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Contesting the state of New York. Please mark it disputed until a resolution is reached.
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[quote][[01:55] <Owned-You> Anyways, what do you have in mind in terms of the New York story? Since your a new player here with some potential I want to work with you to create a good story.
[01:56] <Westaxe> Well I read your DoE today. Unfortunately, I see your potentially nation and mine as polar opposites
[01:57] <Westaxe> Members of the Founders served in the old Pravus Ingruo government, for my story, and therefore would have knowledge of the deals the former Empire made with corporations such as MediaCorp.
[01:57] <Westaxe> So they would be exceptionally wary of any corporation claiming to run a country, essentially.
01[02:00] [b]<Owned-You> As it stands the nation will be ran from a corporate standpoint, but the overall long-term composition of the country is in a fluid state. Namely, my original start was going to be creating a liberal democracy...entitled the Manhatten Commune. Essentially a left-wing liberal paradise...but with you using New Yok as the base I had to change everything.[/b]
[02:01] <Owned-You> Francisco and my characters were going to use Lilly as the state industrial facilitor etc.
[02:01] <Owned-You> But with you in there it didn't seem plausible so I just turned it into a corporate based state for now... that isn't long term but just a means to justify having my IC stuff.
[02:02][b] <Owned-You> That all said, did you contact SMH for permission to use members of his old administration?[/b]
[02:05] <Owned-You> Otherwise it may create a potential mess down the road for you...trouble that new players don't need in this game.
[02:07] <Westaxe> I tried contacting Pravus Ingruo, but I was not able to get a response back. I haven't used any of the characters he did, just politicians from his government that were nameless.
[02:07] <Westaxe> In the Empire, it seems there was an entire legislature that never got named
[02:07] <Westaxe> So I used some of those nameless people.
[02:08] [b]<Owned-You> Very well, I don't have a problem with it personally. I'm just trying to save you some potential headaches.
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[02:10] <Westaxe> Whatever you just messaged me, I accidentally closed out of the conversation. Can you resend it?
[02:10] <Owned-You> <Westaxe> So I used some of those nameless people.
[02:10] <Owned-You> <Owned-You> Very well, I don't have a problem with it personally. I'm just trying to save you some potential headaches.
[02:11] <Westaxe> I doubt he"s coming back. And if he does, I'm sure i'll be fine
[02:12] <Owned-You> Eh, old habits die young... considering your youth you might not understand that just yet.
[02:12] <Owned-You> But in time my child... you'll learn the old men always come back in times of IRL boredom.
[02:12] <Owned-You> Which are numberless.
[02:12] <Westaxe> We'll see.
[02:12] <Owned-You> Speaking of which, it is a bit presumptious of me to assume your youth.
[02:13] <Owned-You> So apologies if you aren't young at all.
[02:13] <Westaxe> No worries. I'm in college. Working and internships during the week
[02:14] <Owned-You> Same here.
[02:15] <Owned-You> Anywho, back to the RP matters...
[02:17] <Owned-You> You seem pretty well versed mechanically in regards to how things work in CNRP. Namely how the RP basis of nations is derived from their ingame nations. Correct?
[02:19] <Westaxe> Correct. I've read over the rules and previous conflicts regarding a player's IG size compared to the size of land they want to claim
[02:23] <Owned-You> Good. Your also aware then how a nations in game stats are directly tied into their RP means. Correct? IE: If a nation has 20,000 citizens in game then they may RP an army force of 160,000 in their RP's.
[02:27] <Owned-You> Reason I ask is because I want you to be aware of the fact that from a purely stat based view of things. Your nation wouldn't be able to duke it out with my own and last long if you wanted to do a flat out fight. This isn't a threat so I hope you don't take it as such, but rather making you aware so that you don't do something drastic in regard to my presence in NY.
[02:29][b] <Owned-You> If we are to fight (up to you really) then I'd rather we have it planned out. It's rare these days, given most will throw their muscle around on the little guy. But I don't care for that crap personally...[/b]
[02:30] <Westaxe> I'm well aware of my statistical disadvantage, yes.
[02:33] [b]<Owned-You> Alright, with that in mind what is it you wish to do? If you want to fight for New York we can plan out the details/endings/events/etc.[/b]
[02:33] [b]<Owned-You> Or if you wish to set up some sort of arrangement we could do that as well.[/b]
[02:34] [b]<Owned-You> I'll leave it for you to decide.[/b]
[02:35] <Westaxe> It was never my intention to fight. I had planned one growing the United States through diplomatic means. Using words as weapons, if you will. While I am confident I could write well enough to hold my own against most here, statistically it is not a winnable fight.
[02:36] * Owned-You Nods
[02:38] <Westaxe> Using this map as I guide ([url="http://www.digital-topo-maps.com/county-map/new-york-county-map.gif"]http://www.digital-t...-county-map.gif[/url]) I propose everything from Rockland and Westechester county south remain with me, everything north remain with you.
[02:40] <Owned-You> Eh, no can do my friend. Neither of us would be able to RP the way we intend in a divided manner such as that. Not to mention the bulk of population and the allure to New York state (NYC) lay in the regions you'd like to control.
[02:41] <Owned-You> I have a counter proposal though.
[02:43] <Owned-You> If you are willing to re-roll (a term commonly used in our community to signify a nation choosing a new land to RP) any place in North America I would be willing to work in conjunction with your government. IC'ly I would protect it from aggressors and would be assailants and allow you the means to grow IC.
[02:44] <Owned-You> OOC'ly I would also make a promise to you that should I ever decide to leave CNRP. I would pass the state of New York to your control should you so desire it.
[02:45] <Owned-You> Given your youth as a nation my IG stats backing you would provide you a degree of freedom much more useful then most. Not to mention it will give you time to build up your own assets and ultimatly provide you with a greatder degree of freedom in RP down th road.
[02:46] <Westaxe> Unfortunately, that is unacceptable to me as well. What sort of power would a government have if they up and left to move someplace else? None. I have been reasonable, dividing up half the state's population in an area that I claimed IC first. Your counter-proposal is for me to simply leave? That is not a counter-proposal at all.
[02:51][b] <Owned-You>[/b] [b]I feel I've been reasonable as well my friend. IC you did claim the area first, I cannot dispute that. OOC'ly however I arranged it prior to you arrival. Which has always been a custom in the game. While ultimately OOC actions don't trump IC actions. It signfies intent...your actions are the equivelent to pulling into a parking space just as I shifted gears to enter it. As such I cannot simply part with my original intents because you managed to post a topic a mere hours before my own...in fact I lost quite a bit of writting in being forced to alter my original IC declaration.[/b]
[02:51] <Owned-You> Surely you must understand my conflict here?
[02:52] <Westaxe> And as I've stated, it's a horrible custom for the game, and this is the only community I've ever seen that has such a custom.
[02:53] <Owned-You> That is entirely debatable for a number of reasons... but it's ultimately pointless to argue over that aspect of it. It's a non issue in regards to the RP.
[02:53] <Westaxe> Asking someone to leave is hardly reasonable. If that is your only offer, then we have nothing further to discuss and we'll see how this plays out IC'ly. I will not be bullied out of a plot of land simply because I inadvertently messed up some plans you had for open land.[02:56] <Owned-You> Hmm... while I feel entirely reasonable in asking that you consider RP'ing another place in North America. (Maine, Vermont, & New Hampshire all being open. With the latter two being perfectly sized for your ig capabilities) Under my nations protection so that you may grow with an OOC agreement to turn over New York should I ever leave CNRP. If your unwilling to do this then such is life I suppose... but I feel you're really turning down a golden opportunity here.
[02:56] <Owned-You> That said, I have another offer if your willing to consider it.
[03:00] [b]<Owned-You> Although you hinted towards your apprehension to work with my government. I would gladly consider merging your government/nation into my own. Essentially a merger of sorts. In this aspect you would hold positions within it and allowed the same normal developments of a nation. In this way we will avoid a conflict and this would permit you the freedom to RP within New York to a certain degree. (I couldn't allow you to run rampant declaring wars and all though.)[/b]
[03:02] <Westaxe> So my two options are "get out" or "become a part of my nation"? No wonder you guys have trouble keeping new players here. I'll take my chances.
[03:05] <Owned-You> I did not use the words
[03:05] <Owned-You> Well not the former ones.
[03:06] <Westaxe> No, you said "re-roll to any place in North America". Forgive me for parsing out the BS and saying what you actually meant.
[03:08] [b]<Owned-You> You're being needlessly hostile. If I wanted to you "out" in the first place I wouldn't have been trying to set up a story or agreement here with you.[/b]
[03:08] <Owned-You> I would have simply forced you out from the start.
103:08] <Owned-You> If you want me to bend my back to accomodate your status as a newbie then you'll find me unreasonable to those demands.
[03:08] <Westaxe> Your "stories" make zero sense in the IC context of the world.
[03:09] <Westaxe> Why would a government willingly leave an area they had just declared independence in, or join a government who, aside from also claiming the land they already previously claimed, has a structure and goals that run directly counter to theirs?
[03:10] <Westaxe> I offered a perfectly fair and reasonable split of the state.
[03:10] <Westaxe> My offer stands. Yours are not under consideration.
[03:12][b] <Owned-You> If your idea of resonable entails me parting with a city that IRL is home to 8 million people, along with Yonkers which holds another 195k to a nation that has just declared its existence and a player who's only just started playing then I must question your definition of reasonable.[/b]
[03:13] <Owned-You> With that being said, see you on the battlefield.
[03:13] <Westaxe> You mean a city that in RP probably has somewhere between 2 and 4 million and Yonkers, which is a ghost town? Along with Long Island, which was depopulated to make it a military facility? Syracuse, Rochester, Buffalo, and Albany were the major population centers of Pravus Ingruo's nation. Or are you just planning to ignore RP history?
[03:18] <Owned-You> Your living in the past. While PI's nation held New York for years and years there is no basis to suggest or presume the future inhabitants must continue to RP the land under the conditions set by a now defunct state. Long island depopulated you say? It can be repopulated once more. Your presumptious in assuming one must follow the footsteps of PI or live in it's shadow my friend.
[03:20] <Westaxe> It CAN be repopulated, but it is not at this moment. I am talking the state of the land currently. I offered a majority of the land area, and population. You chose to reject it because you are not getting everything you want.
[03:20] <Westaxe> And that's your choice. But it's a choice that everyone will see.
03:23] <Owned-You> No, you offered the state of the land held by Pravus Ingruo. There have been a number of states that have since inhabited New York state. The history of PI does not dictate the land. I'm making a choice to not be dictated by those terms nor hold up my own RP'ing aims to suit the history of a ghost state.
[03:25] <Westaxe> Which large states have held the land not as a protectorate? Which have developed the land since Pravus Ingruo?
[03:26] <Westaxe> I haven't seen a single one.
[03:26] <Westaxe> You are simply throwing a fit because you have not gotten your own way and your ultimatums have not been answered. I came to compromise and work out a solution. It is obvious that you did not.[b] [/b]I am done talking.
[03:29] <Owned-You> I'm not throwing any fits sir, I came to find a solution as well and have offered a number of solutuions. You offered one, which I denied. Now your throwing a fit and storming off with your toy and kicking up sand along the way... I offered you protection and friendship. But you do not seek it. Very well. We'll have it your way, Westaxe.
[03:32] <Westaxe> Your "solutions" consisted of me leaving or giving up my freedom as an RP'er. Neither would be acceptable to any sane player. You feel that you can throw your weight around simply because you have been here longer. You are wrong.
[03:35][b] <Owned-You> If that is your interpretation of events then so be it. I cannot help but question your sanity in such a case though. You seem to ignore the fact that I offered to protect you as an independent nation elsewhere or as a merged state. You also ignore the fact that I offered to give you New York shold I ever decide to leave. Clearly, I'm some brute throwing his weight around whilst also giving these assurances of protection and the land desired.[/b]
[03:36] <Owned-You> Frankly, this narrative your trying to portray could not be any more laughable.
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I took the liberty to bold the portions I found exceptionally deplorable on me end...Furthermore, it would be remiss to omit my closing marks. Clearly the record should reflect I am the embodiment of evil... [img]http://forums.cybernations.net/public/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif[/img]
Or rather the logs will reflect that I began my conversation in a friendly manner offering help and advice taking considerations to make sure you were aware of your potential actions through and through and offering you protection, guidance, and other pleasantries. As I said at the end this bully narrative is laughable. Don't expect me to coddle to your demands just because your a new player here. If you had been friendly I may have been willing to divide the land but along other means. (As noted in the logs, the Manhatten Commune would in practice only need the areas you claimed to justify the name.) Instead, you were hostile for most of the conversation and it was only until I could bear no more of it did I end the pleasantries as you attempted to play out on this little "victim" story.
If you want to be belligerent and hostile then so be it. But don't claim to be the victim in such circumstances and expect the community to believe this slander. -
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[/center][center][i]National Flag of Vinsalia[/i][/center][center]
[/center]A television set flickered on "Put on the news" John Jackson had just gotten home from work at the local office. It was 5:30 pm he'd gotten home just in time for the world news to begin. He would watch it every day like clock-work... a modern man through and through. Except tonights news was different. "Dad come quick." John would walk to the living room and sit down. "Hmm...your right. I wonder what it could be?" Instead of the local news going over a variety of stories in studio the only thing being shown was the newsroom and a red ticker running at the bottom of the screen that said "Breaking News Imminient." John would sit for another minute or so before a quick commercial break broke the silence. "Goddamn...whatever it is better be important. They were going to highlight the quarterly earnings report tonight!" Suddenly the commercials would end and a live feed would be shown. In the backdrop was the large Lilly Group facility that had been under construction for the last 6 months. "Hmmm..." A tall man would be seen walking up to the poduium as the camera zoomed in on his face for a close up as the man begun to speak.
"Citizens of the world. I stand before you today at the site of Lilly Groups newest development. But that is not the news I wish to unveal before you. I stand on the footsteps of the newly christened Excal Center. To proclaim an idea." The man would pause and stare deeply into the camera...his brown eyes nearly piercing through to the millions of viewers around the world.
"Years ago, a nation stood in perfect unison with business. I speak of Sostra Holdings of course and their roll in Sri Lanka and later, Ceylon. Sostra Holdings took the idea of a corporation and seemlessly fused it into a governing body. From this point, it presided over some of the worlds most advanced developments in our century...the regions under it's control prospered." Pausing and looking back at the building behind him, he would point to a marble slab standing in the front courtyard with the company words. "Progressio est victoria"
"Now, on this day I present to you the newest incarnation of that dream. I present to you the newly born capital of Vinsalia. It is our intent to revive this dream of a Corporate state working in conjunction with a region for the good of it's people. Not in the name of profit."
"I stand before you here today to answer the precibus of the common man. The pleas of the working man, the weary man. Allow us to lead them out of the shadows of the former Empire and into a new golden age. Let us bring progress to the state of New York and benefit mankind as a whole." The man would sharply turn to the cameras and deeply stare into it.
"I, Francisco Bourbon humbly ask the nations of Greenland & the American Commonwealth to recognize our nation as the rightful government of this land. I stand here before the world asking the same...only through progress may victory for mankind be achieved and it is my deepest hope that Vinsalia may achieve the first step towards that progress today." Francisco would step down from the stage as the cameras shut off before returning to his office. The first step in the name of progress was underway, now the international scene would be left to judge his words and react.
John Jackson would simply sit in silence for minutes, when he left the office that day he did not envision being within miles of a new nations capital. Nor did he imagine the breaking news would be the unveiling of Vinsalia. "I'm going to drive down there and see who's these fellows are who would presume to rule this land." John had his apprehensions...knowing that nations rise and fall on a consistent basis in this world. With the capital of it being only 15 miles from his home...should the international scene react with hostility his home, his family, his life, and his world would be in danger. It had been a decade since he put down a rifle and took up the pen to write as a legal correspondent for the local newspaper. But his combination of analytical and technical skills could be useful in understanding how realistic this Lilly Group was in taking control of the land.
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[Quote]Diplomatic Message to Greenland & the American Commonwealth
Regarding the status of New York
Greetings,
It is our hope to gain your express recognition and approval in ruling the lands of New York. We feel we can serve the region well with our leadership and administrative skills we as a corporation have holdings in a number of fields and can transfer our skill-set to aide in the growth of this region. For years your respective administrations have been tasked with keeping the region protected and afloat, you've done a brilliant job as it's stewards. But now we humbly ask for the reigns to ushur in a new era of prosperity, one that only a government with our experience and expertise could fufill.
Signed,
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Enrique listened intently before speaking. "Trust me, I've tried to get him to come back home before...I didn't want him to leave in the first place. But it's just something he has to do I suppose... he's chasing the shadow of the life he would have lived had I not abdicated the throne. I cannot blame him for it, it ultimately is my fault for placing him in a situation where he's constantly grappling for success in life. To a degree he's attained it with his business; Lilly Group. But I thank you for offering him another bed should he need one. It is my hope his next adventure proves a bit more stable for all things concerned...otherwise I fear he may have bigger issues then bedding to worry about. With that being said, I thank you for considering the request Marcela...I will be watching the news to learn of the success or failure of your actions. In either case, I thank you for considering it...Good night Mareclla."
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CN has truly lost one of it's most influential players today... My deepest condolences to Moo's family and friends.
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Francisco and the members of his inner circle would be referred to as the "Command Committee" within the newly restructed Lilly Group. For all intents and purposes they were the the leadership and most experienced minds inside of Lilly Group and the now defunct Republic of Indianapolis. As they set foot within the facility work would begin immediately as the men of Lilly set forth on their task. To win over the state of New York and to finally build a nation of their own. A meeting of the Command Comitte was called into action within a hours of their initial landing as they went about setting their goals for the task at hand.
"Gentlemen, this is where our revolution begins. Look around at the faces gathered around us here... we are the nucleus of this idea. An idea that has long since been dormant in the former United States. The idea that a state and a business can be fused into one symbiotic entity. Not since Sostra Holdings built up Sri-Lanka and later Ceylon has the world seen a nation operate with this flawless relationship."
"One mearly need to read history and learn that this model of governence is superior to most. Sostra presided over some of the worlds most innovative developments in our century and lead the once poor and defunct areas of the world into a period of prosperity and affulence that has yet to be rivaled. Simply put gentlemen, Lilly Group should take up this mantle and build up so that one day we may become the model of this modern fusion of industry and innovation."
Francisco would pull out a document and place it on the long-table. "Entailed within is the founding document of a restructed organization...into a corporate state. I have taken the time to draft a statement to the world at large. Expousing our principles, ideals, and intent. With your approval I will release the statement within the hour."
"We came here to build a country gentlemen...let us begin the deed." With those closing remarks the Command Committee would begin putting their plans into action. -
As has been noted earlier. We'll be handling it through IC means. I've begun setting up the narrative from my own end using up the stuff I'd been planning previously.
Westaxe, I'll look for you on IRC so we can discuss how the story unfolds and set up a good narrative for this all to play out. -
I don't think any changes are needed personally... if the majority of the populace wills it then so be it. But I think it is a small segment of people calling for this action. Voodoo is also correct in saying we cannot force Sargun to give up the channel if he doesn't want too. For all intents and purposes he could use #cnrp as anything he wants. We are not entitled to controlling it and I find it distasteful to suggest that we somehow should be given ownership of it. It's fine to ask him for it, but I disagree entirely with trying to pry it from his possession.
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Somewhere over New York State
The G-650 seemed to buckled over a stretch of airspace as the captain on board would announce on the intercom system "This is your captain speaking we're about 75 miles away from the destination. We're hitting a small stretch of turbulence. Nothing to worry about. Over." Vincent would only look out the window to the ground below... as the waters of the great lakes grew further and further away...he was entranced by the clouds beside and scenary below.
"Vincent." A voice shouted to him from the room.
"Huh?" His gaze transfixed on the voice from the backroom.
"Come with me to the discussion center...it it time we discuss things." Francisco would arise and reveal himself as the speaker as he lead Vincent Hawkins into the planes small office space. "Please, take a seat."
"Last time we spoke I elluded to my plans for our new venture without properly proclaiming the details or reasons why...allow me to be concrete with you now. We are headed to New York State, specifically Albany. Months ago, I had authorized a black-budget venture to create a new division of Lilly Group there... except this wasn't a conventional business expansion or office building. Rather, it was to be the spark of our revolution."
"For months and months our profits were being stored from our Indianapolis gains with this goal in mind. We knew Indianapolis would never be a stable state... even if we had our hopes. It isn't a slight to your leadership but rather a simple deduction based on history. A populace cannot be ruled where disunity rears its head. Thus the factionalism that the cities displayed would have brought it all down eventually. So we sought to make our profits and prepare our eventual escape to more stable pastures."
"Which is why we selected New York state. A region of land that has seen it's populace held in esteem as the vaunted capital of Pravus Ingruo. Additionally serving as a capital of commerce and the world in large under the visage of the previous United States of America eons ago." Francisco would pause before opening a briefcase pulling out a map of New York State.
"As you can see, Albany is and remains a strategically vital part of the state given it's centralized position in the state. It provides a means to the greater part of the state and its most strategically valuable assets. In short, all roads lead to Albany...at least where New York state is concerned. Thus, our plane is headed to our private airstrep located within the Lilly compound we constructed in the outskirts of the city. People have not had any idea what the facilities purpose is, many of the natives speculating that it is some sort of factory facility... they are completely unware of it's contents."
"You likely noted the broadcast orginating from New York City of the apparent "Founders" who have proclaimed a reborn United States of America...we had previously heard rumors of the group but never did we take their presence as a real threat. They represent a small niche of people who seem bent on rebuilding the United States. It is... idealistic to a fault and flies in the face of what the Empire previously stood. Simply put, don't be alarmed by these extremists." Vincent would smile and nod at the remark. "But they are there nontheless... what shall be done?"
Francisco would grin before bringing up a screen on his nearby LCD display. "You see, the Albany facility was a large HQ building fit for an army. An army, paid and provided for from all the corners of the world... armed and equipped with the armaments we'd developed for our use. The same weapons and armaments being geared for the Republic were also being used for our consumption. In a sense, you could say we were building our own army in conjunction with the Republic. Except, we gave you the scraps of while we kept the premium product. For months we would import " foreign labor" to help in the construction of the facility...when in reality we we're flying in wholesale mercenary fighting groups from the various defunct armies of the world...former members of the Empires own army itself were counted in large part among them." Francisco would continue his grin. "You see... this was a masterstroke planned ahead of time."
The G-650 would roar again as the plane quaked from a violent burst of turbulence... seconds later the captain would speak once more. "We are now descending to the lz sir." Francisco would simply look to Vincent before finishing. "Buckle up my friend, we have much work ahead of us in the coming days..." -
Personally, I don't see the major issue. I don't mind Sarguns presence as the Channel Operator and in the rare occasions I've been kicked or banned it lasted only minutes. Maybe this is my extreme derision to learning a new channel name speaking, but typing /j #cnrp is much easier then some long-winded channel name for someone who doesn't auto join every channel. Until Sargun's rampantly issuing k/b's I don't really see the need to change our standard channel. Ultimately, I'll be fine with whatever happens.
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Enrique would speak with an almost sardonic tone. "For all his brilliance he's yet to manifest it in any concrete ways. It seems he is always building things up only to watch them fall... I cannot help but wonder if it's my own faults bearing their fruits." He would pause slightly clearing his throat with an almost uneasy tone. "Francisco had a large hand in recent news. No doubt you've heard of the situation in the former Republic of Indianapolis...well to put it simply. Francisco ordered it's dissolution in the hopes of a democratic election to occur. But he did not expect for order collapse completely as the warlord mentality took over the state. He's fled along with trusted members of his inner circle. But that isn't the issue...the fact is the Bourbon name could be implicated in this and we cannot afford the stain it will place on the name...I know it's a big favor to ask but if you could somehow convince President Calzada to send troops to secure the territory and expunge the details of Francisco's involvement you would save me quite a bit of heartache...it's ironic that here I am after all these years since Westington requesting you to save my name." Enrique would let out an awkward laugh in an attempt to mask his discomfort with the whole situation before finishing. "Well...what are your thoughts?"
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Welcome to CNRP, I'm glad to see another interested player coming to join it. However, I had already made arrangement to RP in New York. As you noted, it is customary to request the lands from their protectors in an OOC fashion before declaring things IC'ly. Hence why I must ask you to cease your roll there... with that being said we could RP some stuff there to make an interesting story between us. Just look for me on IRC if you're interested.
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"Father, I've left Indiana... no doubt you've heard the news as of late." Enrique would simply listen "...it was a first step." Francisco would finally cease talking and Enrique would begin. "You've made quite the mess you know... our name if news ever got out that you had a hand in the dissolution of the state you'll bring shame to our name." Francisco would speak in apologetic tones. "I know... it was rash of me. What would you have me do though? At this point the ball has been rolling...no going back now." Enrique would continue. "I don't want you to do a damned thing. Leave it to me." Enrique would hang up the phone visibly annoyed by his sons careless actions... no doubt while his son had a wealth of knowledge and foresight he had miscalculated in making a sudden exit from Indiana. But it wasn't a disaster, Enrique could make a phone call to an old friend and have this potential stain erased from the books.
Enrique would wait for what seemed like hours on the ringtone which had truly only been going for a matter of seconds. A familiar voice beckoned him from the other end. "Marcela, when was the last time we spoke? Not since that matter at the Westington I believe?" He would let out a light chuckle and continue. "Well... I have that favor to call on now." -
(OOC: Did you clear this with Jed/Ty & MostGloriousLeader? They own the territory and you' need permission from them beforehand. Not to mention I just spoke to them about RP'ing New York...)
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(OOC: I made arrangements with Voodoo last night to take over control of the protectorate later on last night... so feel free to RP this stuff up until Voodoo arrives. Unless you wanna fight him about it.
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Pssssh, USBR may as well have been Philosophers doppelganger...I'd welcome either of them at this point. -
"What would you suggest then? Assasinations don't go over well publically and privately men will hold scorn against us." Vincent would continue. "Frankly, the people want democracy and I am not inclined to give them any of it." Francisco would simply listen to his partners concerns. "When I made this arrangement of ours it wasn't in the name of promoting a 200 year dictatorship." Vincent looked perplexed. "Our arrangement was one made to insure stability for the nation... and promote both of our aims." Francisco would reply. "Well a hell of a job you've done on your end of the bargain... Indianapolis is full of tension, the senators are plotting a coup and here you sit groveling for my support." Francisco would pause taking a sip of water from his glass. "Effective immediately our agreement is terminated. Indianapolis isn't going to sustain itself, that much is obvious." Vincent would speak up in a defeated tone. "Agreed, but I will not mearly be cast aside like a pawn on the table... if you intend on taking me down I can assure you I'll burn you along wi-" Francisco would interrupt "I don't, I intend on bringing you into the fold..."
The two would continue speaking for some hours before First Legate Vincent Hawkins left the headquarters building. The records would reflect that sometime that evening Legate Hawkins would make an impassioned speach to the open senate floor inside the governing district of Indianapolis. By the end of that night his position as Legate would be resignated and the Republic of Indianapolis as it was previously known had all but expired. Nobody knew what had happened to the most of the senior leadership of the government but within a few short hours the Republic fragmented back into its previous state as the Republic fell and the city states were renewed.
Legate Hawkins and his most trusted advisors had arrived within two days in the outskirts of Fort Wayne at a presumed abandoned airfield. "Nobody is here...it's desolate. Now what?" Vincent would not acknowledge the musing of his subordinate and only pulled out his cell phone and made a call. "We're here...where are you Frank?" A minute later a G-650 would appear from the sky and land at the air-strip. "You didn't think I had forgotten you had you? We have a contract." Within minutes Vincent Hawkins, his leadership & the billionaire Francisco Bourbon would depart for new lands with the wealth of Lilly behind them.
The Republic of Indianapolis was dissolved and swept underneath the currents of civil disunity. But the minds that brought much promise to it lived on; en route to new pastures. -
[quote name='Voodoo Nova' timestamp='1341359751' post='3002893']
Dear Harry Weston,
I will be glad to arrange a meeting with my Undersecretary, Francisco Leopoldo de Rosenzweig Mendialdua. Foreign commerce is under his purview, and he will have similar authority over such discussions. Please inform us of your diplomatic itinerary prior to arriving to Mexico, so we can make the proper accommodations.
Signed,
Bruno Francisco Ferrari Garcia de Alba
Secretary of the Economy
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Due to recent developments Legate Hawkins will no longer be able to attend. However, I have been given express powers to act on his behalf in light of his absence. Currently, our cargo will total four Republican Guard for our personal security and my own secretary Erick Fredrickson will be in attendance to aide me. We will be flying on a specially designated G-750 with an IFF signal "Kodiak."
I look forward to meeting with your Undersecretary to discuss this economic partnership.
-Harry Weston
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The G-750 would depart later on that evening with the diplomatic passengers on board. Soaring at speeds of Mach 1.4 it would arrive within Mexican air-space in just a few hours. Her crew would inform the passengers of their entry into Mexico and as her Captain would make contact with Mexican airspace officials. "This is the G-750 Kodiak. Requesting an escort to designated landing space. Over." -
PD, many of the statements you make on IRC don't exactly endear you to people... but I can understand the frustration you feel with these battles. Enjoy the time off and recollect yourself, then come back full swing. Otherwise it would be a blow to CNRP to lose you as your one of the more interesting characters here.
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Goodbye old friend. Best of luck in the adventures you'll face in life.
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With Indianapolis expanding to acquire the territory of Illinois the budding Republic acquired a large expanse of territory and resources to add to it's base. It already produced significant amounts of coal & steel but with the addition of Illinois production of these two resource centers would expand significantly. Additionally, it meant the growth of it's agricultural sector as well as a member of the Wheat belt of the United States. It was with this in mind that Legate Hawkins would inquire to his contacts with arranging an economic treaty with Mexico. It was determined that Mexico's vast territorial holdings and standing in the Americas would insure a powerful trading partner capable of supplying resources to Indianapolis while also being able to benefit from energy production & pharmaceutical products. A message would be sent to Mexico to arrange a meeting between their respective statesmen.
[quote]Diplomatic Message to: Mexico
Regarding: Trade Relations
From: Harry Weston Chief of Economic Affairs
Greetings,
On behalf of the Republic of Indianapolis I have been asked to arrange a formal meeting between our nations to discuss a potential economic partnership between our nations. With Mexico's vast resources and assets in the Americas we believe our nation would benefit greatly from entering trade relations with your state. Additionally, we have a number of resources in the energy & medical fields that could benefit Mexico. We believe there is a foundation between our nations to form a mutually beneficial trade agreement between our nations. With this in mind, if acceptable we wish to fly our head of state Legate Vincent Hawkins to meet with President José Calzada to discuss this partnership.
I eagerly await your response.
-Harry Weston[/quote] -
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/05/Flag_of_Indianapolis.svg/500px-Flag_of_Indianapolis.svg.png[/img]
[b]Basic Information[/b]
National Name: The Republic of Indianapolis
Population: 18,640,000
Capital City: Indianapolis
Government Type: Pseudo Republic
Territories: Indiana, Illinois.
Georgraphy: Great Lakes to the North with a mix of forests and open plains throughout the nation. Hills dot the landscape in the western portions of the nation.
Resources: Timber, coal, petroleum, steel, corn, soybeans, hogs, cattle, dairy products, wheat, pharmaceuticals and medical devices, automobiles, electrical equipment, transportation equipment, chemical products, rubber and factory machinery.
[b]Important Information[/b]
Age Distribution: 33% (0-18) 64% (18-55) 3%(55-100)
Religious Information: Secular/Mixed
State Languages: English
Currency: Republican Dollar
GDP: 6.2 Trillion Dollars
Tax Rate: 33%
Treaties: None
[b]
Basic Military Statistics[/b]
Active Duty Personal: 1,460,760 Soldiers
-Republican Army: 700,000
-Republican Marines: 340,000
-Republican Special Forces: 40,320
Reserve Duty Personal: 7,500,000
-Republican Army: 8,500,000
-Republican Marines: 2,000,000
Republican Air Force
Total Fighter: 960
Total Bombers: 300
Republican Navy
Total Ships: 96
-Aircraft Carrier: 7
-Submarines: 35
-Destroyers: 8
-Frigates: 8
-Battleships: 7
-Cruisers: 7
-Landing Ships: 10
-Corvettes: 10 -
Lilly Group Central
Indianapolis Indiana
*Beep Beep Beep Beep Beep* the sound of Francisco's alarm clock broke the silence of peace brought by sleep. It was the morning of Lilly Groups most momentous occasion; a moment crafted by his own hands. As the architect of the companies creation and the prime mind behind the innovations being crafted by her research department he was a man of immense talent. Yet even on this day he could not help but feel some aprehensions...while he was supremely confident a deal would be etched in ink by the nights end he still had his butterflies. As he began the day in the same routine he'd always been accustomed too. Stepping into the kitchen and crafting himself an omellete & bacon, just as his mother had taught him when he was a boy. As he ate his food solemnly composing his plans of action he thought to himself. "Now to see if I can deliver the coup de grace and seal this deal." As he finished his meal he stepped into the restroom and took a quick shower before dressing into a nicely tailored pin-stripe suit. "One cannot step into war without his armor." In Francisco's mind a business room was no different then a field of battle, or a game of chess. There were pieces to be moved, observations to be made, feints to counteract, and ambushes to set. Over the past two days Francisco had gone about setting the pieces for the field of play and now the hour was ripe for his final move to be made. "Checkmate." he muttered as he looked himself in the mirror.
Hours later the meeting would begin...an intimate small setting without the mass of men that had previously viewed the room. Pre-set conditions had been made that the final business deal would be conducted between the two men central to the deal. Francisco Bourbon & Legate Vincent Hawkins. As per Legate Hawkins personal request the two would be alloted 1 hour and 40 minutes to iron out the final details of the arrangement stating "If this isn't enough time, then this partnership will not be in our interests." Legate Hawkins was a man of few words, preffering actions over debate and more often then not having his way with lesser men. But Francisco was different...the two had their skirmishes throughout the meeting. Exchanging intellectual shots at one another; probing and proding for weaknesses and traits that could be exploited. Both men were of a calculating and coordinated nature. Thus with the days main bout finally begining it would be an interesting discussion between the two... even with his plans to accept a contract he was determined to probe a bit more. Always analysing for weaknesses Vincent would not satisfy Francisco with a quick decision nor a contract worth billions of Republican dollars.
Entering the sound-proof conference room Vincent would take a seat directly adjacent from Francisco. Francisco would greet Vincent as he entered the room rising from his seat and embracing Legate Hawkins hand in a firm grasp. He would then speak.
"Shall we begin"
"Lets."
"Not a man to mince words?"
"I find my words are precious and need not be wasted with idle chatter."
"I envy that. I am a man forced to engage in false pleasantries with old men who's opinions I value less then most."
With an air of sarcasm in his voice Vincent would respond "How chilling. Please tell me more."
Francisco would only nod and laugh. "Well done." sliding a series of documents over to Vincent.
"I don't know where you do business but it's usually customary for the party sitting in my position to make an initial offer..."
Francisco would not acknowledge the statement. "Just read it."
Vincent would ponder the meaning of the document. "Is this some sort of joke? An error perhaps?"
Francisco would calmly retort. "I have never made an error before. Nor am I one for foolsplay."
Vincent would sit quietly...entirely confused. Alarmed at the fact he had been disarmed so easily and more importantly being toyed with by an exceedingly potent mind.
Francisco would break the silence. "Vincent please, your dissapointing me. It's really quite obvious."
Vincent continued to stare at the bottom of the document...everything else was in order. A blank acquistions form where he could input the amount of units he needed per each item...but the bottom where the final total would be held contained something peculiar. A slash in deep black ink. He thought to himself "This certainly cannot be..."
Francisco would finally outright entail the meaning. "Simply put, name your orders and you'll receive them free of charge...the expression on your face demands an answer as to why. I'll oblige your request. I intend to help build this nation alongside you, consider me a voice in your air and a guiding hand at your back. Years ago I was bred to lead a nation and had it robbed from my hands by my fathers own foresight. I have built up a resource base in Indianapolis and now I shall empower you to build us an Empire."
Vincent would listen keenly, unsure if he could trust the words coming out of Francisco's mouth. It was true that he was at one point a Prince of New Spain & heir to the throne...but his family dissolved its monarchy and he himself disavowed his status in the royal line. But in the days leading to their fateful encounter he had gained a good idea of when Francisco was being serious and when he was joing around. This was no joke.
Francisco would continue. "I understand this may seem infeasible and outlandish. But I assure you it is all within my capabilities and well within my rights to conduct."
Vincent would finally speak. "With your support, I will carve out a nation fit for us... but I warn you. Do not slight me."
Francisco simply nodded and smiled. "Of course...there is but one thing. The terms of our agreement must remain our secret. You are to never reveal the contents of our arangement nor the reasons why I have done this. Outside of this meeting we will not speak to one another face to face for sometime given we are both busy men. But I want your solemn oath that you will keep me in the loop regarding major decisions and likewise I will provide you with the same information Lilly gathers."
Vincent would stand up and extend his own hand to shake Francisco's; just as Francisco had done earlier...signfying the equality the two would share but for a moment. "That is agreeable. You have my oath."
Francisco would shake Vincents hand and give him a small cellular device. "This has been encoded to work only for you on a secure line. It can contact me from any location at any moment in time...one last thing. I'll have the first units of the order up within three months. I'll have the full order completed within the next two years. I swear it."
With that in mind the meeting would be adjorned and the two would step out of the conference room to an entourage of officials from both camps waiting in the wakes. They would both conjure up stories of how stubborn the other would be in negotiations while offering no details of the arrangement...mearly acknowledging that one was in place... As Francisco lead his aides into the conference room he would issue orders to Lilly Tech for production to begin full scale immediately. Given the relative confidence Francisco had in the arrangement he had already begun allocations the necessary technical designers, materials and manpower needed to begin full scale production within the month. It was his flourishing move... -
Please add the former territories of The Republic of Chicago to the superior Republic of Indianapolis!
The Birth of Progress
in Fantasy RP (IC)
Posted
[Private]
Command Commitee Emergency Session
"Gentlemen, no doubt you have heard the latest news originating out of Hero City? Evidently a small outfit of men and women have gone about proclaiming themselves the fifth Republic of the United States." Francisco would pause awaiting a response.
"What of it? Let them play their games... it's no different then the environmentists and other groups petitioning for support." Francisco would look up and glare at Vincent. "No you fool, they've gone about and begun closing off Manhatten. They have gone far beyond mere petitions...they've seized the territory." The room would hold in an uneasy silence as the statement issued by the "Fifth" would be put on a nearby screen. The idea that a cadre of fellows could seek to enclose the a key site to Vinsalia's nationhood and defame her declaration was telling.
"Furthermore, they have issued a statement to Greenland, the American Commonwealth, and the world as a whole to demonize our declaration and prevent out state from becoming a reality." A chuckle of laughter would be heard from a corner table. The whole room would seem to glare in the direction.
"I'm- uh I'm sorry it's just...am I the only one who finds it ironic that this state has gone about to expouse the values of freedom. Yet it's first act had been to close off the island of Manhatten from the greater world. Without receiving official recognition from Greenland or the American Commonwealth for that matter." Charles Godfried former Magister of War was a brilliant man when it came to military affairs, his almost sadistic pleasure held when it came to war was only matched by his interest in geopolitics.
"I'm just saying... their actions thus far are tantamount to terrorists seizing an entire city while claiming a facade of freedom. It's politics by the gun...and usually ends along similiar means." The room would seemingly agree with the statement before Francisco would once more speak.
"Yes, I agree... I will draft a counter statement denouncing the "Fifth." Additionally, I will send another message to Greenland & the American Commonwealth. Unlike this separatist element I would not presume to take control of lands rightfully under their administration." An hour later Francisco would return with a variety of drafts for the statement. While the Committee itself drafted a diplomatic message to be sent to Greenland & the American Commonwealth and other nations who would support Vinsalia. Both acts would require the unanimous approval of the Committee and after seven revisions in wording, the final documents where released to the world.
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Francisco would make arrangements with the local world news division to make another breaking news broadcast. Much like the one previously issued when he stood announcing the birth of Vinsalia. He would walk up to the podium in long strides. His tall frame exuding with a confidence commanded only by a few in the world. His demeanour had with an obvious tone of seriousness. Gone was the playful grins and exuberance he had once held when making statements regarding Lilly Group. For once in his life, he was completely enthralled with the situation at hand. Not aloof or disinterested with the affairs around him...finally a challenge worthy of his genuis. When he left Mexico all those years ago, he was but a boy... when he left Indianapolis he was a young man. Now, as he left the comfy quarters of the Committee board room he felt himself finally becoming the man he had been born and bred to be all those years ago... This statement he held in hand was no more a decree of Vinsalia as it was as a personal commentary from the man heading Vinsalia as it's Chairmen.
"Five."
"Four."
"Three."
"Two."
"One."
"We're live."
Francisco would gaze deeply into the television camera and speak with a calmness and clarity that only a man bred for leadership could do...
[quote]
Peoples of the World,
We wish to release a statement regarding the element of individuals formally calling themselves the Fifth Republic of the United States of America. Simply put, we wish to implore your nations to withold recognition of this separatist organization that has visciously taken over the Greater Manhatten area. These individuals have done so in a manner tantamont to an outright coup of order. The individuals in the "Fifth" seized the Manhatten territory before the rightful protectors in Greenland and the American Commonwealth formally recognized their rule or our own for that matter.
Nations of the world, I ask you, where is the logic in supporting a nation claiming to stand for freedom that would close off it's borders from all states. The very same state would do so without recognition or approval of established protectors. This very same state, taking away the freedom of choice from citizens within Manhatten that sympothize with the dream of Vinsalia. Tell me, how can a nation claim to be a beacon of light while simultaneously casting itself beneath a veil from the world.
Nations of the Americas, I ask you, where is the logic in supporting the reincarnation of a nation with a viscious history of territorial aggression. A nation that once claimed a "Manifest Destiny" that entitled it to the territories of the Americas. That very same nation would seek to take away your freedoms and achievements as individual states and place it within subservience to this new "America."
Simply put, this Fifth Republic stands on the shoulders of a dark history. One that Pravus Ingruo fought violently to contain... ironic now that in the former territories of Pravus Ingruo would a group claim and seize this history from the shackles of time. I implore you, here and now to hold down pandoras box and not unleash a filth that is destined to destablize an already unstable world.
- Francisco Bourbon
Chairmen of the Vinsalian Comittee[/quote]
With his statments concluded Francisco would return to the Command Commitee to discuss their next moves and await the inevitable response from the world at large.
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[Classified]
[quote]Diplomatic Message to Greenland & the American Commonwealth
From the Committee of Vinsalia
Regarding the "Fifth"
Good Sirs,
No doubt you are aware of the events transpiring in Manhatten. We implore you to recognize our government as the rightful regime in New York state and stand in unison with us in disposing of this hostile regime. We need not point out the fact that the "Fifth" have seized territories and lands rightfully held under your protection. This action was unlawful through and through and sets a precedent ot disorder that will no doubt characterize their rule.
This organization claims to be the Fifth Republic of the United States of America...we need only ask when they seek to press their claims in an attempt to annex the American Commonwealth and remainder of states in North America. If recognized and permitted, we are prepared to work hand in hand with your nations to seek a resolution to this matter. We have the means and manpower to combat this group in a military conflict but will withold such actions unless explicitly permitted by your governments.
Unlike this "Republic" we respect the rule of law and would not presume to act in territory rightfull held by your governments protection. We eagerly await your reply on the matter.
- The Committee of Vinsalia[/quote]
Military elements within Vinsalia would be placed at their highest alert. Military Combat Contractors purchased and under elements of the former Republican command headed by Vincent Hawkins & Charles Godfried would be placed throughout the grounds of the capital facility. Individuals attempting to enter the complex would be barred from doing so by these forces. Additionally, the remainder of these contractors would begin organizing and outfitting themselves for preparations to secure the greater New York territory provided it receive permission from Greenland & the American Commonwealth to do so.