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Not true at all, Fatality asked me to peace out with Stevie....
To: paul711 From: Fata1ity Date: 7/25/2015 4:44:54 PM
Subject: Peace out
Message: Send Stark Junior a peace offer.
A gesture of kindness on our behalf will go a lot further than denying him over 20 days of back collections.
I have spoken with him and he has requested it.
Any issues, let me know.
My reply was that I would continue to fight him even if I had to leave. That to peace out with him was stupid.
he replied with this....
To: paul711 From: Fata1ity Date: 7/25/2015 10:27:31 PM
Subject: Stark Junior
Message: He sent me the message you sent him.
I don't care about Stevie, you can do what you like with him but as long as you're with us you'll need too peace out.
I'll keep you in on our gov boards but you may have to jump ship. I thought you would have done this anyway. :P
Either that or i figured OP would hit him.
Let me know if you have another plan or we screw that and keep the pressure on him.
So it was pre-arranged that I leave D1 so that you guys could have deniability. I did not want to bring this up here but you had to prod and speak of things you don't understand. Also, if I was such a know it all how come you offered me co-leadership of D1 next round which I turned down?
In my advice to you I repeatedly said that the only way to gain any credibility from this round was for you to perma war these guys. If you had hit Avengers solo, like I suggested, then if the others had jumped in, which they may well have, you would have garnered some support from the other AAs but as it stands it looks as though you made your bed and now you must lie in it.
Back sliding eh? Not what you said on your gov forums and in PMs to me you were giddy about his nation burning.
As a side note I have no intention of abandoning D1 as I started fighting with them I will continue and no OP nations will interfere. No matter my personal feelings I will not abandon people in war.
For the record Paul I already knew most of this and what I didn't know I could fill in.
While I don't agree with you not giving SG peace (RL issues and all) I do commend you for not abandoning the war. I can't say that I would have done the same, as it seems Fatal tried to use you and to boot behind CB's back. As I said before, Fatal has let the cat out of the bag on a few things during our conversations the past few days, so I know CB is not solely responsible for all the BS D1 has been doing....he even told me that it was RE who wanted to hit TDO just out of war like we were. The whole damn thing is pathetic in my opinion, but add this to the list of reasons why nations are
Leaving the game.BG, Paul got the boot by fata. For the record! Couldnt follow an order, he was told to send peace to Stevie who hasnt been warring not around. Paul had his chance now OP can deal with it his know it all.
We do like Stevie he's always the toughest leader of alliances. So we decided to back off of Stevie seems to have RL issues going on. Stevie makes TE a better game and is a true gamer no grudes. He's always weary if anything, knows the angles of the game. Stevie has others incharge now so we turned up the fire again (talk broke down) on his nation because of AA threats. A promise to come for us every round, so this grudging leader has started to derail Stevies master piece AA. So we will be glad to see those things chg when Stevie returns, putting things back in order. We like taunts, but threats are a whole new issue.
One thing you have to learn about TE the AA & nations with out grudges do well, while the grudging AA & nations fall out.
CB, please tell me who on our side has threatened perma war next round? Please show proof with copies.
I think you need to talk to Fatal about who has made threats of perma war, and caring a grudge over to next round.
If he denies it, let me know and I'll post copies of his threats.
As I stated, you alone are not the fault of D1's actions the past few rounds, but your also sure not trying to better it either!
AMEN to that my friend!!!Could quite possibly drink some of your own kool aid mate. Seems you also for the 'betterment' of TE need to let grudges go and bygones be bygones.
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Can I be in 2 alliances at the same time :P
Kong I hope every thing in RL is ok and that this is temporary!
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This war's already over, BG! What are you, hourly? :P
Over? Wow, I guess I really missed it lol! -
Hmm, I some how missed this.
Well GL to both you guys!!
BG -
It is with heavy heart that I stand before you today to announce that we have decided to accept Defcon 1 and 2's surrender. Unfortunately there is a heavy demand for their war slots and not enough supply.
We wish our friends in the Avengers, The Dark Order, and Eurasia the best of luck - not that they need it.
And to Hoosier: buddy, stop trying your best and instead be the best of somebody who's better. Otherwise, under your leadership, I'm afraid Defcon 1 won't be able to sustain itself much longer.
Best,
Secret
The Messenger
Understandable, and I think based on my talks with fatal the past 2 days he is just as equally at fault with the actions of D1.Lol I can't lie--the D2 stuff is pretty hilarious.
It is, you know I started that :P didn't know it would catch on like it has but hey, RE should be proud!
True that, seems they lost the best thing that happened to them when you left ;)If only you had listened to me none of this would be happening.
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Eurasia has broken the moral gentlemen's agreement of TE... it's time for us to save the round from unethical bullies..
o/ Defcon
o/ RE
Lol, you have no room to talk Mit, you have shoved REs name in the dirt all round. Breaking community rules one after the other. To think I use to believe you stood for something, Morals and a fair fight if nothing else. I helped bring RE into existence, many rounds ago and they have never been a heavy hitter, but they always had morals, integrity and a bunch of good peeps...Kiwi, giggs, staccs, just to name a few. But you have ran RE into the ground, and sadly you members will suffer for your conduct.
Where have you been man?? No at the start of the round RE and D1 pulled a curbstomp move, they were given peace.Didn't TDO/Avengers or someone try to hold D1 down into a war at the start of the round? That could be the seed that started all this hate.
When will people learn that might is right in this game? All this bull about violating unwritten gentlemanly rules is entertaining. The sooner people learn that you need to stop trusting other people to do the right thing, the better off we'll all be. There is absolutely no place for morality in this world.
Really there is only one way to solve this--straight up blood feud that lasts at least a third of next round. None of the 5 days and peace nonsense. Put your money where your mouth is and fight to the death.
They then attacked Eurasia when they hit NDO, the war was almost a round long war but I got it peaced.
Then you guys and US/TDO had a war 10 days after our war with D1 and RE and they hit us again 4-5 days out of war with you.
My opinion as well as most in TE, D1 and RE have no place to complain about this and really deserve it.
But the Truth is, TDO and TA were killing them and we didn't need anyone to jump in even though they deserve every bit of this.
With that said, I've never been one to dog pile or curbstomp anyone, especially longer than the original wars ending,even if they deserve it.
BG
Edit** might never makes right, it makes it possible for that specific alliance to do wrong and be asshats, but it never makes the immoral actions by the alliance right. I think every leader in this game has a reasonable responsibility to play fair. That's not to say that someone still won't get mad because they got attacked, or that they feel the odds were not close enough, but at least you and you gov know you did your best to give a honest and fair war, to keep it fun, and keep good sportsmanship. -
Um. Is there a translator in the house?
Lol, I'll do my best;
Paul left D1 because he told CB, DT, and Fatal that hitting TDO fresh out of war was a bad idea.
He also said hitting TDO and TA at the same time was even a worse idea....the rest is CB talking
shiat about SG and WH, all of which is A, irrelevant and B, not true.
CB you would probably do better to just admit you were wrong in your actions over the past few rounds.
Just say'n
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She is off this round and maybe even next as she is getting married....
Welcome back Mordor
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Well cowboy, this is what I'm talking about, you did this to yourself and many in TE feel you had this coming!
YOU and D2(RE) can't break all the norm rules when you see fit, have every excuse why you did it then
come here and complain about it happening to you.
I think I see a common theme in this thread.....something about you in a hole ;)
GL Eurasia, not that you will need it ;) -
Amen to that brother....So if the stats, numbers facts and everything else weight up.
Not forgetting that this is something that re stood against when it happened to the alliance ndo(who I hold dearly). They stood up and called it an outrage that someone declare war inside the gentlemens grace period that is common in TE. They also decide that ghost Dec's are a great idea and claim things are even when the wars occur.
I for one as a neutral party am inclined to want to see these stats that is being defined. I would also like for all parties involved as I'm neutral in this and will not name names to stick to such agreements that have been common place throughout TE.
I'm thinking there must be something in the cool aid cowboy is passing around cause this ain't the RE I used to know. Sure I expect this from D1, they have always been the biggest whiners if something happened to them that they claimed we're against the gentlemen's agreement/community rules and yet we're the first ones to do the very things they complained about while at the same time make up an excuse to validate breaking said rules.
Sad thing is I remember when RE were pissed when this sort of thing happened to them, and even remember when mitten gave Cowboy a thrashing for low blows and repeated rule violations or what not.
As stated though, this war you guys at least had better stats. I just don't want to hear anything come from your side in rounds to come if/when you guys are attacked 5-6 days fresh out of war....just saying!
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Lol, this was Epic Caz!
@ Com, I think we all started out as "sap", just the best part of some of your side ran down their momma's leg :P
@ The cool and the gang bunch formally known as Cowboys Crew or defcon 1 and 2 (RE), I need more warz!!
I expect by the time I get back in town to have my slots full....Caz I'm coming home a day early to kill these rats!
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Yeah I have to agree Cal, and the other thing is it's far easier for Rouges to just reroll.
At any rate it is/was interesting to say the least :/
BG -
Wow, got home from work after being up 22 hrs pulling a double and found like 40 messages in my in box!
You guys caught me with my pants down on this one....it would help if this rain would ever stop here, on the bright side
my pay check over the last few weeks was almost doubled (taxes suck) and I just save a ton on my car insurance :P
o/ to a fun war
GL to everyone
BG -
I'm glad to see you guys here, and especially with active players...of course I would expect nothing less from NPO ;)
Glad I could help bring this to a closure, just remember, this is just a game and it's meant to train and have fun.
BG -
By God, I think he gets it.
Yeah, he does.....it's funny how even new comers in TE see just how bad the hypocrisy is.
BTW, welcome back Paul ;)
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Thanks KN, I'll let Cal and Frawley know, hopefully in enough time as they are both now not on IRC.
Congrats on peace to all!
BG
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I have been diligently working to achieve peace between NDO and Eurasia for days now, and as of today with RE and D1.
As CB said D1 is agreeing to peace, RE seems on board as KN said it could work for the 10-11th update for peace and has posted
in their announcements for everyone to comment. Eurasia has just agreed to peace as well, so I'm glad to say that this is all but a done deal
depending on RE....
I sincerely hope RE is on board :)
Thank you to the leaders of the respective alliances!
BG
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Very good Stats HF, and especially the no nuke or dirty spy ops ;)
GL with the war
BG
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The 15 day rebuild starts from the day the war starts....At least that's my understanding and opinion of it.I was asked to leave this alone so for my last post here i will say that i did not say i was a noob. I asked if i was because this is my 3rd round but i have taken great interest in the politics but only watching. I also did some investigating whether or not this 15 day rebuild was a fact but it is not and if you look at the dates this here tells us what the rebuild time was.
http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?/topic/126558-wds-d1-declare-on-avengers-nightmare-movement/
This war started on April 17 D1/Wd vs Avengers/NM
http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?/topic/126620-the-dark-order-dow/
This war started on May 01 TDO vs D1/WD
Assuming the first war was a full round then you have to minus 5 days means the war finished on the 22nd so that wold mean a 10 day rebuild, not a 15 day. Maybe you forgot about that.
I never said Citadel were bad peeps, i am only repeating what others have been saying about them ducking wars until everyone else has gone to war but if that was because everyone was to busy then i understand that. That would certainly clear the air about what some people think about them. I have no problems with them at all and seeing an old leader return they may now all find the time to play some TE with the rest of us in the first half of the round and not 2nd half.
I only remember Citadel being way under everyone elses stats but i can't support that from just memory alone and claim its a fact. I can make a guess but i believe figures and numbers should be shown as proof and not guessed from memory and used as fact. They are building exceptionally faster this round and its very clear to see this. RL can get in the way for all of us at times.
Reason being is, once war starts, you may collect that day but the vast majority of players do not collect or can't because of anarchy during the war. Thus you have 5-6 days of uncollected taxes when the war ends to go towards rebuilding. Put that with the 10 days of peace, and you have the 15 days rebuild time.
Reguardless of anything, it's been pointed out by D1 and I believe a few RE nations that this is a retaliation from TDO's war with D1 and WD last round. First off, that war was far more fair, and it was last round. That war was also a result of their unfair actions in several ways.
This war will be remembered for a very long time, TDO is not here for awards, flags or any reason other than to play as fair as possible, and war.
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Private Ryan I don't have time to read through all your BS, but my bet is your not a noob at all....In fact i'll just call you out on it and say your more than likely
someone whom was banned or just plain hiding under this name.
Citadel are good peeps, you don't know shiat about them, especially if its what you "heard".
TDO is a fair alliance, I wouldn't be in it if it wasn't, let alone one of the leaders.
TDO attacked over 50 nations with our 28 last round. We also gave WD and D1 15 days to rebuild before we attacked, far less than what was given
to TA when that bloc formed. We also had like what, 34 nukes while D1 and WD combined had 8 and had 16 SDI's to our 6 when that war started.
BY FAR A MORE EVEN AND FAIR WAR THAN THIS!
This however as stated by many (even in D1) is a massive down declare, is a focus on TDO and our elite 14 players.
Also, TDO has many not even keeping up as RL calls....including myself. I missed the first days of attacks as did several of us due to
RL. My opinion is this is a game, just a game....TDO will always strive to be better at it and be as fair as possible.
This act from D1 we will remembered.
There will always be other rounds, and this round is just getting started :)
BG
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I am so confused. FF and krabz are both ran by people that came from TDO last round. You are basically all the same TDO last round. So why do you keep stating they are noobs? TDO pretending they keep their hands clean just makes me laugh. Sounding pretty hypocritical up in here.
Doesn't surprise me your confused....FF has one nation from TDO in it, to my knowledge he is not the leader, and the rest are noobs. Krabs has like 6-7 nations from TDO last round, the rest are noobs. Still, as Caz said we are all separate alliances.
Since your confused though and I'm sure it will be hard to grasp, let me lay it out like this;
Sorta like last round when DT left your alliance to join D1, you had no control over her right?
She chose to leave as did othe nations in you AA over that round to join D1.
Well we have no control over who stays and who leaves, it's that simple.
Exactly, and it's all cool for them now, but every one knows if any other alliance would have done this to them, they would be the first to complain about it.What I see here is D1/RE defining the rules of engagement for this round.
1. Attack nations at 69-100 infra and outgrow them, never give them a chance to recover.
2. Dirty spy ops are cool.
3. Down declare/ up declare is out of consideration for this round.
4. No unstated community rules to be followed.
So be it.
Just dont be hypocritic on forums and say that its friendly and clean. Its just plain war. No need to defend, actions can speak for themselves.
Good luck to all.
TDO, isn't even really responding to this war as of yet because of RL stuff with everyone, and work.
No worries though, as we said its early in the round and the fun is just beginning :)
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That's actually a very even fight.
remember, we all started with much-much more this round and the spread across three alliances was necessary because early in a round there are people that build up and people who stay low.
Earlier rounds it was about getting to those econ improvements and everyone is very capable of being nuclear on day 1 and we all put our pants one leg at a time the first 7 days (as opposed to the 10 days starting with 10 million) so this was a very easy decision.
Actually it's not an even fight, as stated Krabs is 95% noobs, and only 1/3 even built.
FF is the same, so that leaves about 14 nations in TDO.Yo TE Gamers
Our Mission was to begin this w/Mega impact of the upscaled warchests. If you didnt make a plan and exercise it, then thats on you! I know most chose the ussual way day colossal delays w/building objectives. Reaching for more money was more important that protecting yourself in a hostile enviroment. Well, we rocked TE in the wee of the night making everyone heads up to the new Mega round at hand!
If your butt hurt revengeful then all that will just come back too yourselves. Man up take the challenge, many of you have larger Warchest and position to respond. The numbers were pretty much even considering we had about 16 newbies and your boards read veteran building nations.
When we considered all the targets, we new whom ever we had chose would not be a happy camper. A 100mil start allows a lot of things, growth was not gonna be allowed by D1. Everyone will have their chance to battle here, other wars are only around the corner for all of TE.
No worries CB, TDO gave D1 the chance to man up them selves and stick to the community rules this round, last round was once and this round makes twice that you made early DoW's. No hard feelings here on TDO's side, we live by the eye for an eye rule and we don't make the same mistake twice. What you need to consider here is, what comes next ;)Lesson #2 When you are declared on, do not resort to "it's a massive down-declare" whining
Your right LH, probably since we hear so much of it from other alliances when odds/stats are actually closer, we just let it get the best of us. We are done complaining, let's just war and put you in your place ;)
You also are correct KN, this is why we are here.....To war and rebuild, to war and rebuild.Normally I hand out tissues in these threads. Seems we need daipers as well for some of you.
Not to stop you flinging your poo, it's to stop the crap from oozing from every orifice.
TE is about fighting and blowing stuff up. There is always noobs. There are always veterans. It's is always a fair fight because everyone was a noob and had to learn and everyone starts same same. Every time.
This round has a much more even playing field for obvious reasons that the cry babies are choosing to ignore.
This is about people who bought an economic wonder when they now in hindsight wish they bought a MP.
From our side of the fence this a little bit amusing.
It's our mistake that we gave the benefit of the doubt to D1 this round and as stated, it won't happen again.
However since I have always been a supporter of RE from way back, I just expected better from you guys.
Let's just remember a few things here, this is just the start of the round....TDO will endure and we don't forget.
So let's see where we all stand 6-7 days from now :)
Also let me say this, we at TDO do not take lightly of dirty spy ops or spying money. We will return the favor to those
It was done by, and if it keeps up those nations will not get peace.
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War happens exactly one hour after war is allowed, I think we have a record for earliest alliance war in TE :P
Good luck to everyone, especially TDO
I think your right :)
This is however the second time the standard community rules of no war until at least after day 10 have been broken.
And it's no surprise that D1 is behind it.....I guess the "Pandora's box" has been open for many rounds to come ;)
o/ WAR
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This will definitely be interesting, can't wait :)
BG
Round 37?!
in Cyber Nations Tournament Edition
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Well I'm checking about every other day, and honestly the break in between is fine with me....At least during
the summer months as I'm about as busy as a one legged man in an ass kicking contest :P
BG