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  2. A Recognition of Hostility

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    [quote name='Voytek' timestamp='1295359295' post='2581233']Have you made any contributions to these threads yet beyond me-tooisms? Just curious.[/quote]
    I did actually. I posited that the logs posted by Impero were in fact from after war had already been decided on or executed and thus that it was sensible that RandomInterrupt would be less than polite to him, given that Impero had already (by then) told Dajobo where to shove his explanation.
    I was rudely cut off with a "you're wrong". Who's contributing here? Have [b]you[/b] made any contributions?

    [quote name='welshgazza1992' timestamp='1295359298' post='2581234']Because, I have the authority to lead Ragnarok to war?... There was me thinking that was the responsibility of RoK's government. [img]http://forums.cybernations.net/public/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif[/img][/quote]
    Everyone has the power to do something about it, even if it is only voting with their feet.

  3. Declaration of War From the Viridian Entente

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    Posted · Edited by Arrnea

    [quote name='Voytek' timestamp='1295358639' post='2581227']Want me to let you in on the big secret behind optional aggression clauses?[/quote]
    Want me to let you in on the meaning of "mutual defense"?

    Edit: From the [url=http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=83488]RoK/NpO MDoAP[/url]:[quote]A. An attack on one of these signatories is an attack on the other. [b]In the event of a defensive war, each signatory is expected to come to the immediate defense of the other militarily, financially, and diplomatically.[/b][/quote]
    But hey, what's logic and solid fact in the face of blatant hypocrisy and ignorance?

  4. A Recognition of Hostility

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    [quote name='Ashoka the Great' timestamp='1295358729' post='2581228']If you can find a shorter summation of how VE & Co. got the war against Polaris that they've been itching for for some time, you're welcome to present it.[/quote]
    Won't happen. VE (or Impero, at least) has a habit of brushing you off (or telling you where you can shove your opinion) if what you have to say is inconvenient to them.

  5. A Recognition of Hostility

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    [quote name='zzzptm' timestamp='1295358442' post='2581221']Polaris, your government could have done better and should have done better. "Who will remove the stone from my shoe?" "Who will rid me of this troublesome priest?" People hear things like that and do drastic things.

    I don't speak for Nueva Vida, but I do speak for Himynamistan. I'm not buying the line of innocence. In Nueva Vida, EVERY TIME I have suggested some half-baked scheme, my government didn't play along. They said "No, Z. That's not how we do things around here."

    You could have done better and you should have done better.[/quote]
    Except Dajobo didn't "suggest" anything to Polar government. Otherwise, nice strawman.

  6. A Recognition of Hostility

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    [quote name='welshgazza1992' timestamp='1295355723' post='2581191']o/ Polaris![/quote]
    So if you're so willing to hail, [url=http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?app=forums&module=post&section=post&do=new_post&f=70]maybe you're willing to do something about it[/url]? Too bad about that VEto, eh? <_<

    [quote name='shahenshah' timestamp='1295355777' post='2581192']Nice sig! :unsure:[/quote]
    I concur. The irony is delicious.

  8. War Propaganda

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    [quote name='shahenshah' timestamp='1295350463' post='2581109'][img]http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/6803/tygaj.jpg[/img][/quote]
    Give the man time. I'm sure he'll have plenty of stuff to interest you in the near future.

    [quote name='D34th' timestamp='1295327736' post='2580228'][img]http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/236/vedoublestandards.gif[/img][/quote]
    This one takes the cake though, whether you buy its message or not.

    [quote name='Biff Webster' timestamp='1295354174' post='2581160'][img]http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/rr63/BiffWebsterGPA/DFRoKSig.jpg[/img][/quote]
    Too hard to read the text. Other than that, good work.

  9. A Recognition of Hostility

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    Posted · Edited by Arrnea

    [quote name='neneko' timestamp='1295352862' post='2581143']That story only works out if he had actually gone to VE with them. (spoiler: he didn't)[/quote]
    He [b]did[/b] try.
    Unfortunately, someone had already tipped off Impero (I can only imagine it was Lennox) and Impero wasn't going to listen to reason with a war to plan, was he?

    [quote name='Lamuella' timestamp='1295352864' post='2581144']can people agree with the following statement:

    "Receiving something unsolicited is different from soliciting something and then receiving it"?[/quote]
    Yes. We do however reserve the right to disagree with the assertion that the presented actions of Dajobo constitute "soliciting something".

  10. A Recognition of Hostility

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    [quote name='neneko' timestamp='1295352361' post='2581125']and then had the spy reupload the screens that wasn't working.[/quote]
    You keep bringing this up, but to be fair, if someone linked me screenshots that didn't work, no matter the context, I would ask them to reupload them (even if I planned to immediately turn them over to the relevant authorities) so that I would have proof of what was in them.

  11. A Recognition of Hostility

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    [quote name='Letum' timestamp='1295352010' post='2581121']And I assume a "thank you" is a stronger indication of such than promising to guard it with one's life, right?

    [17:28] <sethb[OV-DepMoFO]> <Demeanor[Blackstone]> guard that with your life
    [17:28] <sethb[OV-DepMoFO]> <sethb[OV-DepMoFO]> I will
    [17:28] <sethb[OV-DepMoFO]> <sethb[OV-DepMoFO]> promise

    When a CB so similar to one in the past is being used, the least everyone could do is check what was said before in order to avoid giving the other side some propaganda points. After all, the very basis of any modern CN argument is: "This event has a superficial similarity/difference from what NPO did, therefore it is exactly the same/completely different."[/quote]
    Ladies, Gentlemen and others, there goes the "we're not as bad as NPO" argument. :awesome:

  12. A Recognition of Hostility

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    [quote name='neneko' timestamp='1295350269' post='2581106']
    That would be a far fetched but still plausible theory if Dajabo hadn't asked lennox to reupload the screens he couldn't see when they were delivered showing clearly that he has a interest in them or are we going with the "he wanted to see the warchest screens as a friend" line here? Because I might have to get drunk to get to that level of "good faith".
    [/quote]
    From what I understand of [b]that[/b] log, Lennox sent Dajobo a PM containing several image links. These did not work, therefore when Dajobo requested that they be reuploaded, he did not know what they contained.
    Once he had found what was inside them, he set about talking to VE... only Impero wasn't having it.

  13. A Recognition of Hostility

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    [quote name='neneko' timestamp='1295349791' post='2581099']He is talking to the second in command of an alliance. Interpreting that as a interest to spy for someone else is way beyond reading it in good faith. It's plain ignorance.[/quote]
    I was under the impression that the two were talking as friends, not as representatives of their respective alliances. Under this context, I find it quite irrelevant what positions each of the two people in the conversation hold. For the record, I interpreted the log like this:

    [b]Lennox:[/b] "Hey I'm going to spy on someone for the hell of it, maybe MHA?"
    [b]Dajobo:[/b] Nah man, they're boring, pick someone else.
    [b]Lennox:[/b] Okay, got any ideas on who'd be interesting to spy on then?
    [b]Dajobo:[/b] Perhaps MK or VE? They seem to be the movers and shakers these days.

    Nowhere in that does Dajobo say "I want you to spy on MK or VE and report what you find back to me".

    Perhaps MHA should roll Polar for implying that they are not interesting enough to be worth spying on?

  14. A Recognition of Hostility

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    [quote name='neneko' timestamp='1295349486' post='2581094']After lennox state his intentions to spy for them you have to have ALOT of good will to interpret the suggestion what alliance would be worth spying on as anything besides telling him to spy on them.[/quote]
    All I see is Lennox stating his intention to spy, not to spy on the behalf of a particular party.

  15. A Recognition of Hostility

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    [quote name='neneko' timestamp='1295349263' post='2581091']20:33 Chancy I should spy on MHA
    20:33 Chancy Just to make them mad
    20:33 Dajobo|NpO| nah they aren't the enemy
    20:34 Dajobo|NpO| pick domeone worth spying on
    20:35 Chancy Give me suggestions
    20:36 Dajobo|NpO| VE or MK are the two who are heavily involved in world politics
    20:36 Dajobo|NpO| anything that happens will come through them first

    So I heard these lines means something else if you look at them in just the right light.[/quote]
    Suggesting that an alliance is worth spying on is different from telling someone to spy on them.
    Close perhaps, but still two different acts.

  17. A Recognition of Hostility

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    [quote name='Tygaland' timestamp='1295348294' post='2581075']You haven't shown me where Dajobo or anyone from the NpO spied on anyone. Receiving a screenshot is not spying, at least it wasn't when NPO claimed it was pre-Karma. I guess treating each similar instance the same is another phenomenon of Reverse Bob that is alien to you?[/quote]
    What are you talking about, Tyga? You should know that taking a moral stand is only sensible when it furthers your agenda. :rolleyes:

  21. Declaration of War From the Viridian Entente

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    Posted · Edited by Arrnea

    [quote name='Il Impero Romano' timestamp='1295342305' post='2580992']Furthermore, before anyone posts that [i]beginning [/i]snip of my talk with Dajobo again while trying to assert that I was dismissive, take note of the fact that Mr. Interrupt was just as quick to dismiss any further conversation at the end of the logs as I was at their start:[/quote]
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but this log would seem to be from [b]after[/b] you'd gone to war, or at least, after you'd decided irreversably to do so (and thus well after you dismissed Dajobo's overtures towards VE in an effort to explain the situation reasonably).
    At this point, it's not at all surprising that the leader of the alliance you're about to attack (or have already attacked) would be dismissive of you. ;)

  22. Declaration of War From the Viridian Entente

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    Posted · Edited by Arrnea

    [quote name='WarriorConcept' timestamp='1295341263' post='2580968']
    Yes they eventually did, probably after finding out VE was going to war instead of doing it on his own when he received the screenshot. Just because he did it once he realized his alliance would be rolled instead of when he actually received the information doesn't abdicate him of wrong doing.
    [/quote]
    As I understand, this occurred over a rather short timeframe, so it's quite likely that Dajobo went to VE rather quickly, considering timezones and sleeping habits (and the like). Certainly quickly enough to argue that VE went hastily to war [b]without bothering to hear NpO's side of the story[/b].

  23. Declaration of War From the Viridian Entente

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    [quote name='WarriorConcept' timestamp='1295341009' post='2580959']Did NpO try to talk to me when a someone came to them saying they want to spy? No they said "spy on someone worthwhile" and named VE[/quote]
    Not denying that.

    [quote name='WarriorConcept' timestamp='1295341009' post='2580959']Did NpO try to talk to me when they got a screenshot of our information? No, they instead kept talking to the spy and actually comparing warchest information that was in the screenshot with their own.[/quote]
    They did, however by that time Impero had already made up his mind about war and was not receptive to further input, per these logs:[quote][2011-01-18 11:16:38] <Dajobo|NpO|> hey Impero you have a minute?
    [2011-01-18 12:00:28] <Impero[VE]> im not sure what their is to talk about
    [2011-01-18 12:01:36] <Dajobo|NpO|> not a lot really but you can decide what you think or you can have full and unedited logs of every word said
    [2011-01-18 12:01:47] <Impero[VE]> but ill ask anyway: do you have some sort of amazing explaination for your dealings with lennox?
    [b][2011-01-18 12:02:25] <Dajobo|NpO|> nothing amazing but the truth if you want it
    [2011-01-18 12:03:02] <Impero[VE]> i have the truth already
    [2011-01-18 12:03:09] <Impero[VE]> in that case, i need to be afk again
    [2011-01-18 12:03:14] <Impero[VE]> have a good night[/b]
    [2011-01-18 12:05:32] <Dajobo|NpO|> Ok your call, you will be the one who looks like a fool though.
    [2011-01-18 12:05:39] <Dajobo|NpO|> goodnight.[/quote]

  25. Declaration of War From the Viridian Entente

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    [quote name='Dochartaigh' timestamp='1295339151' post='2580888']i would say that Dajabo seeking out Impero to tell VE that they had a spy is pretty damning evidence that Dajabo was not some sort of mastermind in this little spy operation. but let's just forget about this tiny piece of info because it pretty much crumbles this "rock" solid CB VE has.[/quote]
    Psssh, you should know by now that the truth is only applicable when convenient to those with the power to "do something about it". :v:

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