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[quote name='Roi Loup' timestamp='1299114068' post='2650189'] with 6 alliances attacking us, we must prioritize our attacks. koh was doing a very nice job fighting mn by themselves. i dont see why they would have needed our support until ve came in. when ve came in to fight koh, there was little we could do to support them other than attack ve, which we have been doing anyways. you are being intentionally obtuse about this arent you? [/quote] You keep calling people obtuse yet you keep ignoring half of the posts and only attacking the points that fit what you want to say(rather than the rest of the post that adds more support to the point you attacked). If I remember correctly VE has been wondering when someone was going to attack them since the beginning of this war. Part of my previous post stated that the reason VE was more of a threat to KoH and a strong Protector to Misfits was twofold. First they can give more nations to attack KoH, second they were able to do this because Polar and Co. left them with low counter attacks. It is not Misfit's fault that we took advantage of that situation. Also if you could not spare the guys to attack Misfits to help KoH, why can Polar throw 15 attacks at us(thats half our member count) the day peace with KoH was signed(looks like you COULD have done more than attack VE, KoH was just not worth it to you)...a good Protector would have sent those nations earlier to help their protectorate rather than later as "retribution". Also, Polar let Misfit's higher nations sit in War Mode for two weeks keeping Misfits alive to kill Polar's protectorate...two nations and you couldnt find a slot for them to slow Misfits down? I get tired of staring at a screen full of Peace Mode nations when my nuke anarchy ends and I go looking for targets...but hey more money I was able to send to nations attacking your Protectorate. If I were KoH I would be looking for a new Protectorate since the main help Polar seems to be able to give them is a mass of whiners on the OWF and a blind eye when needed. [quote] check the warfare. we are fighting back hard. (i know i sent out more nukes than i took, thats for sure.) [/quote] Well lets see if you are fighting 2 wars it would be safe to assume that you fire two nukes to hit both of them for every one taken to hit you. Every Polar nation I have fought turtled in under 3 days, and most didnt even bother nuking after day 5, but then again you may be the diamond in the rough that is Polar's war division.

[quote name='Roi Loup' timestamp='1299112315' post='2650132'] mn declared war on us and koh declared war on them. what other wars was mn in during this conflict? (i know ive asked this before but got no response) keep in mind we were hardly targeting them before this. [/quote] No one, we admit that. However its still 2v1(2 alliances vs 1 alliance) until VE came in...it is not our fault that when we fight with our Protectors they actually help us out and when KoH came in to fight with their protector Polar "hardly targets" the nations fighting their protectorate. KoH being outnumbered with VE in the war was more due to Polar playing with the treaty web to leave VE pretty clear and Polar not helping take out more of their Protectorate targets, so please stop blaming Misfits for taking advantage of your lack of support directed to KoH.

So you agree that depending on how you look at it pulling KoH to attack us helped your nations that were at war with ours...yet you then go on to say KoH v Misfits was 1v1 until VE was pulled in? Im lost... Polar + KoH = 2 alliances Misfits = 1 alliance Therefore Polar and KoH fighting Misfits is 2 alliance fighting 1 alliance. Where do people keep getting this 1v1 information?

[quote name='captain america' timestamp='1299104597' post='2649947'] congrats on peace KoH you guys fought your asses off, even after MN had to have VE bail them out from all the damage you were doing. kick back and relax for a bit guys, by the time we're through with them 75 million isn't even going to begin to rebuild MN [/quote] To follow this line of logic, Polar needed a micro to bail them out of all the damage we were doing?

[quote name='raasaa' timestamp='1299074234' post='2649548'] Small correction, it is a ridiculous amount considering KoH's size. The timeline provided is even worse. Heck, even if i were to assume that reps are justified and the namount is reasonable, the fact that terms require the loot to come from KoH nations is even more ridiculous.....at least allow their allies to help by sending the reps. [/quote] The timeline is 2 months before half is due. As pointed out, they should(provided they have someone with average economic intelligence working with them) be able to have 4-5 nations capable of repayment by that time. Should they have issues we would cross that bridge when needed. The initial offer was made for slightly higher monetary reps(the tech reps did not change)that was payable by any alliance/nation that wanted to help. It was turned down. KoH made the choice to slow its rebuilding and keep the reps in house in exchange for lower reps. As for reps being offered at all. We dont all have the massive nations sitting in peace mode that can send hundreds of millions at the end of a war. We cant afford to be nice and give everyone white peace. You can play at war like its a suburban little league game where everyone shakes hands at the end and says good game because the match really changes nothing, we choose to treat it like it is. When politics fail and nukes start flying someone is going home the loser, and not the "OMG I HAZ LESS PIXELS BUT ITZ OK WHITE PEACE" loser, but the type of loser that gets to help the victor rebuild a bit and really know that they lost.

[quote name='WorldConqueror' timestamp='1299045434' post='2649325'] Yes, them deciding to fight on in defense of their allies certainly means they wanted to pay you for the trouble when it was finished. [/quote] Correct If they value their allies enough to attempt to destroy my alliance mates then yes they understand and accept that they will be asked to pay reps should they fail. When I ask Misfits to attack an alliance in defense of VE I understand that should we lose reps will probably come our way. I value my alliance mates enough to make sure the guys attacking them with only an optional obligation to do so pay them for some of the damage they caused.

[quote name='Wu Tang Clan' timestamp='1299045108' post='2649317'] I agree with you in most cases. Certain alliances should be held to reps. But this is an alliance with 2 nations capable of aiding. And they only entered because they're ally was hit, and was countered by 2 more alliances, one of them being sanctioned. Come on, even you have to see this as a little harsh... This is not only a huge expense for an alliance their size, but it was also hinder their rebuilding efforts for essentially a month, which is especially important with their small nation base. [/quote] The fact that the alliance they attacked has had more wars with a previously sanctioned alliance than Hyrule had with VE and CB combined means nothing to you guys does it. They turned down white peace twice and dragged the war out. Now they pay for it. God forbid there are consequences for declaring a losing war. They have 2 months to pay off half the reps, if they cant rebuild in that time to have more than two nations with decent enough size to help pay reps then they are lacking in econ skills or they had no warchests to aid in their rebuilding(which would mean a responsible alliance leader wouldnt have oAed into a war with low warchests).

[quote name='wickedj' timestamp='1299044880' post='2649311'] Irony that the king moralist is involved in extorting reps.... [/quote] Might I ask who the king moralist is? I have never met a member of Misfits who ever claimed that title, nor one who deserved it.

[quote name='WorldConqueror' timestamp='1299044282' post='2649294'] So first you have VE and CB help you out with KoH, and then when it's all over you require reps too. [b]heh[/b] [/quote] More like White Peace gets offered and rejected. We inform them in 2 days time we will bring our allies and friends to bear on them and offer White Peace again, it was again rejected. When they realize they lost they come crying for White Peace, we took a card from their deck and rejected it... We figured giving them two offers of white peace was enough and if they wanted to keep turning it down it must mean they actually wanted reps.

[quote name='The MVP' timestamp='1299043430' post='2649274'] I guess you'd know considering you were there. And then Pacifica got beat down and taken out from power and then you were not there and now you are here. You're like Sparta but in micro form. [/quote] Those that knew our collective founders reasons for leaving Pacifica had nothing to do with they got smacked around. It had everything to do with internal drama that has no business in this thread. Should you wish to hear the reason you are welcome to PM me. However, due to the reason not fitting your "well planned" propaganda campaign I doubt I will get that message.

[quote name='goldielax25' timestamp='1299040813' post='2649206'] Congrats to Calle for posting a hideous version of our flag in your terms, and for MN in getting peace here [/quote] I blame Sho

[quote name='Bob Ilyani' timestamp='1299040624' post='2649198'] I'm disappointed that reps are going to be considered standard in the war from now on... oh well. I still love your avatar Callebaut. [/quote] White peace was offered a long time ago, it was turned down. But lets not soil this happy day with complaining. It was a fun fight guys, good luck to you in the future KoH.

[quote name='erikjsch' timestamp='1296789418' post='2618630'] So it takes three alliances(VE, MN, and CB) to attack an alliance that is pretty much fighting alone... And yet we are the ones whining? [/quote] There is no complaining coming from us, we are having fun. Also, from you there is no we...you are a POW

[quote name='mompson' timestamp='1296756318' post='2617907'] Guess how many wars there were between NpO and Misfit? Two. I know you guys are a small alliance, but are you really going to argue that it was uneaven because of two wars? By adding VE you pretty much did nothing. There were nine between VE and KoH. So it's pretty much still even. You "making it even" was you realizing, "Oh crap, KoH is stronger then we thought" and running to mommy VE. As for your second statement, LOL! Of your alliance's 22 nations, 20 of them are under 20k NS. KoH has 24 nations under 20k. That is plenty of targets to pick from. [/quote] Actually there were a few more than that. At the time of KoH's declaration we had 6 nations in war with NpO(some of which who had 2 nations on their war screen), thats 4 more than were in war when KoH started complaining about VE having to come in. As for your second statement, guess I just need to sell infra to find those "plenty of targets". [quote] Your "toys" that caused you to lose roughly 1/3 of your NS? [/quote] Nukes will do that...to bad they cant keep it up. That loss due to nukes is not something that is horrible. Especially when 10 of those nukes were thrown by NpO nations not KoH. [quote] No one is saying this is unfair. We just think it's funny that you have to call on three different alliances to take out an alliance of 28 nations. Also, you might want to check what you write. > means [i]more than[/i] . It looks like you're complimenting KoH on keeping their WCs above 1 million when it's 3 v.s. 1. [/quote] Misfits "called on" 0, we just said yeah you can attack. However, only 2 alliances attacked, so if thats what you call "called on" then we called on 2... I guess we can all typo, I hit the wrong sign(yes I was trying to say less than) and you either cant count how many we called in or hit the wrong number...oh wait you typed out three, must be the first option then. There are alot of things I find funny, "calling on" another alliance every time the enemy whines definitely is one of them, it makes me smile to see them whine more. So I guess we both find this funny

[quote name='mompson' timestamp='1296752111' post='2617837'] This. Misfit gets rolled by KoH, so they call on VE and Celestial Being for help. LOL this makes me proud to have KoH as a protectorate. [/quote] You can spin this however you want, however I dont remember getting rolled. We took an uneven war(2v1, I know a lot of people here are bad at math and are thinking KoH and NpO vs Misfits was a 1v1 between KoH and Misfits, but we can let that go for now) and made it even(2v2 by adding our Protector). Then CB gets bored and wants some targets. Since KoH has dropped to low for some of our nations to attack we figured we would let our friends have some fun. We are not desperate, we were just taught to share our toys. Not once did we run to an ally and/or friend and say "Come Help!!!!!!". Each time they came to us wanting to close down a front faster and get a few more targets of their own. I see nothing wrong with that. Frankly the only thing I see that has me disturbed is the strange thought that war is fair, and that the strength of an alliance is all in its troops. War is fought to win, there is nothing fair about it, and the strength of an alliance is in the troops it can bring to the front AND the allies that come along with it. We cant help that we are just militarily better prepared(hows <1m in 1/2 of your WCs treating you KoH?) and politically better connected that KoH and the talking mouths in this place have nothing better to do but complain about "Its not fair" or "because they wont fight you 2v1 or fairly then they are desperate". War is not fair, never has been, never will be. Get over it.