Seal Clubbing Skippe

Welcome! Help yourself to the beer in the fridge... The colors on the labels have all faded, so I don't know what brand they are. The fusebox is screwy, so they're all warm, but I'm sure they're still good. -Seal PS: Remember to nominate an alliance heir this time.

I think "The Bore War" seems appropriate at the current moment in time.

It's sad to see you go, but some things must come to pass.

And I assume you heard this from a reliable source? Sounds more like optimistic speculation from the ~ side. I wasn't in NPO gov, but I was in TPF's. All I know was that there was no indication anywhere in that channel of switching sides, or leaving the day after tomorrow.

Honestly, I don't remember anyone being dogpiled. I had reservations about it at first, but once I had the whole picture I agreed completely. But getting kicked out for it? I thought you left like, six months after UjW, roughly around the same time as Venhith and Pooks.

I know, I had noticed it before as well, but I didn't know what was behind it until after. Still, I can see why he didn't see it before then. The WUT forum wasn't exactly crowded with activity during that time - I only saw that particular page once, maybe twice before. You were with Slayer longer than I was at that point, but I would think that you would agree he wouldn't use that as an excuse. You were there after the posts were made and the discussion afterwards. I can't remember what everyone said, but we did agree and support it. Speaking of the UjW, your war declaration against NpO was awesome.

I can see why some might see TPF's surrender in the UJW as a being betrayal/cowardice since The Unjust Path folded rather quickly afterwards and led to the disbandment of GOONS, \m/, and GenMay. If TPF had stayed in though, there would have been no difference - straight up, ES forced UJP's hand and got them into a war before they were ready. Simple as that. I was in government during the UJW. Everything was going normally for the most part, we were hitting NpO, we were being hit by Sparta, DUAL, and MDC. I had two offensive and three defensive wars going on, challenging yes, but I was about to anarchy my last attacker the next day when Slayer left a two line message in the gov channel and left the place in a hurry to talk to other alliances. I didn't know what was going on, all I knew was that I had never seen him that pissed before. He never would *exactly* say what the OOC comment was, he didn't want to say it, but I and everyone else determined what it was fairly quickly. There's a certain point that you're willing to go to, but some stuff, *that* stuff, was past that point - he even specifically said not to go there before the war began. I can see some people as being pessimistic about the reason, thinking it's a construed plot to get out of that war, hell, I'm generally pessimistic about everything. But I was in that channel on that day, and I know that surrender announcement was genuine. Then again, I guess that's not of much consequence in politics. As for the current conflict, I don't know. I haven't been in a serious gov role for over a year now, so I wasn't in that channel when this went down. Now, about your war on TPF, if you believe in something that badly then go for it - you're fighting for something and willing to go the distance for it. I always admired FAN that way. I was a pretty low NS nation at that time and I got nuked by them too. I ZIed a lot of them, but I still liked them, and still do.