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A green alliance with a purple protectorate? Whats the matter, couldn't find anyone on your own color to deal with you?
Indeed it would have nothing to do with wishing to remain green and having a completely neutral alliance protect us while we grew. For the record we're for green stability as much any anyone else and are looking forward to working with our green counterparts.
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That charter is far too lengthy.
And why do I smell drama?
Not really sure could be the lack of showering on my part.
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The revolving door is a reference to the sheer number of triumvirs the GGA has had. It's quite dizzying. It's really got nothing to do with whether people were booted or left voluntarily or whatever.
You miss the point entirely.
GGA has had a fondness for starting useless wars, sometimes pulling its allies in with them. I know. Invicta got sucked in to one of your wars, once, thanks to our (now slightly shorter) list of shared allies.
Dumping your allies would not only have been suicide, it would also have been backstabbing the people who supported you time and again when, quite frankly, I wouldn't have, and an awful lot of people wouldn't have either - and they probably shouldn't have. Really.
You appear to be claiming here that an individual is responsible for the GGA's PR situation, then claiming that it's the fault of the system. I actually suspect that the latter is true.
However, the GGA's problem is not so much airing dirty laundry in public, but rather its many-years-old attitude of promoting a program of aggressive behaviour that can only be made effective through the support of its allies. This is what it needs to do: it needs to start building an alliance that achieves things independently of its allies.
You know, like a normal alliance.
Not my alliance, just trying to clear things up from an outsider's point of view at this point. You are right though nothing is going to make things go away but time. Hopefully they tread carefully.
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Most alliances try to get leaders who can post with something approaching proper grammar and spelling. nice to see you actually read it, go on continue with the fifteen year old "ZOMG UR GRAMMAR IZ BADZ0RS!?" rhetoric i can wait.
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I'll believe it when a year or so goes by and there are no wars similar to the GGA-ITA war.
The thing about GGA is, they do have a revolving door (witness you being on the outside now) but they always seem to manage to keep up with the launching random wars for no real reason gimmick. In particular, apart from the Viridicide, they pulled the hit on Hyperion (which will go down in history for Remarkably Pointless Attacks; Hyperion took very little damage in that war, and the Polars were doomed anyway because of Citadel), ITA, and others which I have now forgotten. In addition to just really dumb things like ejecting a triumvir for (apparently) objecting to NPO, stirring up a giant mess of drama, and then inviting him back to help with coordinating a war to support NPO.
For quite some time now, I've been dealing with GGA messes by proxy, due to the fact that Invicta was MDPed to not only NPO, but UPN, Valhalla and ODN, all GGA MDP+ partners. All of these alliances have suffered due to their connection to GGA. I've seen it.
That's why a lot of people are still very sanguine about GGA. Posts like this and this do not help in convincing me that this GGA is any different from the old GGA: an alliance whose primary skill is in the cultivation of treaty partners that it can use to prop itself up.
In part to the revolving door:
Not entirely true or accurate, I'm on the outside on my own volition, and under good terms no less. This after almost 2 and a 1/2 years of service to the GGA. We did let members return to a degree in that we were weren't going to stop someone from coming back if they left in good standing and wished to rejoin the alliance a lot of the time at a reduced rank than when they left, however there was even a point where that was discontinued as well (we're talking repeat offenders).
On useless wars:
I won't make any attempt to hide that fact. The GGA did take part in several wars that could be deemed pointless. But again you have to remember than even I wasn't a Triumvir during the hyperion war. That normally wouldn't mean anything but in this instance i was the most senior member of the Triumvirate up until my resignation. So again we're back to pointing fingers and accusing a govt. that really had no involvement in past indiscretions.
Did we apologize for them? No we did not. Did we feel responsible for actions that took place when most of the current upper govt. didn't even exist? No we certainly did not. I can understand looking at the GGA with some skepticism but it was mostly displaced and definitely held our reasoning for continuing down the path we were already being pushed down. What was an alliance to do when being challeneged the way the GGA has been over the last two plus years? Dumping our only allies would be suicide and keeping them was a PR nightmare. Thus the GGA is at where it's at.
On Ridiculous PR:
For reasons i won't go into here as i don't wish to point fingers after the fact i will only this, the source of bad PR can still be found within the GGA. However they seem to have a handle on that to which i say kudos to them. In a govt. system such as what they have, convoluted messages are the norm as nine times out of ten we as govt. members had no idea what the others were doing.
None of the instances you bring up, i can take sole credit for, however no one within the ranks of the GGA could be deemed "the incompetent one" as we were all being fed different lines from people who "should" have had a handle on what they were talking about in the first place.
If they truly have a handle on that and i suspect they do, than dirty laundry being aired in public would be a thing of the past for the GGA.
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Well, forgive me for my skepticism of the capacity for GGA's ability to change, considering they were the ones who came up with the idea for the Viridiacide to begin with. When I see a big announcement from GGA with you guys taking credit and apologizing for it, then maybe Ill give that much hyped "reform" some due.
By the way, Typoninja, im frankly shocked that you'd hold such contempt for the rest of the Hegemony over that, but not despise the GGA with at least equal fervor. Why the discrepancy?
Also this is flaud, in the context of this game none of this current govt. could even tell you what the Viridiacide was about. Actually i don't think any of the past govt. over the last year and some would even have much recollection of that war. I was literally a 4 month old nation at the time. All the beef you have with the GGA should be directed at members who have either quit the game entirely or moved on to new alliances a long time ago.
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This "Coup" as you call it, is prove that the GGA has solid internal procedures. Though i will admit that the current leadership is more committed to change than the previous leadership, the first steps towards turning the alliance in a different direction were already taken before the onset of the karma war.
There is nothing disingenuous about stating the truth that change was already underway.
The change in leadership and karma war just kicked it up into the next gear.
In the interest of playing fair it was indeed a coup and an illegal one at that. Procedurally it was an utter failure an a PR nightmare both internally and externally. It was also a major kick in the balls that i hope you guys learn from. However yes you do speak the truth we were in the midst of change way before the karma war, we just happened to have all the bad aired on the OWF with none of the good. Such is life i guess.
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Sounds like fun. I hope they'll become a neutral alliance that attacks us at first opportunity.
Well now that's not very neutral is it
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Well we don't want ALL the drama gone, it wouldn't be The Jungle without a little bit of drama
/me goes to round up some /b/tards
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Did I miss something? I seem to recall getting about 25 or so nukes dropped on my nation after we attacked karma. My NS still hasn't recovered from that, and many of my citizens' newborn children have tails that glow in the dark.
I still respect the NPO. But you guys did kinda push your luck, and you're pushing your luck now with your rhetoric. NPO is being punished unfairly by all those anti-bandwagoning bandwagoners, but it doesn't help your position when it's members insult their former allies. After comments such as that, you're the child here.
Ah yes good point and i missed that as well. I also respect the NPO don't get me wrong. But don't use the "poor NPO" card on the GGA. We got our teeth kicked down our throat and it would seem the new govt. is attempting to right some of the past wrongs. I don't see the harm in that.
Also yay for further stabilization of the Green Sphere.
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You are right at one time we did try to convince people GGA was not just our colony on green because they wern't, they were more like a small weak child that runs off to befriend the biggest kid in the yard for protection, and as the typical weak child they idolised us and became our biggest groupie, trying to copy us and extort there borrowed power.
Its hard to hate the GGA after thinking of them as one of your closests friends for such a long time but when they spit on us and run into the arms of our enemies while our conflict still goes on, there seems no other emotion available to them.
Not that it matter's much since I'm no longer affiliated with the GGA, but we were one of the last alliances out, we surrendered to 14(ish) alliances and we managed to run through our entire bank. not to mention the number of nukes/anarchies/surrendered nations we received in the name of defending the NPO.
Your "weak child" analogy kinda makes me happy the GGA did in fact sever ties with the NPO if that's how you view the contributions of your allies, and it only solidifies the rationale that (i assume) went into ending any working relationship with the NPO.
(Since we're trading barbs.... who's entire alliance took their whooping's like a big boy out of peace mode including the banks? oh that's right not the NPO).
Further a split from the NPO was inevitable as both sides had grown tired of the other's shenanigans, I'm not sure where you got your information from but the break was more than mutual on both sides of that fence. There's way more to that whole story than meets the eye. But alas that's another story for another time.
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Regarding degen's horrible spelling and grammar:
I accept full blame for the "lamb baste" debacle. I told him not to lambaste SWR or KFH, and obviously something was lost in translation. I keep sending the man "Hooked On Phonics" but it keeps coming back "
". Sneaky Canadien... But I will do my best to keep him on his leash and hidden away in the GGA's basement so he does not assault your eyes with his posts. You know, that, or I could get him a working spellchecki toad a so, i toterly toad a so. (bonus points if you get the reference. I'm looking in your direction Crushtania)
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New Triumvirate
This announcement is never easy, but in the interest of having a new and open govt. I will make the following announcement.
Scotchwithrocks, and Kungfuhamster, have been relieved of their duties as Triumvirate of the GGA. This decision was made after taking into consideration the actions of these two triumvirs over the last little while. I will not delve into what lead up to these decisions as i don't personally think its fair to lamb baste them in public.
Both of them have been offered the position of Elder Statesmen and the offer will not be rescinded until they have made their decisions. Should they decide they wish to leave, we wish them well and hold no ill feelings towards them.
Now onto happy times, with the opening of Two triumvirate positions i would like to welcome firstly Descepter as the newest Triumvirate, She will no doubt do great things as Triumvirate as she has already proven herself capable in the other positions she's held. Secondly as strange as this sounds i welcome back into the fold one Mr. Shaneprice. Shane has gone above and beyond to right the wrongs and has held a very pro GGA mindset in the process. I feel this is a long time overdue, welcome back shane.
With these moves in mind, we hope to continue moving forward, away from the past that's led us to this present position. Progressively making head way. The Alliance has never had a brighter future in my mind, and i can assure you there will be more announcements in the coming days. With that in mind, please feel free to continue to pm me, or either of the two new triumvirs with your questions and concerns, we can also be found on irc throughout the day and night.
Furthermore our embassy row is now open, please feel free to send over an ambassador to our new forums located here
Signed on behalf of the GGA:
Degenerate108, Holy Triumvirate and Chief Protector of the Realm
DeScepter, Holy Triumvirate and Chief Protector of the Realm
Shaneprice, Holy Triumvirate and Chief Protector of the Realm
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All those alliances canceled their treaties at the beginning of the war. Only IRON and MCXA still have treaties with NPO (1V (MCXA and IRON), Agora (MCXA) and Ring Cycle (MCXA)).
EDIT: Forgot, TPF resigned their treaty, so they still have a treaty as well. Valhalla and OG still no longer have treaties with NPO, however.
The GGA is still has a treaty with the NPO as well. Two actually we rescinded our original cancellation to them i believe as well as through OV.
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Still not your biggest fan, this changes nothing except that we aren't at war with eachother.
I'm rather annoyed by everyone pretending they liked us and enjoyed our presence.
No one liked you ever
, schattenmann was funny though, doitzel put up with my random pm's and moridin, well he was moridin. i did enjoy having a long term enemy and i did enjoy the unconventional way that enemy handled itself.Edit: forgot the smiley makes it look unnecessarily rude.
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but you had no part in tearing down the algea wich was the original point here, thus you have made no ammends for ggas former crimes and no giving FAN peace with a gun pressed against your head does not count
The alternative would have been to keep algea.
nooooooooooooo the alternative wouldn't have been to keep Algae.
Nice refutation. I don't belive a word. When it was brought up your old forum bilrow owned were still being used. It wasn't somewhere until mid-thread that any other forum were even mentioned wich would be strange for something you already were working on.
Secondly if you go look at the date of that original forum post you would see that feb. 25th is way before than of course our old forums were being used still, the new ones weren't finished, being someone not keen on setting up forums it took awhile, Its not like you just go name a bunch of rooms and your done junior, there's a lot more that goes into it, masking, setting up a move, integrating off site links, moving the hundreds of pertinent forum posts that need to be on the new boards, setting up a function orderly move, etc. I would challenge you to balance setting one up under the gun while going about your daily business.
I highly doubt any of your old triumvirates know who I am either. I don't think they know a percent of the people they punished. I don't claim that the current triumvirates did anything to me. I'm saying that GGA did. The old crimes doesn't automatically go away as soon as a new triumvirate replace one of the old. The triumvirates have been replaced one by one and still nobody have made any ammends for GGAs past crimes or even shown any regret. Maybe a written appology would be in order? You can write those without it being part of surrender terms you know. The only redeeming thing GGA have done was to remove the algea and the current triumvirates had no part in that. In my eyes you still support the things that GGA have done in the past unless you show you've changed the direction. As I said changing triumvirates does not qualify you for a "get out of jail free card" automaticaly.
Its this sort of narrow minded thinking that is a catch-22, if the GGA does something the vultures come circling they some how manage to claim as you have that, "The current Triumvirate had no part in removing the Algae they must support the ones that originally placed it there!" and in the same paragraph you claim that i should be apologizing for the actions of people even before the ones that came along and removed the Algae? when we rebuff, we're immediately called liars. There's simply no pleasing everyone. Guess who else doesn't know the fraction of people that have been wronged over the course of time?
With that said I'm leaving this thread. Partly because it was a pain to reply when you wrote your answers inside the quote but also because this is going nowhere. No matter how long we argue I'm not going to think anything more of GGA and you won't show any regret for GGAs crimes.
good day to you
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While I might agree that signing the current green unity treaty would be somewhat redeeming it wasn't signed of any of the current triumvirs. The current government isn't responsible for crimes commited by past governments but are redeemed by actions by past governments? It doesn't hold up.
Also I think you got it the wrong way around. If I was shortsighted your 'they gave FAN peace' would have worked but it's blatantly obvious that it was because of karma and wouldn't have happened without this war.
It was signed by the current Triumvirate, when we updated it to include the green protectorate clause among other things.
I'll stop arguing about the green unity treaty simply because it doesn't belong in this thread and isn't only ggas responsibility although I would see how VE would sign it seeing what the alternative was.
Tthe "alternative" would have been to continue on like that had already been doing.
Every alliance might have some bagage but GGA have done some horrible things through its history. I didn't claim that your vocal members make your decisions I said that I'm fairly sure your general membership is basically the same and havn't changed alot through your history, same people supporting the same decisions. It doesn't matter if they don't have any actual say in decisions they're supporting the alliance decisions by being in the alliance. If umbrella decided to force smaller black alliances off the sphere for example I'd leave tomorrow.
As for the forum move I remember that whole story. I don't see why you would bring it up since it hardly support your side of this argument. You stayed on the forums bilrow owned while he was in NPO and it wasn't until it was brought up on owf and you were basically forced to change by the public that you finally changed forums.
It's funny you would bring that up, i can refute that as i was the one that had started setting up the new forums a full week an a half before any mention of us having forums connected to bilrow was released on the OWF. (feb. 25th 2009) it wasn't until shane left that it became known that we were on forums without root admin. (beginning of march cant remember the exact date i'd have to ask shane.)
and of course the "you're as bad as we are". no argument would be complete without it. I hold grudges for things you did to me, my friends, my alliances and their allies for no or close to no reason except showing off your borrowed power. You did these things as I said for close to no reason. Even if I were to get revenge and get an eye for an eye I wouldn't be anywhere near as bad as you. It'd be punishments for harsh crimes opposed to light or no crimes as you did to us.
Again im pretty sure none of the three Triumvirate even know who you are let alone have "done things" to you like you claim. We haven't done anything to you as far as my knowledge goes. I will accept that past govt. as wronged you but i will not coddle you because you were wronged before we ever had any control over the fate of the GGA.
Might still makes right on bob though and I'm not a powerful person. I can only hope that you get your justice served to you.
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That's not the only rules in UJA. IF a senator does that in any other sphere he's going to be removed either way most likely. It's all the other rules they need to conform to that bugs me. It might seem like small details to you but imposing any rules at all for allowing a sovereign alliance to get a senate seat is too much if you ask me. For example that you can vote out a senator by a majority vote from the signatories in UJA where if the senator is voted out must leave the senate or be subject for attacks. There are more things I don't agree with in the UJA but that one stands out.
I don't spend alot of time on gga public channels since I feel that'd be detrimental to foreign relations and I don't think I'd get to stay long anyway. I don't get fed any info from vox spies either. I tried to ask shatterman really nice but he didn't budge one bit. So forgive me if I don't know exactly wich people in gga are active and not. Now that you told me though. I could swear I've seen both ironchef and shaneprice signatures on some of the less than fair surrender terms handed out. If you didn't support your old governments actions (although I find this very hard to belive seeing how you rose to the position you did) I assume that you didn't support the eternal war on FAN either. I'd ask you if you invited the alliances you forced off color back but as far as I know they disbanded a bit after they were forced off the sphere so I guess we'll never know that.
As for the general membership changing alot I don't really belive it. I still see pretty much the same people on owf from gga that I've always seen but I don't have any proof here so I'll just let it slide.
The fact still stands that you havn't tried to make ammends or shown regret for any of your past crimes since this new government came into power. You might claim you've changed but all that's different is the figureheads. You havn't shown any regrets for your past crimes and I doubt you will unless forced to. Saying that you're different because the government changed only works if you've actually made any changes. I can't say what you've done internally but your foreign affairs look just like it always did with your new government (except maybe for the owf incident). You've shown that you're not willing to change so I wonder how you lose all responsibility for your old crimes when you still follow the same path.
True but keep in mind, That treaty was written with input from VE and if im remember correctly iFOK was even present at that point as well as ourselves. The fact that VE and GGA worked to push green unity alone should be a huge indicator of what we are now, compared to what we were than.
Ironchef possibly served during some of those terms but shane was a triumvirate after i became one he's pretty much in the same boat as myself. Thats aside the point though as most leaders in this game have done unsavory things at one time or another. As far as the FAN war goes, i was just a little guy at that point with no govt. connection what so ever, back than i just did what i was told. I wouldn't even know why we went to war with FAN had it not been for CNwiki.
We don't control green nor would we attempt to keep people off the sphere, the ones that have left, have left before my time with the exception of GUN and i do believe we offered them a spot in the UJA before they left as well though i can't remember.
The vocal membership is still within the rank, apart from being vocal on the OWF though they have no say or intention to run the govt. Theres nothing wrong with being proud of where you come from though as they are definitely not the only people on the OWF that blindly attack people attacking their home. Every alliance is guilty of having those members if you can even call it "being guilty".
You are mistaken, we've made or attempted to make amends on several fronts, we've distanced ourselves from the Bilrow era, going as far as to stunt our growth by moving to new forums and transfering ownership of our roster systems amongst other things. We have allowed FAN and Vox to go in peace, and we haven't had a part in any war since i became triumvir aside from this one. As i said before this could go on forever, so i'll just say this. We know who we are, The alliances that have had to deal with us over the course of the last several months know who we are and really in the end that's all thats going to matter. Your justified in holding grudges i guess, but than as i also said you're no better than what you've grown to hate.
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If nobody is forced to conform to it I'd like to know exactly what point two in the second accord means
The way it looks to me is that if a alliance wants to have a senator on green they have to obey the rules of UJA wether they're a signatory or not. I'd say that's clearly forcing them to conform. It doesn't matter if admission is easy to obtain alliances shouldn't be forced to agree to your rules to be allowed a senator on the green team.
I'd hardly call your advisors and co-signers being the very people you claim isn't in the gov a technicality but sure lets go for that. That aside you still have basically the same membership that supported the previous leaders and the fact that you've punished alliances for crimes not made by their current government over and over in the past hanging over your head when you claim that the current GGA have no responsibility for the crimes GGA have commited in the past.
It means don't go rogue and sanction a bunch of green nations on a whim, basically. That goes for both VE and GGA as well. If someone can't handle that the action we would most likely take is voting the offender out of senate. The evil of it all i know.
Elder Statesmen is made up of ex-Triumvirate members who stepped down in good standing and other members of the alliance by invite, they do not have any political power, however, do serve as advisors to the Holy Triumvirate.I think that's what your referring to. the work of the advisors really falls on sognatore, ironchef and shaneprice as they are the active elders, anyone with any credibility (not looking to start a fight) would be more than aware of who our active elders are. Even Vox knew which elders were the ones who were around. I am aware our charter states they are advisors even if they're inactive, but i can assure you their silence as well as their general not being around do hinder going forward with any of their secret agendas. Bottom line they did retire in good standing and they were appointed their rightful position within the alliance.
As far as the same membership, again not true, our membership has changed dramatically over the last three years, my time alone in the GGA i can say there's a fraction of who there used to be. Just as any other alliance. I myself have never "punished" an alliancefor crimes not made by their current govt. neither have KungFuHamster or Scotchwithrocks. Actually we've never punished anyone at all.
You have yet to show just cause for attacking this current govt. with any evidence of our wrong doing. Not that im expecting you to, if it's your desire to hate us, you're going to regardless.
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Apparently you can't be that strongly opposed to what they did since you still have both Emperor Lester II and BearerofTruth as advisors and I think I've seen their names on pretty much every document that forced alliances off color or extorted reps from innocent alliances. I don't blame you though. They did get you an awful lot of tech for such a small alliance.
Thats a pretty weak argument at best. Emperor Lester for instance i have met a handful of times, always very short and i don't remember the last time he was actually on IRC. beareroftruth is in the same boat. They are rightfully in their place as elders (retired govt.) neither of whom partake in any decision making. All votes, and decisions are made by KungFuHamster, Scotchwithrocks, and myself.
Holding us accountable because of a technicality within our signatures is a bit near sighted.
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I'm sure UJA have worked great so far but it's still a document that take away other green alliances sovereignty by forcing a document on them that they did not sign. A green alliance should be able to get a senate position without having to obey the rules of other alliances. What the intentions with the document or how it worked doesn't matter at all though. The part I quoted in my earlier post shows that it's forced upon every green alliance, signatory or not and that's just not right.
You are mistaken iFOK comes to mind, They still have a representative in our UJA channel, and are allowed to speak freely (they were even in there while we were at war with them). The UJA contains a NAP and admission is easy to obtain. Most importantly as in iFOK's case and they can tell you this themselves the UJA doesn't make them conform to anything even though they aren't a signatory. The current UJA even has a joint protectorate agreement in it to help foster growth for new green alliances.
No one is forced into conforming to it, if they don't agree than so be it. The UJA isn't about making people on the green sphere like each other, it's about promoting growth and bringing trades into the sphere as well as maintaining the peace. Its about the least war mongering treaty out there, NPO declares on OV, VE declares in support of OV, GGA declares on the side of the NPO against Athens, iFOK declares in defense of athens.
What the UJA did through that was exactly what it was supposed to do.
At no time did VE, GGA or OV threaten to sanction wildly, at no time did anyone threaten to pull out their members from trade circles with people on the "other side" and at no time did anyone threaten the position of other signatories and their status within the UJA.
Bottom line the UJA allowed us to be neutral towards each other for the sake of our sphere. Whats wrong with that?
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That argument sounds eerily familiar. They did what they had to do period and if you were on the losing side and were given harsh reps I am sure you would be arguing about how excessive the victors were. Again Athens took what they felt they were owed, no one else felt they were owed anything, who are you to try and push your agenda on these alliances on how they should handle peace for the war they fought?
Sounds a bit hegemonic
Hey, you do realize you're in Greenland Republic right(unless you're not)? You are also no doubt aware that Greenland Republic are our allies right? Alright then, chill out. Read my last post. Have a smoke(or not) and try this again(or don't). Either way man, enough disrespect. I've said it once I'll say it again. Screaming for the blood of a beaten alliance is pretty cowardly. If those quotes don't do it for you how about this one from our fallen prophet Phil Anselmo(with guitars supplied by Dimebag The God of Shred) "Yesterday don't mean !@#$. What's over is over and nothing between."You guys continue to impress the hell outta me, I'm sure thesame can be said for the rest of my govt.
Tell me this, does GGA still get to "call" who gets a Green Senate seat? Or did that fall by wayside some time ago?It's been a good long while since we controlled the green senate.
We work together with VE and OV (and others) in the UJA to avoid conflicts in the senate.Even during this war we remained respectful of both OV and VE and even to our hippie tree planting friends GPA (
) I know they could back up that statement. I can't see them upholding their might makes right policies now that they can't get backed up by NPO. They're a colony without a owner right now and won't be able to force anyone into submission for quite some time, if ever.To be fair reading from page 10 to here I've seen a lot of "GGA forced alliances off green and asked for stupid reps in the past damn them all!"
As the eldest serving Triumvir this is my first war (14-1 i knew i had that gunboat for a reason), None of the current Triumvirate have:
- Signed anything but treaty upgrades (the only one that actually comes to mind is MDAP with valhalla)
- This Govt. has never participated in extortion.
- This Govt. has never wanted anything but unity on the Green sphere both for the good of the senate and for the free trading.
- This govt.'s only real claim to bad PR was due entirely to our inexperience and having a lot of our internal dirty laundry aired for the masses.
A lot of you label us as if we've been the same govt. for the past four years. Not only are we not, but we have taken proactive steps in removing ourselves from that position for months. Somehow it's either not enough or it falls on deaf ears. In that sense though your no better than what you've hated. This incarnation of the GGA govt. is the same as before this war, only we've learned some valuable lessons and we're not as in experienced as we were three, four, six, eight months ago.
You can continue to troll us for the sake of trolling us, but guys like Athens who've actually dealt with our govt. and know what the hell they're talking about shouldn't be getting flak for treating us with some dignity. As i said before we're not the same govt. from three years ago.
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wish you could have brought mine up to 1 mil, but i couldnt replace troops fast enough, and i only had 200k going into it >_>
We can always resume war just between you and i to max out our casualty counts >
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Nice to see a few posts above mine, the sig from a GGA member stating New Emerald Order the green colony of NPO. Makes me feel warm and fuzzy.
There to save everyone the time of typing "HIS SIG IS A LIE HACKZORS!!!1!1!" i just put my new one on. Compliment it, tell me its a dirty little sig.
Valhalla shaking things up a little.
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This saddens me i still love you valhalla may your next war be bloody and may i get to have one pity target along side you?