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  1. A new power rises

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    5 hours ago, im317 said:

    of all the names you could have chosen next you went with GGA? i mean sure there was a time when they were not a joke, but that time long past before they were finally put down.

    I think them being a joke most of their existence is why they chose the name. GGA was an old NPO ally as well; although I doubt the current leadership cares.

  5. Wait, I thought he already deleted...

    in Open World RP

    Posted

    1 hour ago, Monster said:

    It being here isn't significant. Barely anyone is ever on the forums and there's very little in-game activity. It's solely propped up by people googling nation simulator when something happens politically IRL.  Most admins of similar games shut their games down before they got to this point.  Just a different standard. The only reason admin is keeping it around is because it's not losing him money and it's a sentimental attachment. It has been dead for a long time. 

     

    I would be surprised if it's around in 10 years with more than a couple hundred players unless some people get really stubborn with the psychological attachment. admin has benefited from people just not being able to let go but the time is approaching where more and more will just start forgetting about it. 

     

    It's been several years now and he doesn't seem concerned in the slighest and doesn't want to do an app.

    I think whether the games shuts down will depend on if the cost to keep it going is higher than the cost of hosting. I remember speaking with one player maybe a year back who asked me what I imagined doing in CN 10 years. Forgot exactly what I said, but probably that I doubt the servers would still be running 10 years from then. (I didn’t think I’d still be playing a year from then even.) He wanted to eventually rule the world; become the hegemony as his long term dream in CN. 

     

    His nation wasn’t even nuclear capable & he wasn’t the leader of his alliance even. Although if everyone experienced & holding on power now give up, maybe small fries like him will inherit the Planet someday. Thinking over long periods like that means people nobody knows about now & who never had much power in CN, eventually might.

  6. Wait, I thought he already deleted...

    in Open World RP

    Posted · Edited by Ethereum

    9 hours ago, Monster said:

    There aren't as many newer active players as you describe. The game is objectively dying. It is down to less than 10% of its peak membership.  Nothing is really changing about it except people deciding to finally close up shop. It's a dead end. The reasons Hal describes contribute a lot but a lot of is also there is no desire on the part of the creator to keep it alive beyond just paying the hosting and occasionally fixing errors/downtime. The game would be a lot more thinned out if not for the SEO advantage it gained when it was bigger as that's where all the players are coming from now.

    There are many points in time old players have quit deciding the game is done & them having the same valid points on lack of updates/shrinking player base. For different people its different points they gave up & decided to burn down as much as possible on their way out. However despite how few people from the old days are still active, the game is still here many years past when many of us considered it dead.

     

    So the game will never be what it used to & nobody can remain motivated forever to keep trying in a game like this. Although wouldn't surprise me if 10 years from now, the game is still going on with a very different political landscape & mostly the only old players still around are those who check in when they're bored every once in while; despite having decided they were done with the game many times before. So you're right on entropy & lack of enthusiasm from admin meaning eventually the game will be dead completely (Nothing lasts forever). Although I don't see a big difference in how dead the game is now compare to 1, 2, 3, 4 or even 5 years ago. Right now isn't particularly special compare to all the other times people have proclaimed it dead or dying.

     

    Also I think an interesting way Admin could maybe revitalize it later is if he makes another persistent world where people start from scratch & later updates the space exploration features where the two worlds can interact. He's went long periods of time without updates before, only to suddenly get a burst of motivation. Like when he added the Navy, Spies, Generals, etc. Creating a new persistent world would attract a lot of new players, especially if its created for another platform; such as the Android & iOS App Stores. Right now I don't think anyone expects Admin to put that kind of effort into the game, but the passage of time can change things & it would bring a lot players back if there was a interesting update like that. Another world would allow the physics & coding to be different in areas where the current setup has shown not to be ideal; while also similar enough he doesn't need to create a new game from scratch.

  7. Wait, I thought he already deleted...

    in Open World RP

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    I’m not sure the game is dying as much as it’s in a constant state of change, with it requiring effort for those who remember the old times in preserving some of what made the game interesting for us. If NPO gave up for example, I think newer players would see it as an opportunity rather than the death of the game. What many of us consider the decline stage of the game is all many players know.

     

    Good luck.

  8. Cybernations Guide (How to Build Your Nation Optimally)

    in Gameplay Discussions

    Posted

    215_Dark_Saber___Fate_Hollow_Ataraxia_Wa

    First Join Knights of Ni!

    Here is a general nation building guide on how to efficiently grow your nation, do infra jumps & maximize collections.

     

    Link: http://limitlessnexus.com/_exhibitions/682_Cyber_Nations_Guide_Complete.pdf

    *** General Timeline of how to build your Nation Part I ***
    0-3999 infra
    As a brand new or young nation, your primary focus is buying infra, lots and lots of buying infra. Due to
    tech deals and other aid, you should grow relatively quickly (in CN terms, it will still be a couple of
    months). Here are the things you should do to maximize your growth:
    • Sell Tech. You should be using all your foreign aid slots for active tech deals. Selling tech is still a must
    if your slots would otherwise be empty. A guide to tech dealing can be found here. The market-rate tech
    deal is 3 million for 100 tech, with a net profit of about 1.4-1.6 million per deal. If you use 5 slots for
    deals, that's $7-8 million a month. While it requires you to stay at 100 tech or below, it is worth doing
    until you pass 4k infra.
    Sort your trades out. If you aren't already in a trade circle, find a Trade Circle. You can change your
    resources. Don't change them unless you're instructed to as part of joining a circle.
    • Buying infra and improvements. See the subsection in this guide for both. You should always
    buy as many economic improvements as you can get.
    • Infra Jumps. At 1000, 2000, 3000, 4000, 5000, 8000 and 15000 infra you will hit what are called infra
    jumps. At these points, your bills for infrastructure upkeep cost will jump up. At these points, you will
    make less after bills right after crossing those barriers. To avoid that loss in income, you should wait at
    just below the limit (for example at 1000 infra, camp out at 999.99) and collect enough money to make a
    big jump of infra buying that will increase your collections enough to make up for the jump in bills. You
    can use the infrastructure cost calculator spreadsheet posted in the link provided at the top of this guide
    to determine how much you should save; input all your values and use the net-income column to see
    your net income before the jump, and then see how much infra you will need to get to that net income
    again.
    • Improvement swapping (sledding). See the subsection in this guide below. You should start doing this
    around 2500 infra. As a military measure, you should also incorporate Defcon swapping into your sleds.
    Common myths:
    • Tech selling isn't worth it, it's too complicated and I'm better off having more tech. Wrong. Selling tech
    isn't that hard once you get the hang of it, and is well worth the limitation of 50 tech until you jump past
    4k infra. For new nations, selling tech is a great source of funding.
    • Improvement swapping isn't worth it. Wrong. Everyone above 2500 infra should be improvement
    swapping, as it cuts your infra bills in HALF.
    • I should buy lots of land. No, you should buy enough land to keep your population happy (under 70
    citizens/mile), but otherwise it isn't particularly worth the cost to buy it. You are better off buying infra.
    • I should start buying wonders. Wonders are very expensive and only for big nations. You shouldn't
    worry about them quite yet.
    Sleds and Improvement Swapping
    Sledding is a crucial part of good nation building.
    The basics:
    • What is a Sled?
    A Sled is a short way of saying an Improvement swapping cycle. The basic idea behind a Sled is that you
    wait several days without collecting taxes, switch around your improvements, and end up buying more
    Infrastructure and collecting more taxes than you would if you collected taxes every day.
    • Is my nation suitable for Sledding?
    Sleds are not beneficial for small nations unless they know that they will be receiving a large amount of
    financial aid a few days in the future and can back-collect on them. Once you get close to 2499.99 Infra,
    sledding for the purpose of swapping improvements start to become more beneficial.
    • How is not collecting taxes every day a good idea?
     
    Tax collection amount is based on your nation's current state, irrespective of how many days of taxes
    you collect. This is best illustrated by an example:
    1. Five days ago, you had good trades and your nation was making $1M in taxes per day.
    2. Then you lost a couple of trades that were very important to your income.
    3. This meant that your tax collection would only be 60% of what it had been, i.e. 600K per day.
    4. You decided to stop collecting taxes while you fixed your trades.
    5. Today, you got your trades back in order and collected 5 days' worth of taxes at $1M per day.
    6. You made $5M instead of the $3M (5 x $600k) you would have received if you had collected them
    while your trades were messed up.
    This is known as back-collecting: Collecting so that the benefits (fixing your trades, getting out of
    anarchy, buying new infra, improvements, and wonders, etc.) you have on the day of your collection
    apply to all the days where you didn't collect where your collections would have been worse.
    •And how does this apply to Sledding?
    When you Sled, you pay your bills when your bills are lowest, you buy Infra when the purchase cost is
    lowest, and you collect taxes when your tax income is at its highest. Win-Win-Win.
    •How long should a Sled be?
    Anything from 5 to 20 days depending on your nation. Note that your nation will be automatically
    deleted if you don't collect taxes for 25 days. More on timing your sleds below.
    •Should I end a sled during war?
    Not unless you have to, as your income levels will be reduced during a war. Always end your sleds
    before going to war. If you know when a war is going to end, try to time your sled so you can do a big
    back collect after the war once you're out of anarchy and can rebuild. Also note that once your nation is
    13 days inactive, enemies no longer get loot from you when they successfully GA you.
    • I've heard that Sledding is complicated. What will happen if I make a mistake?
    Providing you read carefully and follow the steps exactly, you'll be fine. In the end, if you do make a
    serious mistake, you may irritate a few people but the person who'll be hurt most is you. Sledding is a

    crucial part of good nation building.

     

    *** General Timeline of how to build your nation part II ***
     
    3999-5999 infra and before nukes
    At 3999.99 infra you will take many first steps. You will be camped out for a while as you collect money
    and first start spending money on several knew things. At this point you'll generally split your money
    between bills, buying tech, wonders, and infra.
    • Make the 4K infra jump. 4k is by far the biggest jump (relatively) in terms of infra upkeep costs. Use
    the calculator to find an exact amount, but it's going to be several hundred infra costing tens of millions.
    Buy your first wonder. At 3999.99 infra is when you should first start buying wonders. Your first wonder
    should be a stock market, as it is the cheapest that still provides a good boost. A social security system is
    more beneficial but costs more; you are better off buying the stock market first and getting your wonder
    clock started.
    • Concentrate on economic wonders at first. These will help serve as your economic base. Always buy
    wonders every 30 days, don't delay on buying one (always make sure you are going to have the money
    on that day). During the end of this period, you should have a Stock Market, Social Security System and a
    Disaster Relief Agency at the very bare minimum.
    • Switch to buying tech. At this point you've made millions selling tech as a tech seller, it is now time to
    start buying tech. Finish all your tech deals. After all your tech payments are done, manually buy up a
    nice stockpile of tech. How much depends on what you can afford, but it should be somewhere in the
    range of 250-500 tech. Then find some sellers and start buying. Remember that you'll need about 15 mill
    to pay to sellers, several million to buy up your tech stockpile, and enough to continue with whatever
    sleds you have in progress. Once you've started buying tech, never stop. You can never have too much
    tech as the military benefits are endless, every level of tech increases your damage output.
     
    • A decent Airforce. Once you have 500 tech, buy a standing Airforce of level 9 planes (1 or 2 bombers,
    the rest fighters). Upkeep is minor, it's a 2700 NS boost, and its protection in the air if you're ever
    attacked.
    • Acquire Spies. Have a goal to acquire at least 50 spies. When you can afford it, buy 50-100 spies after
    every sled
    Make the 5k infra jump. This one is much smaller than the 4000 infra jump. You will only need to buy a
    few dozen or at most 100-200 infra to make this jump.
    Common myths:
    • I now have plenty of tech - 2000 tech at 4k infra. Any more will surely needlessly bloat my NS? No,
    never stop buying tech. Its military benefits are endless.
    • I should buy military wonders first. Wrong. The one wonder you should absolutely not buy at 3999
    infra is the Manhattan Project. Your economy is not developed enough to support the $100M purchase
    or the nuke upkeep. FAC should be your first wonder, since it is cheap and allows you take in 50% more
    income from tech deals.
    • I should always buy a wonder before the end of a sled. Economic wonders generally don't have as
    much of an immediate return as infra, before 5K infra at least. Sometimes you may want to buy infra
    before ending a sled, collect, and then buy the wonder right after your collection. However if you're not
    going to buy infra, always buy the eco wonder before your collection if you can. If you're wondering why
    you’re buying wonders if they don't have as much of an immediate return on investment, eventually
    they will.
    During this period, you will spend most of your money buying tech, wonders, and infra.
     
    *** General Timeline of how to build your nation part III ***
    4999/5999-7999.99/8500 infra and acquiring nukes.
    • Buy nukes. You should not get nukes before 4999 infra at minimum, and 5999 infra in an ideal world.
    You should also have 3-5 economic wonders first. Once you're ready, buy a Manhattan Project and get
    nukes. Note that MK nations at 5999 are required to have or be working towards full spies, an MP, full
    nukes, and a SDI.
    • Build a HUGE warchest. Once you have your Manhattan Project or hit 6000 infra, emphasis is put on
    maintaining a full warchest. Nuclear war is expensive and the larger warchest you have the better. You
    should build it up in line with Codex requirements.
    Continue buying wonders. Continue buying wonders as suggested in the section below. Keep buying
    economic wonders as well. If you are going beyond 6000 infra at a quick pace (putting large portions of
    your income into infra), you need to have an interstate system to make your infra purchases cheaper. It
    is often good to alternate economic with military wonders. Whether you focus on economic or military
    wonders will often depend on how likely war is in the new few months.
    • Buy a navy. Military guides should be consulted on the exact nature and make-up of your navy, but
    you shouldn't buy navy until you're at least 8k infra and your warchest is up to par, unless war is
    imminent
    • Buy a WRC. Work towards 8500 infra, so that you fulfill the minimum requirement needed for a
    Weapons Research Complex. The WRC is crucial because it doubles the tech damage modifier and
    allows you to buy 2 nukes every day. How much we are pushing for WRCs (instead of just focusing on
    warchests) will depend on how likely war is in the next few months... ask around if you are unsure.
    • After all this, congratulations! You have done pretty much everything this $%&*ing game has to offer.
    Just continue to buy wonders, tech, and possibly infra (if your warchest is good).
     
    *** General Timeline of how to build your nation part IV ***
    7999-8500 infra+
    This is mostly the same as before but there are a few changes.
    • Stop buying infra. Infra above 8K takes a long time (it can be a year or more) to pay for itself. You
    usually will get in a war before then. You should generally ONLY buy infra to get a WRC (at 8500 and
    then stop) or for the high level wonders. After 14K infra, you should NEVER buy infra. There is no
    economic benefit as increased bills cancel out collections. There is some military benefit to higher infra,
    but it's not worth the cost and would be better put into warchest or tech.
    • High infra wonders. The only general exception to the stop buying infra rule is to push to buy the high
    level economic wonders that require 11-14K infra. You should only do this after asking gov and:
    - You already have every other useful wonder.
    - War is unlikely in the near future.
    - You're complying with warchest requirements.
    • Manually buy tech. Once you have a very massive warchest, at LEAST 3 billion, you can consider
    dumping money into manually buying tech with your excess money. Make sure you temp for microchips
    (requires gold, lead, and oil) when buying tech.
     
    Timing your sled/Tax Collections
    Timing your sled well is very important if you want to optimize the benefits of sledding. There are
    several factors to consider when timing your sled. If you need help figuring out what to do, ask around.
    In general you'll want to plan ahead about 30 days (sometimes more), figure out when your big purchases are going to be, and time your sleds around them.
     
    • The longer the better. Don't let this override the factors listed below, but in general the longer the
    better. Having longer sleds will decrease the amount of money on swapping out improvements.
    However if you are new to sledding and/or very low on money, you may have to work up to longer sleds
    rather than starting on a long sled immediately. If you're reliably active and log in every day, 19 or 20
    day sleds are usually ideal. If not, slightly shorter sleds are better because if you go over 20 days inactive
    you're wasting collections (they are capped at 20 days) as well as risking deletion if you get to 25 days
    inactive.
     
    • Buy infra at the end of your sled. Infra should only be bought right before a back-collect at the end of
    the sled. By doing this, you can pay bills at the lower infra level for your sled, while collecting at the
    higher infra level for all of those days you were sledding. Extra bills often eat up about half of the extra
    collections from buying infra, when you back-collect you skip this extra bills for those days, saving
    millions.
     
    • Buy wonders before the end of the sled. Same principle as above, except that the bills are minor. The
    more days you can back-collect on a new economic wonder, the better. The only general exceptions to
    this rule is for those at who won't have the money on hand before collecting to buy a wonder, to start or
    keep their wonder clock going. Or for 3-5K infra nations if they could use the pre-collection money to
    buy infra instead, since buying infra boosts collections more than wonders in the short run at that level.
    If you're basing your sled timing on your wonder cycle, you might end up alternating 10 and 20 (or 11
    and 19) day cycles to keep them in sync so that you always buy your wonder at the end of a long sled.
    • Foreign aid if you're a small nation without a Warchest, time your sleds around your aid slots. If you're
    going to receive lots of money, time the end of a long sled so that it comes right afterward, and you can
    put the money to use for a big back-collect.
     
    • War ALWAYS end your sled before going to war. Anarchy and infra losses from war will severely hurt
    your collections. Never tech raid more than 10 days into your sled in case your opponent fights back and
    you won't have the time to recover before your collection.
     
    Sleds and Improvement Swapping Part II
     
    Phases of a sled
    • Phase 0 - Preparation for Sledding: Decide how many days you will go without collecting taxes. This
    need not be fixed but you must make sure that you have enough cash to pay your daily bills, buy
    wonders, tech, improvements at the end of the sled, etc.
    • Phase 1 - Minimize your daily bills: Buy 5 Labor Camps (5 x $150k) as this will reduce your daily Infra
    upkeep bills by 50%. You'll probably need to destroy 5 other Improvements first. As a general rule,
    destroy the 5 cheapest Improvements. In order to better protect yourself from attacks during Phase 1,
    switch to DEFCON 1 and Severe Threat Level. However, do not even consider going into Peace Mode as
    this would render your Sled worthless.
    • Phase 2 - Wait - the boring part: Pay your bills every day and fix any broken Trades.
    • Phase 3 - Buy Infra/Wonder/Improvements: Pay your daily bills. Swap your trades for income boosters,
    if applicable. Purchase the wonder of your choice, if applicable. Destroy your 5 Labor Camps and build 5
    Factories in their place. These Factories will reduce your Infra purchase cost by 40%. Buy Infra and
    Improvements until most of your money has been spent, but keep enough cash to buy 5 more
    improvements. When you've finished buying Infra, destroy your 5 Factories and replace them with 5
    Improvements which increase your number of Citizens, your Happiness, or your Income/Citizen. Note
    that you should consult the Improvement and Wonder Order Guides before you decide which
    Improvements / Wonder to buy. Don't ever destroy factories if you have the improvement slots for
    them after buying all the income boosting improvements.
    • Phase 4 - Collect Taxes: Switch to Defcon 5 and Low Threat Level, then Collect Taxes. Reconnect to
    your normal trade circle, if applicable. At this point, save your money so you can repeat the cycle from
    step 0.
     
    Join Knights of Ni for more assistance & tips on building your nation efficiently. Although I think this is basic enough knowledge, everyone should know it.
     

  13. Siberian Tiger Alliance Announcement

    in Alliance Announcements (IC)

    Posted

    31 minutes ago, Monster said:

    No. Also you're thinking of The Ninjas which was mostly Gre members not Basketball Ninjas, which was an entirely different alliance.

    Yeah, I realized that after I posted it. Basketball Ninjas is where White Chocolate came from & who I know best from there. Although they had other good members, but I remember meeting White Chocolate at the Sandwich Confederacy & having a good chat.

  14. Siberian Tiger Alliance Announcement

    in Alliance Announcements (IC)

    Posted

    20 hours ago, Haflinger said:

    We should make a club for "People who remember Basketball Ninjas." 😎

    We could even call it the Ninja Knight Club: https://discord.gg/K8F8rr

     

     

    Can talk about the old days & get to know others who have been around & see what the Club turns into. Maybe something good can come of it. Or the Ninja Knight Club can always become sometime later if we feel like it, sort of like the Moldavi Doctrine.

     

    All members can attack anyone hitting a club member with it counting as a raid or self defense, in memory of all nation leaders having freewill. We are free; like Basketball Ninjas were.

     

    The world is as we shape it, so if CN is dying its due to lack of creativity & imagination for those who have excess NS to expend. Perhaps more of us can work together & those who have lost their way consider joining.

  18. Siberian Tiger Alliance Announcement

    in Alliance Announcements (IC)

    Posted

    37 minutes ago, Samus said:

    Coming to defend our friends in BN

    Seems things might be getting more interesting, was wondering how long you guys would leave them to dry.

     

    Although I request you don't hit PPO, they're defending it seems and we have a treaty with them. I need to recover a while longer, so don't feel like getting my nation smashed before I'm ready.😛

     

    (Although wouldn't be my call regardless)

  19. While you guys war.....

    in World Affairs (IC)

    Posted

    3 hours ago, Horus Lytton said:

    Weren't driving for recruitment at all.

    Knights of Ni are a good bunch; I'm glad I joined & they'd welcome of more. Even we don't go out of our way to recruit much. Join us. Sure someone can get you an aid package and tech deals if you need.

     

    Although when you're in a dead alliance, not much anyone can do. Good luck, others would be welcome to join as well. Although we're a Red Team alliance, but we could some more people to help fill some trade circles for a newer member.🍺

  22. Notice to the New Pacific Order

    in World Affairs (IC)

    Posted

    Personally I'm alright with NPO crushing you under their boot, the look suits you.😛

     

    3 hours ago, The Zigur said:

    It is this instability, which you may have never ever noticed as an NPO member, that drives ambition in some to overthrow the current arrangement in the hope of one more suited to their own interests.

    Seems ambition is mostly dead around here, but if someone got motivated to challenge them; they'd probably enjoy the challenge.

  23. Roq It 'Til The Wheels Come Off

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    Posted

    1 hour ago, BDRocks said:

    If NPO is going to declare on Cowboys, the rest of CN should declare on NPO. This world is almost extinct. It's about time we all fight NPO and see what happens.

    With the NG/IRON Oculus Civil War probably still going on, if there was a Resistance left, might be the best chance now before they consolidate more power again.

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