Bower3aj
-
Posts
265 -
Joined
-
Last visited
Content Type
Profiles
Forums
Blogs
Gallery
Posts posted by Bower3aj
-
-
fair enough Mayzie. I do kinda feel for the TFD guys though. I have a [OOC] RL friend [/OOC] that is in TFD. In just over a months time there have been 4 wars and so far he has always been on the second line, and so far the second line has not gotten the chance to fight.
Of course I understand the thought process behind it all. Strategy is not something that can ever be downplayed, but I have to be a little sympathetic. -
[quote name='prince buster' date='05 February 2010 - 01:06 PM' timestamp='1265393160' post='2161695']
loving the nonsense from the foreign division guys about the karma war. Their short memories seem to blanking the fact that they were the first alliance in the war to surrender. lol
[/quote]
[quote name='prince buster' date='05 February 2010 - 02:37 PM' timestamp='1265398666' post='2161892']
Upon hearing that WAPA's allies, The German Empire, had been attacked by The Foreign Division, the decision was made by the highest echelons of WAPA command that the alliance should now enter the conflict known as the Karma War. At 2PM server time - 8pm GMT - WAPA launched attacks on TFD.
A couple of days later, TFD surrendered to WAPA, a terrific result, as TFD were the first alliance to surrender in the Karma War
I should know, as a member of WAPA's Firm, i accepted the surrender.
[/quote]
Dang it WAPA, if you're going to brag about a previous war and claim that the people that surrendered to you are forgetting history you should probably not forget the history that you are referring to.
[url="http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=54849"]TORNs surrender[/url] though some might say they just backed out and didn't surrender. They did agree to pay reps.
[url="http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=55720"]IRAN and UFs surrender[/url], there is no arguing here this is very clearly the first set of terms.
over a day later [url="http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?showtopic=55949"]TFDs surrender[/url] is posted. So depending on how you see it TFD was the third or forth alliance to surrender in the Karma war. -
[quote name='Earl Dumarest' date='05 February 2010 - 02:33 AM' timestamp='1265355213' post='2161135']
Mods, please lock this. It has served its purpose.
[/quote]
the right to ask for this is long gone. The leaders of the world are allowed to keep putting up their opinions of this DoW. -
[quote name='Lord Fingolfin' date='05 February 2010 - 01:55 AM' timestamp='1265352931' post='2161034']
1 Touch Football - Other side
57th Overlanders - not fighting
Aqua Defense Initiative - "My" side
Carpe Diem - not fighting (was on "my" side but got peace)
Christian Coalition of Countries - not fighting (was on "my" side but got peace)
EPIC Nations - fairly certain not fighting
Farkistan - other side
Grand Lodge Of Freemasons - not fighting (was on my side but got peace)
Nueva Vida - not fighting (was on "my" side but got peace)
NUHyperforce - Not fighting
Nusantara Elite Warriors - "My" side
Republic of Aquisgrana - not fighting AFAIK
The Despised Icon - not fighting
The German Empire - not fighting
The Immortals - other side
The Order Of Light - "My" side
Please, if you try to justify bandwagoning onto the winning side, more effective arguments. Four of your allies were on "my" side until Polar peaced out against FOK and \m/, and 3 of our allies are on "my" side. 3 of your allies are on the other side. I'll leave the math to you guys
[/quote]
I feel like there are some fixes. I don't know WAPAs treaties nor do I care enough to look them up, but we'll assume that these are all right minus one:
1 Touch Football - C&G side
57th Overlanders - C&G side
Aqua Defense Initiative - TOP side
Carpe Diem - not fighting
Christian Coalition of Countries - not fighting
EPIC Nations - not fighting
Farkistan - C&G side
Grand Lodge Of Freemasons - not fighting nor treatied with WAPA... but we've covered this
Nueva Vida - not fighting
NUHyperforce - C&G side
Nusantara Elite Warriors - TOP side
Republic of Aquisgrana - not fighting
The Despised Icon - not fighting
The German Empire - not fighting
The Immortals - C&G side
The Order Of Light - TOP side
so off of this list. 5 fighting on C&Gs side, 3 on TOPs side. -
[quote name='Earl Dumarest' date='05 February 2010 - 01:15 AM' timestamp='1265350557' post='2160883']
Correct; I must apologise on behalf of Hassman.
The list he posted is our friends, not our allies. There is some overlap, of course, and he *is* easily confused.
[/quote]
Your apology is of course accepted. Of course, it's the OWF things are confusing enough around here as it is, let alone in a war like this the easily confused might start claiming that TOP is on C&Gs side. It's a strange time we live in. -
[quote name='Hassman' date='05 February 2010 - 12:50 AM' timestamp='1265349015' post='2160677']
Hey, I think you can say nearly every alliance has been tied down because of there treaties.
Our allies:
*snip*
[b]Grand Lodge Of Freemasons[/b]
*snip*
Out of most of them the bigger treaties and the others were on this side.
[/quote]
hello there. I am from the Grand Lodge of Freemasons. We have no treaty with you. -
[quote name='foxfire99' date='05 February 2010 - 12:40 AM' timestamp='1265348422' post='2160597']
Am I imagining things, or have you now been on both sides? If so, it says something about this war.
[/quote]
it depends on when you decide that this war started. If it started with NpO and \m/ then yes. they have. -
[quote name='Captain Canuck' date='05 February 2010 - 12:23 AM' timestamp='1265347419' post='2160466']
Ugh don't remind me. Personally, I didn't get any action that time around
[/quote]
I know a member of TFD quite well. He feels your pain. Trust me. -
much
to auctor and Mayzie. -
have fun Mayzie
-
[quote name='Krack' date='05 February 2010 - 12:15 AM' timestamp='1265346914' post='2160411']
War now.
That is all,
Krack
[i]President of Aloha[/i]
[/quote]
I see what you did there. only 2 more I thought because three would be ostentatious. -
[quote name='Mathias' date='02 February 2010 - 06:43 AM' timestamp='1265111021' post='2152968']
I'd hereby like to nominate Grub for Best Ally of the Year.
Not only does he willingly put his allies in uncomfortable situations diplomatically, he fights on the opposite side of them in a war he caused. Kudos.
[/quote]
ok, I'll admit it. I loled. I do hope you realize the extreme irony of your words Mathias. Grub is fighting on the opposite side of his allies in a war he caused? You realize that it would be true if he switched sides right? But since he stayed on the side he was originally on his allies are fighting on the side opposite of him. Do you get that? I know that they were attacked, but Grub has always been on this side of the war. And as you said he caused this war which means it would be even worse if he switched sides. Besides that since when does his C&G allies think that they are more important than his other allies (re: NSO)?
To those complaining about RoK being screwed, I don't see it that way. RoKs allies are fighting NpOs allies. NpO has a right and an obligation to defend her allies here. This doesn't really put RoK in a tough situation at all. In the war between NpO and GOD they are neutral. That's all there is to it. If they really want to fight they have other allies they can fight for. If anything this makes life easier on them. An alliance should not have to treat their friends friends as friends. That's stupid. If they wanted to be friends with GOD they would have a treaty with GOD. -
[quote name='TypoNinja' date='02 February 2010 - 02:08 AM' timestamp='1265094485' post='2152673']
So instead they moved from one war with an ally of a treaty partner to another war with an ally of a treaty partner. Yes clearly the path of wisdom.
[/quote]
You know, since you're gov of VE I won't even bother having this conversation. you'll only post the party line, but I hope you really do see past the simplicities of that. My alliance has no MDP+ level partner involved in this war anymore, we have no party line to spew, and I gave that up after the Karma war anyway (remember those times where you and I and our alliances fought together and negotiated peace together). If I hadn't had those experiences earlier I might let you disappoint me since you won't see the other side. But I know the game ([OOC] the political game, not the actual game [/OOC]) and I know that you're playing your part in it as needed by your title. I don't hold that against you, but only because I've had good experiences working with you before.
With that my nation needs it's ruler to be well rested so I am off to bed. -
[quote name='Stilgar' date='02 February 2010 - 01:55 AM' timestamp='1265093752' post='2152618']
An MDoAP treaty with an alliance on the winning side carries the same weight as an MDoAP with an alliance on the losing side. While it is admirable for Polaris to support a beleaguered ally (and I still stand by my opinion that this was a net good move on their part), there are many forms of support (diplomatic, rebuilding, etc) that could have been exercised without disregarding the treaties of their allies on the larger side (though if Polaris would like to open a "third front" it would be a refreshing sight).
[/quote]
I get that, but NSO has taken a significant beating in both of these theaters for a war that Grub started. The winning side was not in need of help, and NpO aiding them could only be seen as bandwagoning, and utterly confusing anyway. At least this way they stay on their original side of the war (that they started), and help out a friend who is staring down a gun over twice as long, twice as wide, with munitions that could blow up the sun. The sides are by no means even now, the outcome of this war has not changed. That's not the point here. And I did see that you hold this as a good move for NpO. You are somebody that doesn't follow the thought process of many here. That is good. -
[quote name='TypoNinja' date='02 February 2010 - 01:00 AM' timestamp='1265090452' post='2152404']
What about fighting along side your C&G allies who you just slapped in the face?
Would it be unnecessary, disrespectful, and downright dumb of me to wonder why you felt the need to leave them in the dust?
[/quote]
I'm getting in here a little late. but my bet as to why they aren't fighting along side their C&G allies is because they weren't leaving them in the dust as you suggest. Before Polaris joined in the C&G side had over a 2:1 advantage in this war. They didn't need the help. -
Welcome to the war
ummm.. the war that this thread concerns has peaced out.
-
Not to mention that attack orders were delivered on 11:06 pm while Seixas attack was done at 10:58, no one but Govt. knew who we were going to attack.
wait, so we were attacked before the order was even given? I suppose that ruler lucked out that he guessed right (or is he gov, I don't feel like looking it up)
I had removed myself from this thread, but I feel that this should be clarified.
-
We were laughing at your alliances war chests. We really did.
really? after peace? Well if you wanna try that one then you didn't take a look at mine did ya? oh that's right, nobody from any of the three alliances we were at war with could take the time, or grow the pair necessary, to attack me. I really wanted you to though. Personally, if I were picking targets I'd red flag a nation like mine (smaller and nuclear) and send my best men to destroy it quickly. Apparently the spine required to do so was lacking. Though honestly a good choice. My nukes would have decimated your forces and my half a year warchest would have made sure that your men would cry themselves to sleep.
Look I can measure my e-peen too.
-
Wow.
INT is taking unnecessary heat here. TR and INT would not have attacked GLOF in the numbers we did if we thought GLOF was getting peace from FOK. TR might be warmongers but we're not opportunists, and to classify INT as one would imply we are as well.
While Mike from iFOK was on and I believe he was who NpO spoke with, I couldn't get ahold of FOK gov member until hours after update, and after the forums had come back up. Why you'd expect to be let go after NpO walked anyway...I mean that doesn't make sense to anyone but you I think and saying that in our public channel in disbelief was off-putting to say the least. You were let go, you didn't have a right to be peace'd out on a free pass.
As for coalition communication, see tR's DOW.
On the point of fighting; if it takes two days because of whatever it was exactly that people were plotting got in the way (I left that channel and won't go back, and besides, they wouldn't have told me anyway), then so be it. You attacked FOK, we attacked you, end of story.
And no alliance is perfect in their operations, including us. But hurling taunts away at the people who just let you walk after dogpiling our ally seems unreasonable.
Mattski, whether you realize it or not, I happen to like you, and your alliance. Your DoW was classy and your members have been respectful. Now there's one thing I think we should clear up here. You said "TR might be warmongers but we're not opportunists, and to classify INT as one would imply we are as well." You're right, which is good because we didn't call INT opportunists. They called US opportunists. We followed our Treaty obligations, you followed yours. There is no opportunism present. Which is why I am extremely upset with INT using their DoW as propaganda. We wished FOK luck in our DoW. FOK was fun to fight, solid guys over there. INT insulted us by calling us opportunists in their DoW which they refused to post until after peace talks began. There's no class or honor there. I hold nothing against FOK, or tR. You guys have been a class act in my eyes. However, INT is not so lucky. I will not forget their actions soon, even if it means nothing as my role is insignificant nowadays, I will still not forget.
-
Oh I forgot that key detail Obs. I apologize to the International. I forgot about the technological deficiencies inherited with your governmental choices.
[OOC] before any INT members get upset, I'd like to point out the role-playing going on here. We're actually giving you an in-character excuse, even if we all know it's a load of crap. Just like how you calling us opportunistic was just your extreme skill of "role-playing". Well... not just like, as this is real role-playing and not a lame excuse for insulting our honor while we honor treaties... just saying [/OOC]
I do feel the need to point out to Comrade Craig, that if FOK!, the Resistance, and The International had all remained in the Orange Unity Treaty there would have been no orange on orange war. Rather all three of your alliances left, thereby creating a schism in orange. We are still committed to making orange a great sphere, which is why we have stayed. We stand for a unified orange, you abandoned that idea. Our allies were called to protect their allies from FOK. We hold an MDAP with Nueva Vida. We do not sign treaties lightly. We have no treaties with any of your alliances, which again, is only your fault as nobody forced you to cancel your treaty with us. Therefore, we had no choice but to wage war with orange. We didn't to so to spite FOK, but to uphold treaty obligations.
-
I'm still not a fan of Orange-on-Orange. However, they started it
fair enough. We aren't real fans either, which is why we didn't beat our chests over attacking FOK, rather wished them luck and said let's have fun. We're all just following treaties as it is.
-
To the people of GLOF whining about this DoW coming after the actual in-game declarations: THE BOARDS WERE DOWN!.
ok really? I've already shown that this statement is a lie. But if you feel you can repeat a lie, I can promise you that I can quote myself over and over until the truth gets through.
really? the first DoW is below
yup, that's when the forums were down for sure!
10:58:52. Over an hour before update. One hour and 12 mins before the DoW was posted.
For those following here is the list of alliances that seemed to be just fine posting DoWs when the boards were "down"
1. TOP
2. TORN
3. SPARTA
4. tLW and Gondor
5. Fark (heck they did it like 5 times)
6. IRON
7. well I think you've got the idea. I could keep going but let's be honest. I've proved my point.
-
-
Yeah, cause we totally knew NpO, \m/, PC, and FOK were peacing out.
FOK is your ally. You should have known... amirite?
1TF / NUHF - ADI / LSN Peace
in Alliance Announcements (IC)
Posted
o/ Mayzie.
o/ 1TF