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  3. Operation Decaffination

    in World Affairs (IC)

    Posted

    Unresolved issues?

    You WON our debate. RLMMO left Echelon, you and your likeminded individuals took over Echelon.

    Steered the !@#$%* right into the heart of the sun too.. I read the surrender terms. Not there anymore are ya?

    You have issues with me? Echelon should have issues with you. I'll save some nukes baby!!! :awesome:

    I pray to admin that there'll still be something left of you in 84 days, but I doubt it.

  9. The Heart of Echelon

    in Alliance Announcements (IC)

    Posted

    Matthew117 bows his head and begins to chuckle

    To address a common misconception:

    Echelon is under no false pretenses - We aren't holding out for white peace, nor do we expect it. From out initial involvement in the war, we haven't expected anything different.

    We did object to the terms offered to us, but that is not the topic of discussion.

    ...However it remains relevant, because all of our nations who did not appear to be government were messaged within 3 hours of those talks concluding, after GOD had quite bluntly stated they would not make concessions and had no sympathy for us (and why should they? We're at war).

    The issue is that after ~40 days of war, where Echelon has lost two dozen members, those who remain stand united in their fight - our combatants realise this. Echelon will leave this war when it is appropriate... yet some are trying to get too clever, outraged because their demands aren't met.

    There is no love lost between our two alliances, they do not care for the welfare of our nations - by hand-picking nations for government-issued individual surrender terms they seek to undermine the same talks they were responsible for organising.

    That is the reality of the situation. Those who have stated a case otherwise, you've made your intent clear, I doubt there's much more that can be said to appease you.

    Those messages were deliberate in the most malicious way - war does not provide an excuse for, nor absolve one of, all sins.

  10. The Heart of Echelon

    in Alliance Announcements (IC)

    Posted

    After the propaganda you pulled this war, nofish did nothing.

    but I guess when your echelon, Sexual remarks against alliance leaders is more respectful than informing your enemy's general membership what is going down.

    Last year seems to long ago now, doesn't it.
    *Fallen_Fool blinks

    Seriously? Seriously?

    What would you call leaving BLEU because you were offered a position in One Vision? What would you call signing a MADP with Polar in bad faith in an effort to remain neutral in a conflict you knew was inevitable, and then canceling said MADP after "Polar trolled your allies?"

    That message speaks volumes about the Global Order of Darkness. How dare they allow individuals to surrender!
    How is it better for Echelon that their smaller nations pay for the tech? 50 tech is still worth the same price no matter who's got it. Or do Echelon nations self-buy their own tech?

    After paying the reps, those larger Echelon nations can just replenish their tech by buying from their smaller nations, either at cost or in a standard tech deal helping their comrades in recover in the process. The result would be the same wouldn't it?

    Right because no alliance ever had the sheer nerve to offer individual surrender terms before just now!

    Seriously, whats the news here? It's a PM asking for surrender..... and?

    Congratulations! It gives me great displeasure to advise you all that you've missed the point (some of you multiple times!), however, just because it looks like you made an effort, I'm willing to let it slide. :)

    And I have never paid too much attention to you Karma guys before, but having experienced such a warm welcome, I feel I should reciprocate -

    Only now has your potential impact on the game become apparent; whereas I have never before been welcomed with such vigour by the NPO, IRON, or that underhanded hegemony-mob, you fill me with hope and promise. Your interest, faith and acceptance in the words I speak are indicative of a bright new era where tolerance and happiness, propagated by the likes of NSO, MK, Nemesis & all the rest, will consume Bob.

    You people are a credit to and asset to this world, I commend you on your actions. Thank you. :)

    I encourage you to seek me out in #wutwar if I've left you feeling unsatisfied.

  11. The Heart of Echelon

    in Alliance Announcements (IC)

    Posted

    I, and many other Echelon nations, entered this conflict under no false pretenses. We knew it would be tough and we knew from the outset that, barring a miracle, it would result in defeat. I stand before you not as a representative of the Echelon government, nor as someone with any great interest in the ideals or propaganda of either side; I am here as a member of Echelon, someone who has been engaged in conflict for almost 6 weeks because it is the right and just thing - because our continued involvement and defeat is more palatable to us than cowardice.

    Most of our opponents understood this and fought accordingly, showing a great deal of respect. They have earned both my respect and that of Echelon in turn; there are perhaps no two clearer examples than TOP and TSO, who's honour and humanity were reflected in both their conduct during the war and the resultant peace.

    One alliance who insists on bucking this trend however, as is their sovereign right, is the Global Order of Darkness.

    good-god.jpg

    In attempting to subvert our governmental process, and undermining the very peace talks you marshalled, you have exposed your alliance as a despicable and dissatisfied would-be victor, your arrogance is matched only by your stupidity.

    You have earned my disapproval and disdain, so rather than filtering through the multitude of messages you will (potentially) receive from my alliance-mates, I feel qualified to respond to you on behalf of the remaining Echelon members, who all share a common ideal, that you appeal to:

    No, thank you. :)

  13. Reps for IRON, NPO, Echelon, and TPF

    in Open World RP

    Posted · Edited by Matthew117

    I think the question is how willing and how far will you go to show that you've changed your old ways of diplomacy? According to the sheer amount of mostly unnecessary hate thrown by many of your alliance mates in another alliance's surrender thread, you guys don't seem to have changed much. For example, by most accounts alliances like Valhalla and TOOL have fought and shown respect to their opponents on the battlefield. In return, they received white peace because they, at least a public majority, have shown an effort to change with the rest of us.

    Like I said earlier, the way you conduct yourself on here and on the battlefield will greatly impact what you receive after your surrender.

    I don't disagree with anything you've said. Everything has some consequence, which is why it's impossible to be determined by anyone other than the victorious party.

    However I (and many others) were personally disappointed at the treatment and surrender terms our allies received while looking for peace. Not that it's worth bringing up again, but there's undoubtedly some relevance when an alliance who'd done little-to-no wrong did not receive white peace after honouring a treaty and fighting a protracted war - perhaps it is most indicative of the peace terms NPO, IRON, Echelon & TPF will be greeted with, at the appropriate time.

    Edit: Clarity & stuff.

  14. Reps for IRON, NPO, Echelon, and TPF

    in Open World RP

    Posted

    He's saying you're too pathetic to pay reps. Though if you think he's wrong, I look forward to you putting your money where your mouth is.

    Thank you for explaining; I got the feeling he liked us and was happy to see us 'let off lightly' :rolleyes:

    There's no way to determine reps without some form of bias or subjective interference - It all depends on your past interactions with whoever you're fighting, how they've fought the war (in both a diplomatic sense and damage received/how many nations were actually in the firing line), et cetera.

    You'll get what your given, like it or not. If you don't, we'll assume the circumstances aren't 'life or death' and you're free to refuse... However, what is a realistic request and what you deserve are two totally unrelated issues.

    I just have one, slightly tangential, query - Are Karma trying to usher in a new standard of fair play as they enact this justice or; are Karma trying to reprimand and punish the hegemony for their past actions and hope things will just be rosy once it's all said and done?

    Due to the disparity between the Karma alliances (they're a loose coalition at best; as demonstrated by this thread, many people and alliances have different motives and reasons behind their involvement) I don't think it'll play much of a role in all of the repatriations issued, but I am still curious having witnessed many viewpoints at both ends of the spectrum.

  15. GOONS vs. GOoNS, an SA showdown

    in Alliance Announcements (IC)

    Posted

    So are you saying that blackmailing someone into making a video is not worse than declaring on someone until he changes his flag?

    Interesting.

    Do you expect someone who just resurrected the old GOONS, which you seemingly despise a great deal, to surrender because new GOONS think he's undermining (or something along those lines) their own efforts?

    No, me neither.

    So... why !@#$%* when this announcement says they're going to attack this dull goon, who's promoting the old GOONS (in case you've forgotten), because it's not who they are...? :unsure:

    Whether you think they're right or wrong, the reality is that GOONS are protecting you from an even greater evil. :ph34r:

    The Challenge adds some humour and life to the announcement - nothing else comes into it. I'm certain it's not actually expected.

    ...although it would be a pleasant bonus.

  16. Announcement from GOD/AB/Nemesis

    in Alliance Announcements (IC)

    Posted

    Congratulations AB, I'm glad you found peace. We're eternally grateful for your support. :)

    However...

    1. All treaties with Echelon will be dissolved as of this surrender.

    2. Aurora Borealis will take full responsibility for starting the war and concede defeat at the hands of GOD and Nemesis.

    3. 3,000 in technology will be dealt to GOD at a rate of 100T:3M. Nations to sell will be provided in a timely matter by the Aurora Borealis government.

    4. Aurora Borealis will decommission all nuclear weapons and navy vessels.

    5. Aurora Borealis may remilitarize after a period of one month.

    6. No aid will be given to alliances or nations engaged with the Karma coalition; including information, financial, military or spy operations.

    6a. No Aurora Borealis members will engage in secret foreign aid.

    7. The terms will be considered expired and completed once all tech has been paid and the one month period is up.

    8. Refusal or subversion of the above terms will result in continued warfare.

    ...this is curious.

    What is GOD/Nemesis' vested interest in our treaty with AB? They've agreed to surrender and not further partake in this conflict, effectively rendering the treaty inactive for the duration of the war... why force them to cancel it?

    Further, when it's quite unanimously frowned upon for a treaty to be instantly 'dissolved' at one signatory's discretion, why's it suddenly okay because a third-party says so?

    There's nothing preventing them resigning one tomorrow or, if that would make you mad, in one month once all terms expire... so why even bother?

    :lol1: <<< Karma

    The power has gotten to them already? :mellow:

  17. Here, Have AiDs!

    in Alliance Announcements (IC)

    Posted

    Individual friendships? Did you ever read the same logs I did? The person in question gave the entire alliance up at the first sign of pressure, and not to the alliance he had "friends" with.

    But you're right. He's gone. I give it five days instead.

    You didn't listen to the "No, I couldn't go to war with 'x', I couldn't do that. I'd never go to war with 'x'. And I know I screwed up, etc." like the members did, so I forgive you for not understanding ^_^

  21. Echelon Announcement

    in Alliance Announcements (IC)

    Posted

    Echelon keeping it "classy" as always. Nothing seems to change, does it?

    t5iogo.jpg

    Sorry, I'll make sure the relevant people include a domestic violence joke next time to appease your high standards :)

    For everyone getting touchy and defensive, it's quite obvious humour is intended, no? Taste is another issue, but why anyone expects 'propaganda' during a war to have any factual grounding or truth is beyond me.

    Maybe it's the newsletter format.

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