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Hoka Hey!!!! Lets get it on NV. Sorry Invicta
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1. So you basically are saying \m/ should have fought for over two years to get peace? In that time we could have disbanded and reformed and would be better off. This is a terrible argument you are making, just stop.
2. Okay. Give us peace then. There you go. I await peace being declared.
3. You're not getting my point. He attacked an entire alliance because of what one guy said, and specifically did not attack nor call that member out. Besides, I thought CN was over entire alliances being attacked for one guy saying something insulting?
4. Wow, again, it's OUR channel. It's not even on a CN server. Nobody invited you there. We don't have standards to uphold in our own channel. You need to understand that you cannot tell us how to act. It's our land. Besides, this goes in multiple other channels. Now go call them out please or stop being selectively blinded.
@#3 And \m/ attacked an entire alliance for ...fun?
And @#4, I think you kinda clarified Grubs point. It is your channel, and no you dont have to have standards but, it is that very lack of standards that you choose not to enforce that makes you a bunch of immature twits as Grub has stated. Anyone who uses certain slang terms IS most likely racist deep down. And, even if they are not, the very fact that they use those words, words with a deep seated hatred tied to their very foundation, makes those people immature, ignorant, classless pieces of $#@! who dont give a damn about the harm that such words cause to this very day.
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Am I incorrect or have *zero wars* been declared? I mean making fun of blitzes is generally pretty lame, but when 3 alliances can't pull off a single declaration that's just pathetic..
Generic as always I see, lol.
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I was not aware calling someone out for intentionally omitting facts from an argument was grabbing straws.
I wasnt intentionally omitting anything, I just didnt think we needed to rehash the same old argument again and again. GOONS didnt show the lack of respect that \m/ did, and PC was going to get pulled in anyway. GOONS didnt tell Grub to "bring it" either. Trying to use an argument against me that has already been addressed IS grabbing at straws in my books.
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Grub showed us 0 respect when he came to us with his demands and timeline.
So it goes both ways there bucko.
So, Grub threw racial slurs at you guys when you came to him with demands that he stop preying upon the defenseless and follow his own charter?
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I'll be one of the first to admit. I thought the things said to Grub were in poor taste. And i'm not going to argue that.
But basically what your saying is that your going to do whatever the general public seems acceptable. So your already being ran by the World Police known as Public opinion.
And yes, it was tech raid. Any tech raid is declaring war on a defenseless opponent. Get over it. We already know Grub doesn't care about FoA anyways.
No, what I am saying is NV has enough class to not do the things that EVERYONE, well mostly anyway, agrees is unacceptable, because we too agree, that those things are unacceptable.
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Their I added the information you purposely omitted, guess what? You look damn silly now when reading that.
LOL. Keep grabbing straws, the fact is you cant argue with my actual argument can you? Nice try but \m/ was the only alliance to show how classless they really are. As has been stated, in multiple threads I might add, that GOONS didnt spit in Grubs face when confronted over the incident. \m/ did. And, as for PC, Im pretty sure NpO was expecting they would join, even welcoming it with open arms. So, no I dont look silly. Nice try.
Id like to ask you a question MM, and although it might be a tad rhetorical, Id like to hear what you have to say on it nonetheless. You guys keep saying that this war is about how NpO just doesnt like you and it has nothing to do with FoA, right? Well, my question is, WHY does NpO hate you guys? Could it be because you prey upon innocent alliances AND show 0 respect when confronted by a foreign diplomat? Could it be because you guys have shown no signs of changing such?
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Might makes right does it not? That's something the former Hegemony preached, and that's exactly what Polaris is doing right here. They attacked \m/ because they thought we couldn't defend ourselves. That's why they didn't hit PC.
And yes, FOA couldn't defend themselves. That is their problem. But we all know this war isn't about FoA.
<AlmightyGrub> I am not interested in FOA in the slightest
No, might does not necessarily make right. I never said that, but nice try with the linking Polar to Pacifica line of BS you like preaching. But lets get back to the subject matter. You admit that FoA was defenseless against \m/. Im going to stretch a bit and say that was probably WHY you decided to raid a 30 man alliance. Now, NpO decides, "you wanna know what, we dont like people who prey on the defenseless. Oh wait, look. \m/ looks pretty defenseless themselves. I knew I didnt like them for a reason." NpO then attacks you, according to you, for the SAME reason you attacked FoA. Awwwwww... poor defenseless \m/ getting a taste of their own medicine. Quit crying you big babies and just take whats coming to you, you've been asking for it and you even did the EXACT SAME thing to another alliance, which happened to be what started all of this. You guys all keep saying that the FoA incident is just an excuse, well guess what, you should have known better than to give NpO an excuse to destroy you if that's the case. In the end, I think it's a pretty good excuse dont you?
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I'm glad you all support a system where Polaris can tell alliances what they can and cannot do. I sincerely hope that next time you do something that is "offensive or criminal" in the eyes of the general public that Polaris attacks you too.
See, here's the thing. We in NV, are not so stupid as to do something the general public deems criminal and offensive. We have enough decency to abide by a certain code of conduct, which includes not spitting in a foreign rulers face, whether that be in our own channel or in theirs. Disrespecting a foreign leader is still disrespecting a foreign leader, regardless of the location. Also, declaring war on a defenseless opponent is still declaring war on a defenseless opponent, regardless of if both the CB and DoW is "tech raid."
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Yeah. That's really funny. What sin did we commit? Tech Raiding an alliance that couldn't defend themselves? Which in turn led them to a protectorate with an awesome alliance. FoA is better off than they were before the raid. We made a sovereign action, which is our right to make. Polaris has no right to tell an alliance how they should act, or what they can and can't do.
The only alliance who needs to pay for their sins is Polaris. I don't need Almighty Walfor.. I mean Almighty Grub telling me how to play an online simulation Game.
LOL, and we dont need people like you running around thinking they can do whatever they want, to whoever they want, without consequences. Its plain and simple here \m/, you do what you like, and if you piss someone off bigger than you, be prepared to get stomped on. Grub isnt trying to tell you what you can and can not do. He's trying to show you what happens when you do what you did. Tech raiding an "alliance" that "could not defend themselves"? Stay classy \m/.
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You don't know what you are talking about and are shaming a fantastic alliance and ally of Polaris with your continued posting.
I know this is a little late but, Thank You!
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No, unless you are implying that Warbuck didn't want to get Rok hit...that Elyat/Doitzel wanted to get NPO hit is a matter of historical record.
I still disagree, IMHO that was a totally different situation. ADI has not suffered under the boot heels of RoK, now have they? RoK is also not the leader of the most powerful alliance in the game(at the time) who was bullying and forcing people out of the game(in actuality, not simply expressing a supposed desire for such in some faked logs) while at he same time PZI'ing anyone who dared oppose them. Maybe in a very generalized way the situations are similar, but when you look at the details of the 2 situations they are totally different.
But whatever.
Kinda of puzzling actually. If Rok could prove that the logs were fake (and they claim to have Warbuck's confession of this), then they have a better CB than they had against TPF ( fresher one anyway...).And no, only a fool would believe that the timing of the release of the logs was pure coincidence. Nor is Warbuck or ADI all that particularly noble on the issue. Then again, neither is Rok. They've verbally bashed the heck out of ADI in this thread and elsewhere. With all that rhetoric you'd expect violence but...
I was genuinely expecting a DoW once Athens stepped aside, but apparently Rok didn't have a stomach for a large war. So it goes.
I think you kinda stated my point, that Warbuck is not exactly "noble" in his intentions, quite the opposite in fact. The other stuff about war I dont really care about and wasnt commenting on. Although I do believe this isnt over for ADI, Mr Warbuck has assured them of such. Welcome to the next global war guys, better hope you are on the winning side. Even then you still might be destroyed as meat shields, have fun.
"What is right." A very nice sentiment. I was also making a bit of a joke there. But hey, if you feel that strongly about it, have your government issue a DoW against ADI. Or are you merely expressing a sentiment?I think you mis-quoted me there, it was "what I believe is right". I was simply expressing my opinion and reasoning for speaking out on their "stirring of the pot" as it were. I realized that you were kind of joking, but you were kind of implying that my reasoning for speaking out against ADI was due to some desire for world peace, I just wanted to correct you on that.
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Not disputing that...merely pointing out that the side attacking TPF at that time was more significant than was being suggested.
yes, and I was pointing out that TPF's side wasnt as small as what you were suggesting
Ask Elyat...he's an expert on log dumping "out of conscience". Of course his logs dumps weren't regarding a protector, but they were pretty damning.Totally different situation and you know it.
You're new to Planet Bob, aren't you? Log dumping is as traditional as "tech" raiding.No Im not "new". I may not be as old as you are and definitely am not as well known, thank admin, but Ive been around for quite some time, even longer than my current incarnation would suggest. And, yes I know log dumps are nothing new. What I didnt like about this particular log dump is the reasoning and the timing. They tried to get RoK rolled plain and simple. An alliance that not 2 days previous would have gone to bat for them, and without RoK having anything more than cut diplomatic relations with them, they go and log dump, probably faking the logs, in an attempt to harm those that helped them become what they are today. You can argue that RoK threatened them, but in the end the only concrete action taken against them was the treaty cancellation. Man thats a slap in the face isnt it?
"They cancelled our treaty, oh no*gasp*. Ok lets get them rolled." Great friends they are, lol.
Probably didn't help the cause of world peace, no.
I do not stand for "world peace". I stand for helping and supporting those who I call friends, and those that have helped my nation to get where it is today. I stand for honor and friendship above all else. That is why I speak out against ADI, not because of some mythical idea of world peace. I speak out against them because what they did goes against what i believe is right.
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No, the one line was an afterthought- in fact, the entire conversation made me make my stance. That one log was not the only log shared, but it was the only log leaked. The rest of the information had been kept private and kept privately well. Who leaked that particular part of the log is a mystery, but that one single line was not the sole determining factor in my choice. It was the fact that RoK would "always be at odds" with my friends in FEAR- the rest is clear at that point. RoK wanted their destruction. I couldn't support it. And that is all I have to say on the matter anymore.
I didnt think FEAR or MHA were mentioned in those logs?
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I'm pretty sure KinKiac means "protector" when he says "protectorate" but other than that, I quite agree him.
Edit: Michael, the issue taken was not with ADI deciding not to oblige on their optional defense agreement (it was, after all, optional) but that they said in private that they would, then said nothing else until a public announcement to the contrary.
Whoops, yeah I meant protector, lol. Also, I want to add that I have no ties to RoK in any way shape or form. I do not know anyone from RoK, my alliance does not have any treaties with RoK(that I could find on our forums anyway), and I have no reason to defend or stand up for them. I just see the whole log dump business as being a knife in the back regardless of what alliances were involved. In fact, I think they were one of the alliances that jumped us in the NoCB war. I just cant believe you guys promoted the guy that almost got you rolled, which you would have been, had the war played out and peace had not been declared.
And, as always I speak for myself and not my alliance.
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QFT
The fact it was a 110mil to 156mil curbstomp had an influence on our decision- we didn't support the mindless destruction of the other side that would happen to affect our friends in FEAR, NATO and Invicta
But, you didnt JUST withdraw support now did you? You decided it would be "fun" to stir the pot, then log dumped to RoK's enemies in an attempt to get them rolled. Doesnt matter if the logs are faked or not. You still tried to get your former protectorate rolled. I realize Hoo may have said he didnt want anything to do with you after that, but guess what, he was probably pissed. If you had given it time, he may have warmed up to you again. But no, instead you make a rash decision and try to get them rolled.
Ragnarok - 6,520,270Athens - 5,862,750
Global Order Of Darkness - 3,056,785
\m/ - 2,285,466
TOTAL - 17,725,271
However, when you throw in the combined NS of the rest of SF and C&G, you're over 100 mill NS...and don't think for a minute the rest of those blocs weren't "on call if needed", because they were.
edit: grammar is fun
And Im sure TPF's allies were in waiting too right? The numbers didnt add up to a curbstomp.
Seriously, canceling treaties because the other alliance had a conscience and enacted the 'optional' clause gains Athens and RoK no points in my book.How is log dumping to get your former protectorate rolled "having a conscience"?
Allegedly. Seeing as it is relatively easy for either party to fake a log...I'd have to say that this little pissing contest is starting to get old, boring, and tiring.Ill say it again, it doesnt matter if the logs were faked or not, they were given to your former protectorate's enemies in an attempt to get them rolled. Doesnt matter if faked or not, some conversations are meant to be private, and keeping them that way after a minor falling out, would have shown a lot of respect.
A lot of Argent members are friends with ratonbox and other ADI members. We have no official relations between alliances, but our members are affectionate toward your alliance. I believe ratonbox was merely giving a shoutout, since he separated you from the rest of his hails.I echo this sentiment. In every thread I post in, this argument follows me. I believe people have enough evidence to make their own conclusions and everyone has the right to an opinion. However, that has nothing at all to do with what is going on in this thread.
You're right, we all have all the evidence needed to come to a single conclusion; you log dumped to get RoK rolled.
He pulled support for RoK well before CC was well organized and filled out. He either didn't support the curbstomp or has incredible powers of future vision.His feelings against the perceived curbstomp must have been pretty strong to drive him to try to have RoK rolled for it.
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The case for war is the backing of what is. It isn't the reason for, but rather based upon the threats or destructive actions partaken by one group on another (i.e one nation spying on another). Its counter-component would be, naturally, the casus foederis, which is the case of the alliance.
A case for war would be that person A spies on person B.
A cause of war would be that person B finds spying to be extremely unethical and feels violated because of this. Therefore they declare war as a means of defending their intellectual property.
Essentially the casus belli is one of several criterion explained in the Jus ad bellum (Just War).
Are you sure you dont still have it backwards? For example, wouldnt it be more like this:
The "cause" of the war being "person A spies on person B" - This is what actually "caused" person B to want to go to war
Then person B uses "person B finds spying to be extremely unethical and feels violated because of this. Therefore they declare war as a means of defending their intellectual property." as their "case" to go to war - This is what is presented to the masses to plead his "case"
No?
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<snip> I think in that sense it was a victory of sorts for avoiding a relatively dumb war in my eyes.
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Isnt that the truth, lol. Nice post. Also, you guys sooo should have called yourselves the BBC, that would have been so awesome.
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Just go back to filling in the blanks(making stuff up), Im not going to teach you basic English.
Those 24 wars (if you want to play it down) achieved peace in one day. Thats the most successful pound for pound blitz in history.
So, are you saying the intent of the Coincidence Coalition, from the get go, was to simply get peace for TPF, and NOT to do any actual fighting? Moral support for the purposes of negotiations? And, as such they were gloriously successful in their campaign, as evidenced by TPF getting peace within 24 hours?
By extension(and speculation) that would also mean that RoK was not declared upon in order to avoid global escalation. If you could provide any proof of this my man, I would applaud all of the alliances that made up the CC for their valiant diplomatic effort, in a war where diplomacy seemed to be thrown out the window.
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I want the names of the people who are responsible for this.
Like the sig, lol. Maybe thats what we should call this fiasco, WWE, worst war ever, lol.
Screw that. Everyone follow your original attack orders and GOGOGO right NAO!!!Dammit!!! My orders were to hold until further notice
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On that note, I move we officially dub this the cluster$%&@ war.
I second that motion, or third it if the other response counts as a second, lol.
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Well, this is surprising yet pleasing. Congrats to all involved.
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Because TPF is known for being spineless, right? I mean, it's not like they didnt just finish paying reps for a war they took immense damage from due entirely to pride, right?
So essentially, your justification for that laughable spin attempt is thus:
I believe that's an accurate summary of your nonsensical position. Good lord man, back out now, you're just embarrassing yourself with this faux intellectualism.
Lol, love how you leave out the name on the second quote, as if it was Owned who said it.
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Funny, what I see is everyone but Londo/Athens agreeing to white peace. As that doesn't end the war for TPF, I don't see any reason prohibiting TPF from walking away from the table when they did.
Don't forget that Athens and Co. had 6 whole days to realize what a waste this war was and the folly of continuing it. The onus for this war is partially on their shoulders; arguably a greater portion given their previous lack of diplomacy regarding this matter.
But, the fact that they said "this isnt going anywhere" when it quite obviously was, shows that they did not care where the negotiations were going. They now have their allies, and they now want their pound of flesh
Taking a cue from your MK brethren, merely saying "hold" could mean a number of different things.A proper response would have been "We are discussing the matter." Even then, there is no guarantee that Athens would agree. It certainly wouldn't mean that GOD, \m/, and RoK would peace out and leave Athens alone.
Regardless, why were these negotiations not taken seriously by Athens? This is indicated by the absence of Athens supreme ruler, Londo. Why were terms mentioned in the same time frame that TPF requested full white peace? Why did Hoo make the statement about the CB being valid?
All of these things, in addition to the presence of a mediator that TPF claims they didn't approve of, should lead one to at least suspect TPF really didn't think these talks were serious.
You're making the "assumption" that Athens didnt take the talks seriously. Also, from what Ive read Londo was there the whole time, just didnt respond right away. Ill say it again, the fact that Desperado left saying "this isnt going anywhere" when it quite clearly was, shows they no longer cared for peace.
It's a little late in this military action to call TPF the agressors. Athens and Co. started the military actions without trying diplomacy at the beginning and only seemingly came to their senses when they realized that TPF's allies were coming into the fight. They had DAYS to come to an agreeable solution. Athens and friends can't play the "we tried to stop the war" card when THEY were the instigators of military action. This entire thing could have been handled before the first war was declared on TPF.Umm, no its not a little late. TPF conspired to destroy Athens from the inside out. That is an aggressive action. Id be extremely pissed if I found out that another alliance was seeking the destruction of not only my nation, but my home. At that point emotion would have taken over and I can see why they attacked first. Just because they attacked "in game" first, it still doesnt change the fact that TPF not only wanted to go to war with Athens, they wanted to destroy them from the inside out. If not for the falling out they may have continued with their plan, regardless of the end of the Karma war. No one can say for sure.
I think this whole war is foolishness. The diplomacy from both sides has been lacking. But, at this point in time, I see TPF as being the ones who want to escalate things. If this whole mess is not sorted out tonight, or in the next day or 2, Im guessing we are all going to find out who it is that really wants this war, as judging by the way things have gone so far, someone is going to release the logs of the negotiations, if there is any.
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Nueva Vida Declaration of War
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[quote name='Kn1nJa' date='05 February 2010 - 09:48 PM' timestamp='1265435283' post='2163252']
I am not trying to make myself look like a super badass or anything like that. I am simply having way too much fun with this war, and have never had a 6 on 1 war before. What would YOU do in my situation if you were the lone alliance being declared on by 14, and you couldn't even get 3 people to attack you?
Cut the excuses .... you guys just fail at war. The only alliance I respect so far in this is Nordreich. Not only were they able to mostly fill my slots, but they have proven that they know how to fight well (which makes it so much more fun).
All I ask is for one little attacker. Is that too much to ask?
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Looks like you got what you asked for:P
[quote name='The AUT' date='05 February 2010 - 11:57 PM' timestamp='1265443066' post='2163978']
Hoka-hey! It's a good day to brag about being on the winning side of a curb-stomp and abandoning your allies who defended you last war for your other ones like you do every war!
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[quote name='The AUT' date='06 February 2010 - 12:29 AM' timestamp='1265444964' post='2164052']
I've discussed it with them and told them I thought they were being played. Here you guys are, declaring war on their friends and allies and having zz shoot out at the mouth about how much damage he's going to cause. Repeatedly they've gone to bat for you, and not once have you supported them in militarily in any way. However they won't listen, and my signature is made out to the likes of you. It's one of the reasons why I dislike the allies of my allies but there's nothing I can do to change it. I just hope they learn from this repeated betrayal and treachery to be wiser in the future and know when they're getting played. Until then enjoy your playstations.
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[quote name='The AUT' date='06 February 2010 - 12:51 AM' timestamp='1265446312' post='2164076']
Then congrats on defending the same side/ally every war. And they're in love for you for reasons I've no idea about. Seems like a one sided relationship. Then again the decisions my bloc has made time and time again has befuddled me so I won't even bother getting to know why they still feel that they should be allied to you. I guess pleading neutrality is harder to do than hitting an ally of an ally whom decided to take on alliances on the other "side" for you last war. But anyways change the stars, quick to forget, etc.
Have fun, and just a heads up to PnL, I will stay out of this thread for your sake. But if you don't find a way to wake up from the sleep you're in, then I cannot help you and won't be bothered.
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What in the heck are you talking about. Do you have any idea whatsoever of what you are talking about? We have treaties. Some havent changed in a while, others are new. I dont think I ever remember a time when we didnt come to the aid of our allies. I challenge you to give ONE example of us bailing on any of our allies? Just one.