Robster83
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With so much butthurt everywhere recently, I thought putting up this topic would be a good idea. Pretty sure it was done before. Just to give a shout out to the opponents you faced, either because you were impressed by their fighting ability or generally witty war time banter.
Over at UPN our guys have payed out alot of compliments to Steve Buscemi.
And from my personal experience, it was fun getting wrecked by Sunny Side King :P
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Nobody gives a hoot about one particular nation's WC or why they're not fighting. Take a look around and there are hundreds of nations in peace mode on both sides. Stop using petty attacks to avoid addressing statements. It's below you.
That's really funny given that Steve Buscemi has been the main culprit of using these "petty tactics." :laugh:
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This is not the first time an alliance has to pick a side whilst having allies in both. Multiple commitments happen all the time. However, most alliances are able to navigate them without completely alienating half of their sphere.
IRON could have chosen a dozen different paths that still led them to fight on the winning side without bungling it *this* badly.I don't disagree with you. IRON will themselves recognise that they made mistakes. Not cancelling the NG treaty being the prime one. However some people are really making it a bigger deal than it is, for obvious reasons.
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Okay, let's play this game.
LoSS peaces out with NG and deploys on front "B". Another alliance that would have gone to front B instead deploys on NG.
LoSS benefits from saving face for their ill-thought manner of entry. IRON benefits by having an excuse that they "did their part". NG still gets dogpiled just as much as it is now and sees zero benefit.
Is that seriously what IRON would consider being a good ally to work out as? Trying to broker a deal that gives zero benefit to your ally, and nothing but positive PR for their enemies?I think the crux of this whole debate is that the relationship between IRON - NG had already broken down. Only those who chose to remain ignorant did not see it. It's clear that IRON should of cancelled the treaty, which they essentially saw as redundant anyway, and I am sure they agree with me -- albeit with the benefit of hindsight now. Let's not act like they are the only alliance around to let a treaty gather some dust... it's just extremely unfortunate for them that in this war, it had to become an issue with the whole LoSS debacle.
However at the end of the day, this was a situation where whatever choice they made, they would seemingly be backing out of already made commitments. From this point onwards it was just a decision of who they would rather roll with. And clearly they made their choice...
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They were not negotiating peace. They were demanding white peace from NG with no reentry between NG/LoSS. It serves us no benefit if we white peace and they declare on say, TLR or NoR, because that would still be putting more pressure on NG.
It was more so you demanding them to peace out and agree to no re-entry... which is hilarious, given that you are in no position to make such demands.
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Two alliances I greatly admire. I hope my friends in TOP and TPF will have fun. But I will be of course rooting for my allies!
o/ TOP
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But the treaty wasn't cancelled. IRON had plenty of time to do so, and they didn't. Sure, they might have taken a minor hit for seeming to "bail" on NG, but nothing like the hit they're taking for the shit they're pulling now. And who cares that the government lineup is different? Governments change, if that was affecting the relationship, IRON should have downgraded or cancelled the treaty instead of ignoring their obligations. Just because they don't like the treaty anymore doesn't excuse their behavior.
I am not excusing anything, and as I said, IRON's biggest mistake was not letting go of that treaty -- even though they knew what was coming. It's a tricky situation. Just pointing out that the statement of "IRON will shit on all it's allies to avoid a beatdown" is too much of a generalisation, and we all know that this specific situation isn't that simple.
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Pez doesn't need to pretend. IRON has demonstrated for the whole world to see how they value their allies when they betrayed their ally NG and oA'ed into this war through a ghost VE DoW in order to hit one of NG's allies that haven't betrayed them. In a nutshell, what IRON has demonstrated is that when one of their allies gets rolled, they will betray them, and then bandwagon against anyone that actually fulfills their obligations and defends them.
"values" indeed.
Let's not pretend that NG were surprised by IRON's actions. That treaty should of been cancelled pre-war, and I am sure that IRON recognise this themselves, but they aren't the only alliance guilty of letting a treaty gather dust and not cancel it. Let's not ignore that the current government is also very different to the line up that inked that treaty. It was clear that the new administration were pulling in a completely opposite direction.
I think IRONs biggest mistake was not getting rid of that essentially redundant treaty, before it all kicked off.
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Love both of these alliances. Probably the two of the most noble in CN.
Have fun ya'll!
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A truly glorious day! :D
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Have fun guys! :)
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No trolling just truth....Umbrella thinks you are crap, congrats on being their pawn. For example I have it on good authority this was a recent topic on their boards.
Don't believe me, ask them.
Implying that MHA are doing this solely for Umbrella is stupid.
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o/ CCC.
Wreck them!
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o/ MCXA
Proud to have such a great ally. Have fun.
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An uncomfortable situation for us.
But NADC's commitment cannot be questioned.
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o/ Have fun LoSS.
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o/ SUN. Have fun!
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Many are referring to last war when GATO peaced out everything under 100k and then let their allies burn.
He was talking about the person who referred to TOP.
Which absolutely idiotic. If you look at the numbers, TOP are one of the leaders of the coalition in terms of damage done. Everyone knows TOP is militarily competent, and that there is a strategical reason behind holding some people back. They simply ensured that they will remain effective for the later rounds. Which is beneficial given that we signed up to this for the long haul.
It's one thing to use it for a valid tactical reason, with people coming out as necessary, and another to completely peace out for the entirety of the war, whilst making false promises to everyone, including your allies, and continuing to act tough. Hint: TOP isn't the latter.
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Have fun out there MHA!
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Go get them DoD o/
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Give them hell fellas!
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Have fun.
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See again, lying again bro. It's kind of pathetic. I know there is slots in the range of that guy, lol. You PM'ed your top nation b/c he had no warchest. Everyone can see that, it's not even a big deal for UPN to admit that. And it really doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things.
No shit genius. I already pointed that out to you. Maybe you should read for once instead of continuing your spewing. I am saying you are pathetic, and you say nothing of substance. Yes, that guy is in peace mode due to not having a warchest. As are a couple of other guys. What's your point?
There's plenty in NG who are in the same predicament. Don't try and pretend otherwise, we've carried out spy ops too. It's just that I have the brain cells to realise when something is the exception, not the norm.
You've been plotting and planning this war for over 4 months now. We even knew you'd all attack for that long.Everyone in our coalition is literally laughing at this. Given that we attacked you in short notice, and there was a change of plan.The war as a whole? Maybe. UPN on NG specifically? No, in fact it was never even considered up until several hours before the DoW.I notice that nearly every reply from you guys is about how we are "whining" or "crying". Every one of you keeps saying this for some reason, meh, must be your coalition's thing. Must be your version of "umad bro". But I've actually had the most fun ever, I'm pretty sure, in all my days of CN, the same night you guys declared. Ask Derwood. And my opponents are extremely well coordinated so it's mega-F5'ing fun. Last war was kind of a let down due to our opponents. TOP/Umb have not been the case and I appreciate that.:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Ok Steve, whatever you say.
Glad to hear you're having fun.
Farewell Everyone
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I've seen you around on IRC every now and then, you seemed like a chill dude. Best of luck in RL! :)