Due to everything going on in the world for the last month, your nation is not yet a crater ... that will change.
And I will just make your next post for you: "OMG, that MUST mean PZI!!! He can only possibly mean that! You see!?!? Hoo is evil and wants to destroy people! Santa, the Easter Bunny, great games on the Nintendo Wii, and my faked and shopped logs of Hoo are REAL!!!!"
You mean due to your flame brigade not being able to break through to the intelligent freethinking individuals and convince them to kill me for you, you must do it yourself...
Due to ADI picking up some friends along the way and moving on, despite RoK reminding us at every turn that you don't appreciate us defending the truth, you need to repeat your lie enough until even you believe it...
Yeah, that is proper justification.
So you say that your allied with FEAR who is allied with TPF and you didn't know this before you said you would back us? So Warbuck had to rely on another leader to inform him who his allies are tied too? Wow, you have a good leader there. LOL
Well, as I will say for I believe this is my 200th post on this subject (Congrats! You are the 200th person to ignore my previous response- you win a keg of beer!) it is a mistake I will not make again. However, I actually trusted what the leader of the alliance that raised ADI was saying to me. If you want to talk about inconsistencies, here is the list I had to wade through during the ordeal:
- Hoo said that FEAR would be in no way involved
- Ragnarok told us it was defense and that we needed to help them (despite their claims we weren't needed)
- When the possibility of FEAR hitting RoK was presented, and ADI said they would go neutral then, RoK said "no, you would just hit someone else on their side"
- Ragnarok informed me of their disdain for CDT which conflicted with the CB, and showed me that my allies on the other side were facing destruction
Edit: Bolded some important ones.
- Hoo said that FEAR would be in no way involved
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Despite the fact that I see it almost as an insult to myself and other ADI members, isn't that the same thing that you did to Warbuck? Telling him that TPF wasn't allied with FEAR. I'm pretty sure that supercoolyellow summed up the dilemma ADI was in when we found out that you were wrong about TPF's allies.
No, RoK wasn't wrong about TPF's allies- they just withheld information pertaining to one of them, being the one that had a Mutual Defense and Optional Aggression Pact with ADI.
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I couldn't care less if you got involved last war or not and I even told you I didn't know if you'd even be needed. We didn't ask for your support, you offered it and then revoked it in public while also calling us liars.
But, I digress, you're smarter than that and know this has nothing to do with any of that. Your actions after we cancelled on you is the reason for the upcoming DoW, and you know that. You repeatedly lied, faked and shopped logs, bragged about the treaties that you are going to gain from it, and refuse to come clean despite even telling us in private that you wanted to. You lost an ally, lost the respect of the majority of your color sphere, and are going to get your alliance attacked. I hope it was worth it.
I didn't fake or photoshop anything. But I digress, you are smarter than that. You need justification for the first ever aqua on aqua violence and that is why you would make a month long effort to make it look like I did.
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When you declare war on someone these days, I guess you're only supposed to attack them once. As often as the rules of engagement change, I'm afraid that I have a difficult time keeping up with it. After we attack, I am sure ol' John will be all over these forums proclaiming that we're out to disband them and push them out of the game. Hell, he may even shop a log or two for good measure.
You just can't attack those who wrong you in today's Bob without some sort of outrage from somewhere, I suppose. I guess we'll have to just suck it up and do it anyway.
Attack, and burn to the ground are two different things. And ADI never committed any aggression towards RoK. I just chose to stay out of a conflict because you told me one thing and I found out another. If I got involved militarily I would have been stabbing someone in the back, so I chose to stay out of it. You chose to take it from there with the cancellation of our treaty and the smear campaigns after that.
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No you are the definition of back stabber, bottom line. What treaty have you ever honored? Let me answer that you coward NONE.
I see more and more that the opposing viewpoint has to add personal insult to their responses as it is the only way to make them sound different than previous responses. In the end, it's the same drivel over and over.
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I'd suggest enrolling in reading comprehension 101 my friend. I know that the line exists, unfortunately for you it isn't a long one
I was implying that the line is longer than you perceive it to be. I guess I'm just not clear enough on here.
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No no no.. like this
Glorious Tamerlane: I argue point A
Spineless Leader: Spin Spin Spin
Glorious Tamerlane: I can see we aren't getting anywhere here.. point B
Spineless Leader: You ignant.
Glorious Tamerlane: U Mad.
That has no semblance of any rational thought whatsoever. I feel dumber after having read it. Oh wait, deja vu....
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No, it's not bull Warbuck. You messed up, you stab a near and dear alliance in the back after you get your legs working and then try and dig the knife deeper.
Yeah, because I chose not to stab FEAR in the back and decided to back neither, I am a backstabber. And then being canceled on due to not stabbing either alliance in the back but staying out, I am a backstabber. Being told then to get the f off of aqua makes me a back stabber. Then being goaded and provoked endlessly after makes me a back stabber.
I guess the definition of back stabber has changed.
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**Warbuck** "Naaaah yall is just ignant. you ignant" **/warbuck**
No, it's more of you doing this:
Pointless: I argue point A
ADI: Response A
Pointless: I can't counter that so I argue point B
ADI: Response B
Pointless: I can't counter that either, so I argue point A
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When someone makes a point you can't defend, claim they didn't read what you were trying to say. Good one, warbuck.
You dizzy yet?
Nah, it's just when I've argued this point (and others have too) and you haven't read the argument, I don't feel like repeating myself, so I'll let you read it on your own.
No Warbuck, you failed to double check this. Plain and simple. On matters of treaties you should always try and do your own research, someone as busy as Hoo (and yourself) might say forget every now and again. It's being human. What you did was put another treaty above RoKs (who guided you through birth). That's what makes people dislike you.
I admitted my failure to double check, but not knowing the direct treaties of your target when telling someone that obviously trusts you is just bull. I trusted Hoo enough to take his word for it- I learned to never make that mistake again.
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Wait, didn't you just say there is no concrete evidence? So now 1 month later, his actions serve as evidence towards how much he, and frankly a good number of people, hate you and your shabby cross you've tried nailing yourself to?
So you really did mess up and decided that it was best to back out of an agreement than to honor it?
Geez, that fits the definition of spineless. Warbucks currency is at an all time low, maybe if he pledges support for his allies on the AA he'll fix that!
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Nope. Still low.
To Warbuck: Yeah, its the P permanent part. Please show me where Hoo threatened PZI. PLEASE!
Way to not read. There is no evidence that proves either Hoo or myself right other than Hoo's statements in this thread.
ADI pledged support when RoK lied to them and said they wouldn't be conflicting with FEAR's treaty with ADI and when this lie was exposed, did what any alliance that has treaties on both sides would do- stayed out of it.
Repeated is the same as permanent. Hoo just worded it in a way that allows him to claim that there will be an end to it (which is when the player leaves the game).
Edit: you can read the thread as easily as I can- you go find it. It's there, and has been noted by those that aren't mindless Hoo worshippers.
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What? What are you talking about? Who said anything about PZI?
SPIN SPIN SPIN SPIN SPIN HOLD ME CLOSER TINY DANCER!
Hoo did. The repeated wrecking of an alliance or nation constitutes as much. But then I guess you have a different definition of PZI...
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Then why is it that Warbuck felt the necessity to fake logs? Hoo said it himself that he has faced many log dumps and this is the first he ever contested. Not to mention that the general context of those logs were you saying you were willing to support RoK, then you chicken out. This negates any necessity of talking about faked logs or not. Warbuck pledged support, he chickened out, and then turned a cold shoulder on the very alliance that protected them from birth. So ya, this does give me yet another reason to dislike Warbuck and his alliance.
LRA, no it's not. It's called a display of disapproval for ADI. I do agree posting support for your allies is one good step, but stabbing an alliance in the back after you said you would help them kinda brings into question how loyal Warbuck really is.
Yeah, the faking logs thing has no concrete evidence to support either side of the argument, other than Van Hoo repeating the same things he said in those logs, right here in this thread. ADI pledged support when they were told that their ally, FEAR on the other side would not be directly involved. FEAR had a MADP with TPF and a MDoAP with ADI. This was pretty critical in making ADI change their stance, as their stance was given under the premise of not conflicting with our other treaties.
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You exaggerate and lie. You only feed info to your membership that puts you in a good light. You like to keep them in the dark. That's why I dislike you, not because of some stupid rule you have in IRC.
And at least Argent doesn't tell members what channels they can and cannot be in.
ADI membership is always aware of what is happening in our government. And I have no clue what you are talking about with IRC channels. Could be possibly when I told ADI members for two weeks to stay out of TDO's channel while we were having problems so that the issues wouldn't escalate. But currently ADI doesn't have a list of channels people can't visit.
So, if a request to not flame a neutral alliance's IRC channel for two weeks is considered to be "telling members what channels they cannot be in" then we are clear on who is exaggerating.
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I feel that the line you speak of is very, very short.
Just because that line consists of people who are above the mentality of participating in the practice of repeatedly arguing the same points over and over doesn't mean that the line does not exist.
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Just like the rest of ADI, they can't form an opinion so they just go for the "Yay ADI".
I say RoK has a perfect reason to crush ADI.
Much can be said about people who don't do their investigation into both sides of the story and mindlessly post drivel here simply because they have a personal motive. (Whether it be to look good in front of the bandwagon or because they have a personal vendetta in your case due to being asked not to pollute our IRC channel.)
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The fact that the aqua sphere practices aqua peace does not mean that alliances on the sphere may act as they please towards other aqua alliances. In fact, John Warbuck's actions go against the very spirit of aqua peace and he will not be able to hide behind that policy to avoid answering for his crimes against Ragnarok.
This is you trying to take the victim card, and it is obvious. I'm just honestly glad that people are beginning to see through your antics now. PZIing people from ADI will not be the result of ADI breaking Aqua peace, but instead, your aggression using manufactured reasoning.
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Except it's the truth. When is ADi going to grow some balls and actually fight in a war? You are Aqua DEFENSE Initiative right?
Well considering there have only been two opportunities in ADI's history to do so and the first one involved conflicting treaties that kept us out, I believe that when our allies call us in, this would be when.
A Statement From The Aqua Regime
in Alliance Announcements (IC)
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Good show Gecko. I accept your apology full heartedly.
o/ TAR