NoMercy
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Still failing. Try harder.
You can't afford the arrogance. Seriously. Stop pretending you are anywhere near honorable.
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STA tears are delicious. You got your quick peace, you got your "emotional moments", what's the point?
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I would give you credit on this - but I decided I'd check the facts first.
I counted 52 active wars between Polaris and TIO. In only 10 of those wars was the NS loss in the favor of the TIO forces. About half of these wars showed TIO turtling. Sorry, but the shoe fits.
SOURCE: I ran a search on wars between Polars and TIO and individually looked at the NS damage and attack totals. You are welcome to replicate this experiment yourself - be careful not to accidentally count Pacific wars, a few will turn up in the searches due to nation names (plus one Pacific vs TIO war); these were excluded from the numbers I gave you.
EDIT: to replicate this search, look for active wars under the search terms Polar and Imperial. CN's search utility will give you the results; it's up to you though, to do what I did and individually look at the tallies on each current war.
While I appreciate your work, I doubt you'll get a nobel price, because this is everything but surprising^^
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TOP hit all of US when they hit NATO, deal with it or take your ball and go home.
TIO joined, the war is lost, Bob is over. Honestly, You make it sound like anyone in TOP is mad about this DoW. The opposite is the case.
How long will DDL last? Will he be able to unify his members? After his government left as a whole only a few weeks back? Can TIO stand the fire?
It can if DDL is competent. Is he?
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Don't make it look like you don't have the man power to hit TOP.
Why didn't RnR join the war, yet?
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tl;dr It turns out RnR is a joke. If I were Us, I'd disband right now.
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See but you got it all wrong...the only one apparently. The thing I find hilarious is that Umbrella was needed at all the way some people talk. I'm unsurprised. I was sure eventually Invicta and their pals would cry enough that someone would have to come in. Didn't see it happening this quick though. I thought Invicta had a little more considering how much they talked about wanting to really fight last war. Two weeks isn't bad I guess. Was it two weeks? The way some folk around here talk you would think they could have defeated us handily on their own.....not need help more than the 5 other alliances they brought in. We'll fight with Umbrella a little. It's about damn time we actually had a fight. We relish it. We love it. Brave or not I really could care less. It's just amusing.
http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?/topic/116019-this-week-in-gato/
Funny.
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We soooo need to oA declare on kerschbs. :wub:
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Shame on you. I thought better of you. All of STA did.
Not all of CN this time? You are improving.
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Are creating them with an engine, or is this paint work? It would be impressive both ways, though
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Bitter? No, I have made my peace with the Valhalla split. Does not mean I will ever really trust any of your leadership, as you have shown nothing worthy of trust. I seem to recall Non Grata having your back during the split, it is so nice of you to repay that by cheering on IRON hitting Non Grata's allies.
And you can claim that I was the problem the entire time, but you are just fooling yourselves. For admin's sake, I was not even government beyond the initial term. Ai existed for well over a year before deciding to renege on the "no going back" promises all three (four) alliances made in the beginning. Valhalla wanted a merge, but not into anything other than Valhalla. Your problem with me was that I never was in Valhalla, and had no desire to be in Valhalla.
I see you have edited your post from what was there initially. Seems someone has corrected you on your misconceptions about the treaties Ai holds. It looks like you really are capable of learning! And you are right, there is nothing in the gentleman's agreement that is the Duckroll Project that prevents one member from pointing out a shitty thing another member does, and calling it a shitty thing. I would actually think it would be encouraged. At least, it used to be, when better people were hanging out in the Duckroll back channels. Some of those better people are right here in this thread, denouncing with me.
IRON has done a shitty thing. Everyone, save the few loudmouth ignoramus partisans (hi, Hal!), is acknowledging that this is a crap way to treat an ally. Have the decency to shred the treaty ahead of time if you have so little regard for it.No, not at all. Doesn't sound like it, pal. Drinking a cup of tea helps.
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Do you know how absurd that sounds?
No, I don't. IRON has shown in the past that they honored their treaties. They (according to you) were known for being a solid partner. For me, they'd still be one. I can't deny they didn't honor their treaty with NG, but they had a good reason for it (See iamthey). They chose friendship over paper, I can't blame them for that. In fact their decision was independent. They didn't follow the upcoming public pressure, but chose their friends instead.
The only thing we can blame them for, is not canceling the treaty earlier. Then again, considering the communication between both parties, it could have been expected. That lightens the "guilt".
I am sure people can understand this.
But the point would be that, knowing this, they still didn't cancel the MDP [...]
That would have made the situation legally "acceptable". However it's not that when people cancel treaties prior a war, they don't know what the future coalitions will look like. So in both scenarios they'd have caused bad blood.
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Oh, I know they do.
You don't. As I said before, just because you repeat yourself again and again, you don't have a point.
IRON had good reasons for staying out, and they have proven in the past that they usually honor treaties. Their only mistake was to cancel this one. Personally, I have talked to many people that don't give a damn. Now stop pretending you know what the world thinks.
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The ODN has been in close contact with NG since the beginning of this war and NG were definitely surprised by IRON's betrayal. At no point did IRON imply that they would dishonor their treaty with NG if NG is directly attacked without any chaining in like when LoSS bandwagoned on NG.
Which speaks for the claim of IRON that there hasn't been any communication between the two parties. Is it IRON's responsibility to knock on NG's door and offer assistance? Most MDP's are worded and understood the other way round. If you need assistance, you ask your allies for help. So it's NG's problem if they didn't knew IRON's position on the matter.
If the plotting against the New Polar Order is considered an aggressive act, (that it was a defensive action can't be taken for granted), then it's IRON's right to choose whether to activate the optional Agression clause, or whether not to.
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3- Again, I've talked to numerous people on BOTH sides of this war, and people on the other side are pretty anti-IRON as well. They're not stupid. They know they're not so special that IRON would ever treat them any better, and in fact many have been on the receiving end of IRON's bullshit before.
And about those logs I mentioned earlier... well, here you go:
I highly doubt that. You are loud, that doesn't mean you are the majority. IRON has a history of being honest and defending friends that can't be vanished by one event. People understand that defending NG, an alliance they had no contact with whatsoever, is not the best option. You can't rely on loyalty when there is no communication, so the only thing you can rely on is a piece of e-paper. They can only be blamed for not cancelling the treaty beforehand, viciously pretending they didn't know what's coming.
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Shush. That's a secret we can pull out our a** when it suits to dogpile the losing side.
You take it for granted that there is something left of you, when we are done. I find that funny.
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Actually, Fark/NpO/TOP aggressively started this war with an attack on NSO. NG merely entered on a mutual defense clause when its ally was aggressively hit. NpO has readily acknowledged and accepted that it does not consider NG to have any aggressive intentions on them, and even in the lack of such an acknowledgement you can't call giving reason for a pre-empt to be "starting" the war.
Hell, if you're going to be using that logic you'd be arguing that the "everything must die" pre-empt by DH on NPO back in 2011 was actually started *by NPO*. NPO certainly had more public beef on MK then than NG does on Polar now.Letum, you quoted me wrong there. I didn't say that.
Then again, CB discussion is CB discussion, you can see it both ways. If NSO were coming Polar, it would have been a defensive strike. It can be seen both ways.
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I understand your point of view, but legally everyone could just say that in the future. It would cause chaos if that was acceptable. I kind of figured IRON telling them in advance they didn't want to take part in the war to fuck over Polar was good enough. I mean at that time IRON most likely even expected NG to pull off a victory since they were planning it so far ahead and they found it morally wrong to just kick someone because you can.
Although morals do not define a treaty being existent or not. Non Grata acted aggressively and they aggressively started this war, and it wasn't how they intended. It is clear that the treaty is a optional aggression pact.
I'd argue that this
gameplanet works this way since itsconceptionbig bang. That's how Coalitions are built and Hegemonies destroyed. With the sole difference that people claim canceling treaties beforehand justifies everything. Although everyone knows long beforehand whose getting rolled next.We have imo two possibilities: Condemn the cancellation of treaties until a losing war is over. Or actually looking at the real situation at hand, and judging coalitions by friendships.
Long standing treaties were always based on a good communication between alliances that lead to a friendship.
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Why defend something when there is no friendship? The only thing IRON failed in, was cancelling the treaty in due time. But let's be honest: They'd have gotten the heat for that as well.
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o/ Viridia,
Great allies, I must say.
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If you guys are so inactive you could always merge into DoD. We are a pretty good place
Business first, love later, mkey?
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Here's to a fun and uncomplicated war of blowing sh*t up o/
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This is something we can support! Burn the pixels.
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Thanks to our great Ninja friends! o/
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Or it's just being a meatshield for other people now. Time will tell that.
Well, the definition of meat shields is that they don't have a free will. (at least mine). With this move they have proven to have one. For the outside world, it might be justified, I can understand that the relation between them and you is damaged.
A Message from the Emperor of the New Pacific Order
in Alliance Announcements (IC)
Posted
The world keeps turning. There will come a point in time, Pacifica/friends will be well respected all over and kick our asses, and while we'll hate it/them, they won't let us off the hook. But this isn't the time. This is the time to collect some hate in order to keep this planet turning. It's not that we haven't seen that before. Rinse and Repeat.