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I'll say that spying may have been viewed differently but it's still condoned by more people than you think.
I certainly condone it, why not? Nobody gets hurt, someone just gets info. Spying is apparently bad morally but telling someone you'll do a tech deal with them or something such if they send you 3 mil and then never sending them the tech is fine. I've seen the later quite a few times now.
In response to the OP, better with.
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So? You think that matters? Back when I was in the NPO, whenever we had reps or extortion money coming in, the vast majority always ended up in the hands of the Emperor, his IOs, and a select group of friends. The common member never saw much, if any.
Well, I don't know about that. Of course Moo and friends always got aid when they had spots, common members did get aid too. I got some aid and I refused some aid.
I have. Ive also lied to him. But that isnt the point I was making.Well, "lol Cortath" is hard to interpret. I was just saying that if Cortath says this guy was abrasive, I believe him.
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What has been seen cannot be unseen....
edit: smart edit thar, OP.
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further points of interest are the absurd notion that npo ever gave a damn about being the number one alliance in terms of score
This has probably long since blown over but.. There were a number of discussion at the time (shortly before the GPA war) that there was recruitment trouble because we were not number one and that's why we were stagnating in terms of membership. But don't let facts get in the way of your argument.
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That being said;
lol cortath.
Not sure what's meant by this but if Cortath said it, it has a 99% chance of being true; I've never seen him lie.
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I remember FAN being worse than NPO.
I remember joining NPO and attacking FAN.
I remember leaving NPO.
I remember FAN changing for the better.
I predict FAN changing for the worse.
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OOC: Now I'm sure you know my opinion on things, but I'm just going to point out that this argument can be used both ways. Now that you've said Chief was referring to Moo's IC character, he can in turn say that Zhadum was referring Doitzel's IC character.
My last OOC ITT:
[05:35] <~Zhadum> I am going to make [Doitzel's] life one long nightmare[05:35] <~Zhadum> If I am banned from CN, I am going to have a lot of free time
[05:35] <~Zhadum> Making [Doitzel] the most miserable $%&@er on the planet is a good use of it
It's pretty much impossible to claim that IC because..well...he's talking about being banned and doing stuff afterwords, which would of course be OOC.
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And this clearly gives you the moral highground here. Guess you have your members that are way over the top as well.
OOC: Talking about IC characters in IC is different than saying "If I am going to be banned [ie, OOC], bla bla." /OOC
Edit: Seems you are aware of this as Schattenmann points out lower you do it yourself. Guess you're just trying to distract then.
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It shows that one IO has a problem treating some members with respect. Since you were there, why did you not grab the thread where I slammed the image made by Mask? After I had the image moved to our lockbox.
OOC: Good to hear NPO takes actions on the OOC front (though I did not think that was OOC but that's another matter), that's my honest opinion too. If you had thought this was IC however, you wouldn't have done anything about IOs mistreating your members, ie, see Zhadum.
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Not quite. The IO treatment of NPO members is not crap
If you want to be treated the way IOs treat everyone, demonstrated here by Zhadum (that is, have your posts deleted without so much as a word and then blown off, yelled at and also threatened as "attempt[ing] public defamation of opposing views" for asking why you were banned from your own channel) join NPO! And when you are long gone, they will still claim their IOs are awesome and their treatment of members is fine. Long live the Order!
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Zha was it? Considering him, he is an evil and nasty character. And we love him for that.
This is why I love NPO. You bring up IO treatment of everyone else as crap and they blow it off with "yeah but he's just awesome."
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Cute, also, if you are going to reroll, do reroll, instead of just making a nation so you can post on these forums.
OOC: NPO nations telling others how to play? That's new.
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What part of "But he never actually got that mask" (Edited for spelling) do you not understand?
Even if he had gotten an academy mask, he would not have a demoted mask. Not a not-npo mask.
If he never got that mask then why are your members saying he failed the exam? You can't even try the exam without it:
He didn't pass the exam, as you can clearly see by his "Not NPO" mask.Why don't you educate your members before you try to claim we are wrong.
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He lied on his application, and might as well string him on for a few days to milk his comic humor. Also you act like 15 M is a lot of cash, some nations make that in a day.
Say Zeta, if 15 million isn't much, can I have some?
Star, stop your bs, you were a past member and the way we have masked Cadets hasn't changed too much in the last two years. You are not a member of the order still you pass the exam. period.Cadets have always been considered members, they certainly have different masks than "not NPO" and they are able to see NPO guides. I remember asking if I was a member when I was a cadet and the answer I was given is yes. This is a technicality, I suppose whichever IO told me yes thought they were members but some think otherwise. If you want to get off the topic, why don't you stop distracting with it? And I know I was a past member, how else do you think I know how this works, magic?
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Well, we did find out SOMEHOW.
You mean over half a year after he was gone?
If you cared so much about these downtrodden souls the NPO has their deathgrip on, then why are you lying/tricking/stealing and worsening their cyber-lives?Do you see us wearing a FAN mask?
Regarding the IO situation, looks as if Dilber planned on dealing with Zha'dum behavior. You basically proved that abusive behavior is not approved by the higher-ups in NPO.I give credit to Dilber for saying something (though I am 99.99% sure that nothing was done about it besides a quick IO discussion about needing to keep the sheep happy), which is more than what happens generally. Also, if it's not approved by higher-ups then why is Zhadum doing it...he's an IO, you realize this?
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Wow, you really don't remember how it works, do you? Quit while you're behind.
I remember quite well. What's funny is that I know better than current members and I have not spoken to any spies. Or are you going to keep stating that people can see the guides with a "not NPO" mask?
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He never was a member as you stated he was. "He would be a member" line is a tacit admittance to your factual error and also inability to read and comprehend.
An applicant is someone who has not been accepted. Anyone past that is a member (including people who have not taken the exam yet, just being able to see the exam and guides means you are accepted and given a different mask). He was accepted. He was a member. He was kicked out for revealing himself to be a spy.
Any schmuck can pull a stunt he did, creating an account, accessing open forum for deals and making a scam.Great victory in that,....
If any FAN nation can get NPO members to send them aid, what does that say about your members? Maybe you need to step up the academy and step off the pseudo philosophical questions like "What is more important, the heart or the brain?"
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Actual you get a Academy Mask that gets you to basically nothing but he never actual got that mask because we denined him
.Academy mask is a member mask. You can see NPO guides and everything. You can't see all the forums but once you get that mask you're a member unless you fail the exam. Stop claiming that all he had was a not NPO mask, that is an obvious lie.
Bilrow, learn to read. According to your members, he was approved and he failed the exam, which is a further step.
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He didn't pass the exam, as you can clearly see by his "Not NPO" mask.
Uh, no, not really. His Not NPO mask is after he revealed he was a spy. You cannot take the exam with that mask because you cannot see the exam or any of the supposed "study" materials with it. You get an NPO mask after you are accepted, then you take the exam. You're not a full member, but you are a member. Don't they even teach you how your own alliance works?
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Ah Zhadum, the best IO since SDRD... Oh wait.
Also, LV is back
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That's not quite how I remember it West of Eden. You weren't prohibited from asking the IO's to do something, they just had every right to say "no." I don't really know what you're talking about.
Depends on which subjects. Day to day, no, you weren't prohibited from asking IOs stuff. But when the subject came to something they didn't like in the slightest, all discussion had to go underground. You don't remember those long posts on the forums where their point was "by asking us to do something, particularly in front of other NPO members [like in #npowned], you're trying to force our hand and will be expelled?" They called this "respectful requests" or something, saying that anything else was treasonous. This was the case with the tech corps when it got shut down, I remember someone from that department messaging me saying that if I want it back, I should talk with IOs but not tell them that anyone asked me to.
In other news, we could have included that NPO members are afraid to come into our channel (and several have been expelled for doing so). You'll admit Shodemofi that doing pretty much anything against exactly what the IOs wanted got you either expelled or yelled at in NPO - their members are scared of the IOs, which isn't the way an alliance should function.
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When I was in NPO the IOs were so dissatisfied with the Tech Corps that they abolished it and everyone else had to beg to get it back, although technically that was prohibited (yes, you are not allowed to ask IOs that they make any changes because then you are just trying to force them and stuff, at least that's how they reasoned it) and people went around in private talking about it.
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And by better future, you mean a future in which you and your allies are in power and Pacifica and Her allies are not. Nothing more. Drop all the revolutionary bull and just state what it is you really want. Power.
Pretty sure almost everyone would agree that indeed is a better future. But none of this relates to this thread, though I think it seems to be resolved - NPO won't accept reparations and so the guy is headed off to ZI but he is ok with that and plans to rebuild. I agree with RV's advice, talk to an IO - maybe you'll catch them in a good mood and they'll let you off.
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Vox's still alive?
Hmm.
I've been gone for 5 months in a forced leave of absence because of my Internet, and to see this...just spoils everything.
NPO was not even kind enough to provide their puppets internet? What kind of life are you leading in Legion anyway..
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@ the title: no it's not. But I can see why the New Sith Order would claim so.