Max Power
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I don't know but it sure makes me want to join.
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Loving this all around. Tons of congrats.
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Short-lived treaty. Makes sense considering FA paths and the like. Hope all's well for everyone involved.
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I'm not sure what cancelling on MI6 but keeping TOP and GOONS accomplishes. Unless we see more cancellations soon, it looks like you'll be fighting with the same people again, especially if TOP-Polar holds up. It'll be interesting to see the aftermath of this.
It's ok, it's not like Umbrella would never cancel a future treaty with them and actively plot against them or anything.
Cancel a future treaty? How does one even do that? I guess people can call off plans to sign an imminent treaty but this doesn't sound like that.
Look, I was going to leave it be until you went and attacked me here. I couldn't possibly care less that the treaty was cancelled; it was best for both our alliances but MI6 would never have done such a thing after going to bat for you this war. Politically untenable locally, shall we say; my membership thought the world of you guys until three days ago. And it's posts like these that make me sorry to have defended you to them in the first place.
I thought Yeru's post was low and baseless against the rest of your ex-allies, so I interjected myself into the discussion. Nothing personal whatsoever; I found the sentiment remarkably distasteful and unfitting to the quality I believe of Yeru as a leader, so I had something to say about it.
That's never happened before. This must be a new thing. Oh well, first time for everything.
We have Sparta cancellations with Fark, Polar, MHa, and Mi6, and the logs we get is Atlas gov debating the merits of hitting UPN? These are not the logs we are looking for.
Also, Atlas hitting UPN would have been terribly dumb, as anyone looking at their wiki could tell you.
The wisdom here is blinding.
As for whether STA would have hit Atlas, I don't think ODN would have liked that too much.
Oh please, in wars like these no one fights them for people. The chains that bring people in on certain fronts are ones of coalition utility. Nothing else. You join coalitions for alliances or your own personal interests.
I distinctly remember fighting in this war for Kashmir and DS, Disorder for AI, and the Kas War for Kashmir again. Even exact deployment as you later specified gets iffy there because of who you're looking to hit. Coalition utility becomes horribly abstract in less cohesive coalitions, too, like how I'm sure you were bursting at the seams to do everything possible to maximize SNX's utility this war.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSHr4ubuD64
Now that's a song I associate with Siberian tigers!
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Ive been trying to tell people they are TRYING to be MK. Only the have not one personality or anyone charismatic enough to make it work.
You normally say things better founded than this.
Lifetime on your knees vs a day on your feet etc etc.
Also the line between DBDC, DS and DT is so blurred I don't see how that's even a valid point, DT could have just ghosted DBDC like everybody else did to hit us. I'm sure once again we're on some list somewhere of people to wipe off the face of the earth, but when haven't we been on that list.
Let's all pity RIA now. Come on, people like you, just ditch the clinging to long-dead SF remnants like some CN version of Miss Hathaway and get out there in the world.
I shall add something to what walford said for clarity. The New polar Order that may have aggrieved those who are attacking us now includes NONE, the League of Free Nations and Vox Populi. We are here because the NpO of today shares the values of freedom of association, self-determination and abstaining from wars of conquest of those who are merely weaker. We are here to help each other in peace and defend each other in war. That is all of what we stand for since we have been in this alliance.
THAT is whom and what you are attacking today and we are in no humour to change in the face of violence, no matter how numerous and how strong our attackers are.
Since January of 2011, have we engaged in any offensive wars? Which ones?
Funny, because as someone who spent three years in an alliance founded by ex-NONE/LoFN, I recall participating on the TOP/IRON side in Grudge happily and my alliance making a point of rolling one of the alliances that was boisterously on the Polar side (GOD). I can't recall ever hearing a single pro-Polar viewpoint from the NONE/LoFN I dealt with in those three years.
From a neutral point of view (and if Schatt were tracking the coalition support system, I fought for Polar's side*), the "Disorder War" CB seemed as weak and arbitrary as those in "The Dave War", "The Grudge War", "NPO-DH War" and the current "Doom War". (I give EQ a pass). That doesn't make you any worse than the instigators of those wars, but it doesn't make Polar any better, either. Maybe there was some back room reason that is so OPSEC it can't be stated, but the given CB for attacking NSO to my admittedly untrained eye was not something I could, as an uninvolved party, rally behind. I'm sure it seems so to Polar, but then again I like all my CB's, too, and I'm sure there are other parties who found them less than convincing. But to most of the peanut gallery, this admittedly !@#$%^&* war doesn't stink any more (or less) than those other ones. Polar is getting jobbed, as every big political player does from time to time. Play in the sandbox long enough, you'll get dirty. Circle of life, not the moral high ground.
Then again, I've never been a backroom guy, so I could be way off -- I can only judge by what is stated in an official capacity.
* Don't be a fool, Schatt -- we fought for Kaskus :smug:
I thought you guys only fought in the Kas War.
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Congrats!
So, who are you going to roll now? Call me when you decide.
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*its
ZIP codes in Texas start with 7, not 2.
Regardless, Happy Birthday! Have fun out there.
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Does this mean no more Hardcore Lulzists installments? If so, it makes me sad.
Congrats on peace, everyone! I had a fun one round when I was actually active.
Uh, we're called the Super Cereal Coaltion, get it right.
GG everyone.
You're lucky Hershey didn't call you the Soiled Pants Coalition. :P
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Glad to see this posted. Huge hails to all my friends and allies involved on this front. The thanks are eternal.
Excellent.
o/ NSO
o/ Kashmir (Master Hakai is best Hakai)
o/ the Javahouse Leauge (Max Power, come get your damned tech I've been saving forever)
o/ Parrots, AI, Smurf, SRA, Legion and that other one sorry ran out of steam.
peace
Got it!
Kashmir is absolutely incredible. Amazing.
I tell myself this every day when I shave.
This is technically NOT white peace, but I'll take it.
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That TOP screenie inexplicably repeats the top 10 nations. TOP hippy inflation?
Gotta say I agree on this one. If a war is "fair," then it's probably a good indication your pre-war planning sucked.
Fair wars are so desired because the ones desiring them aren't planning on fighting in them, and wars with uncertain outcomes are by far the most fun to watch from the sidelines.
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Giving a half-hearted commitment two wars in a row generally gets you some dirty looks.
Don't forget the sitting out of DH-NPO and the royal !@#$%*fest/also sitting out during Dave!!!!!!!!
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DBDC obviously only signed a NAP with IRON because DBDC only picks fights where it outnumbers the other party enough that they pose no serious risk to their stats. It's the same reason they (except for O Ya Baby) haven't attacked WTF, GPA, or OBR. Certain (mostly ex-MK) members of DBDC might like a good, competitive, fight, or at least used to, but it's clear that's not the spirit of the alliance as a whole.
IRON also didn't want to have it's upper tier nations smashed or have them have to sit in peace mode long term, thus the NAP.
Yes former enemies have reconciled (like TOP/MK or TOP/NpO), usually after a big fight where they both smash each other. That never took place between DBDC and IRON.
ETA: To preeempt any "BUT WHAT ABOUT TOP BEING IN PEACEMODE" objections, if it were up to me personally TOP would have more engaged, and I have engaged my own nation and lost about 70,000 NS so far (but dished out quite a bit more.)
Please, why don't you criticize TB's alliance more? If you thought he was doing that shitty a job, you presumably would have mentioned that during the about half a billion years you spent together in MK. I know you mentioned ex-MK there but I dunno, send TOP's #1 at him or something.
Good analysis. There is no coincidence that DBDC has only openly opposed the heavily mid tier XX and AFM in the past few years. Any alliance with a significant presence in the top tier has been quickly allied by them.
The tier concentration, and not the FA incompetence, is exactly why
peopleoh right, this is about DBDChavehas opposed XX and AFM. Totally. Yeah. -
PB-NpO/DH-NPO/whatever. BN declared war on UBD; the front peaced less than 48 hours later when UBD's allies withdrew. It was...slightly unsatisfying.
This. I was a more peaceful soul then, and Schad actually helped convince me we should fight at all. Then, of course, once we did I wanted to burn UBD to the ground, a policy I'll defend to this day and that J eventually admitted was probably right. Also, <3 bcortell for coaching me on IRC down to the last button to push when I was... awake after hosting a party.
For a couple years after Karma, I recall there being some sort of rivalry, animosity, whatever you want to call it between CCC and TPF, not sure if TPF saw it that way at all but that was CCC's perspective. I personally disliked TPF. It seemed to wane once our mutual ally TOOL merged with them. Today, I think TPF is one of the finest alliances in this game, and I count many of its membership as my friends.
CCC was allied to TOOL? Wow.
Joined CN right before the Karma war, I was so small that I never had a chance to fight anyone. Bi-Polar was my first war. The buildup to that was a lot of fun with so much going on. Frostbite falling apart, NpO flip flopping and nobody knowing what was going on. Fought a couple guys from CSN. I was around ~40K NS at the time with 4K infra/3.5Kish tech. My two opponents were 7k infra/1k tech. I mopped the floor with them. Was the first time I saw the effects of tech and my love affair with it has been strong ever since. Was a fun time. VE/NpO, was alright, had fun fighting some IRON guys. NpO/TOP not so much fun, just sick of going to bat and getting pounded for the same alliance. Had fun last war as a much larger nation, IRON had some good fighters, other nations from other alliances not so much but it was fun beating them up.
The buildup to Bi-Polar was probably the most interesting time in the history of this game for a lot of reasons. It was especially baffling as a sideline-sitter with a few-weeks-old nation who had never seen anything else.
My first war of note was PB-NpO (from Dark Templar). Dark Templar entered in defense on an ally, LoSS and was promptly countered by CSN (within 12 minutes!). This war had one of the worst endings in CN history, with CSN having called in ghosts like Timmehhh and Vespassianus (the B*st*rds) and one of the most heated OWF debates I've ever been a part of (86 pages!). CSN, despite being the aggressor, had the audacity to extort reps from DT, a move so unpopular that it would ultimately lead to their downfall in the Grudge War.
Outcome: This war left such a bad taste in my mouth that I resigned from Dark Templar due to future stability/protection concerns, a move that is still lamented.
Notable show of naivete by me: I actually called upon high-ranked friends I had in Umbrella: Xavi and others, to see if they could help me defeat Timmehhh, since I was 40 days deep in war and had no nukes. They informed me they were on the other side of the war...
What I learned: This defeat inspired me to never again be out-tech'd in a war and grow my nation as fast as I could, so that someday I could blindside Timmehhh as he had done to me. Unfortunately I picked probably the worst possible target to catch, as he began a tirade of raiding and nation building unrivaled for 2 full years.
Interesting observation: It seems the DOOMBIRD spirit was strong in me even at that time, the world was just not ready. Amusingly I think Tim had something like 18k tech to my 10k but he was still unbeatable. :)
This brings back some interesting memories. I remember not liking either coalition in that war, but actually liking yours (NPO's? Polar's? whatever you want to call it) a bit more than the other one, which, of course, I was in. Also, wow, linking to a Sarm post. I miss that guy.
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I'm just going to assume this thread is about tJL. We love our breakfasts and '80s music. :V
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An accurate picture of the OWF in 2014: http://imgur.com/iq0QVT0
For the record, if y'all really do offer $9m for 100 tech, you're swindling your own buyers. No one with half a brain should pay that rate.
Keep in mind that until not that long ago, the global standard rate was $6m for 100 tech. Increasing profit for selling tech by that much is a sure fire way to get rid of Bob's sellers at an even faster rate than they're already going.It's never been that, but hey, I've always had a soft spot for marketing departments so why not?
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Personally, I think people should only sign treaties that they can 100% adhere to or the treaty should be immediately canceled.
I know every alliance (including my own) does not follow that, but that is the world we should live in. And I know that if a stricter adherance to treaties became the thing to do, people would simply sign temporary treaties and other such stupid games to end with the same result.
Yup.
It's just that the way some people have been talking in this thread and even elsewhere in reference to Valhalla, you'd think that the treaty we had with NpO was a straight MD, when it fact it was not. NpO was reminded of this fact on multiple occasions. Further, again the way some people are talking in this thread and elsewhere, a MD level treaty must always be honored no matter the other treaties one holds. I know better than that, as surely you and many other people do as well.
Any treaty should always be honoured. I know better than to sign treaties and then not honour them. Honouring treaties isn't just a wartime thing either - your allies' relationships become important to you if you're doing your FA right. So, for example, you should have been working on the FTW-Polar relationship for the past few months so this situation wouldn't happen in the first place. It's harder work than you guys appear to be doing, but hey, what do I know?
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I'm so happy I'm spending Christmas in PM. Wish I'd thought of it sooner.
Why does everyone seem to have awkward interactions with their families during the holidays, particularly the extended versions? I honestly look forward to the instances I get to see them and tend to think I have quality time spent. Sure I have my issues with certain people and no one is perfect but I've never understood why people dread visiting their families. Maybe I'm just lucky :P
Anyways I'm rambling, Christmas truces are a genuinely good idea.
Great post. I can't wait to see my extended family.
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OK, I will then.
http://www.cybernations.net/war_information.asp?ID=770876
:. War Details
War Status: War Expired War Reason: Fenris is here War Declaration Date: 11/18/2014 10:24:25 PM War End Date: 11/26/2014 Total Attacks: 130 XP Option: Experience Enabled War Declared By War Declared On Nation Name: Llonach The Forgotten Ones Ruler Name: Haflinger
Subtleknifewielder Alliance: The JavaHouse League
State Of Unified Nations Soldiers Lost: 504,026 271,629 Tanks Lost: 46,730 34,690 Cruise Missiles Lost: 0 0 Aircraft Lost: 675 536 Navy Lost: 42 35 Infrastructure Lost: 1,059.23 2,349.13 Technology Lost: 749.74 1,031.68 Land Lost: 1,062.195 3,064.505 Land/Tech/Infra: 8,519.66 Strength Lost 16,802.53 Strength Lost Destruction Rank: This war was more destructive than 3,257 of 3,420 existing wars.EDIT: Well, that pasted horribly. The point is he won.
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It is time to get those Java beans warm and wet! That is how we like our coffee.
For the record, I fought with the Legion in GW3. (To my eternal shame, The Legion was my first alliance.)
I'd bet serious money that they're just as sucky now as they were then.
Sounds like Legion and NoR are in agreement on this issue.
I'll take a mocha cafe with whipped White Chocolate please. Thx Leegun CCC loves you.
Hey now, that's my job, not yours. You have to ask before you do that.
This war is the equivalent of France declaring war on Germany in 1872.
Oh, and what's bjalbert up to? Guy fought hard and was good to deal with last war. Also props to kolsara and konk for being tough guys.
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I'll have to look for a source, but I read there was a study done where the prisoner's dilemma scenario was played out with actual prisoners and neither betrayed each other.
It doesn't work that way, nor does it work how others have explained it here.
I was about to make one of those dumb alignment chart macros, with regards to different alliances, but I realized I'd run out of space in Lawful Evil. Even still, I'd break it down something like this:
Lawful Neutral Chaotic
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| NpO | FARK | KASKUS |
| ODN | | |
| VE | | | Good
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| NATO | GPA | RIA |
| | WTF | NEW |
| | | | Neutral
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| GOONS | TPF? | DBDC? |
| NPO | | |
| UMB | | | Evil
| SPARTA | | |
| TOP
| NG
Etc.
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This is actually a really cool idea in a horrifyingly nerdy way. I'd definitely read and probably reply to a blog post about it.
Which is the whole point. It's systematic chaos. The current order uses their power to promote stability, whereas Doom promotes chaos by keeping CN in a constant state of war.
That was a letdown of an album.
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About time.
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There's got to be a way to put only one AI circle on there, and yeah, adding Argent+TLR on NADC would be good too. Overall looking good.
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Guys ease up on Bob, he's under some serious pressure. It's not easy being one of the leaders of a coalition and still not at war when your puppets are in deep. To make matters worse, the other side are being dicks and not calling the treaties you need called to commit people to the right front!
Bob knows this coalition's failed policy of winging it and relying on the other side to act predictably isn't working and if we aren't baited in soon there's a question of what front to find new puppets to open, and who will volunteer?You realize having fewer allies in any reasonable shape for any war in the near future is a bad thing, right? An eroding power base is not a nice thing.
As for puppets, I haven't actually talked to Bob in a while. Nice guy though, maybe I should be his puppet because why not?
It is hard to punch a 10-foot giant in the fact when you are a mere 5'8.
War on Bob generally results with everyone getting punched in the fact regardless.
Both alliances mentioned have ties to both sides. A direct attack on an ally usually forces involvement when split ally considerations may otherwise be in the picture. Sarkin is right to point out that this is likely a motivation behind the policy especially when retaliation against Polar attackers is painted as an aggressive act along with the fact that the Polar attacks are spun as defensive.
Pretty much this. Poor RIA's gotta see NSO and Polar on opposite sides, although RIA probably saw that coming. Valhalla will do whatever Valhalla does because that's what Valhalla does, to be horribly tautological about them.
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Hope all's well. Haven't talked in a while but haven't forgotten you guys! Looking forward to what you do next.