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I can appreciate your desire to give Caffine a "second chance", but he's had quite a few "second chances" to this point. I gave Caffine a second chance once. I even voted for him in Echelon based on a "second chance" and a "new start".... and here we are... Caffine will bring only one thing, and unfortunately Shayde is just the beginning... Oh, and probably the most civil... Caffine just brings it out of you

This seems a bit surprising. I guess if you're willing to accept these circumstances, considering his reputation & potential stain, that decision must be respected. I would only predict Shayde will not be the last nation to go rouge on Caffine... I'll also predict Caffine will be back to his "old-ways" soon enough, and bring even more attention. Good luck with him!

Shayde understands exactly what he's doing, as unlikely as that may seem. Although I can't support going nuke-rouge, I can say I do support his retribution. I would had preferred he challenged Caffine to a duel to properly school him without providing him with any sympathy, but it is his cause, and for those that know the history, his crusade is just. Shayde & I do not see eye to eye often, but in this action I see his perspective clearly: "I may go to hell, but I'm take'in you with me..." That's the "loyalty" Caffine instills. To his protectorate: I understand your obligations, and hold no ill will towards your members, but I do hope this incident will cause you to question the value of such a member that would draw such ire. For all those that would speak out against Caffine, there are 10 who would do exactly what Shayde is doing if they had the opportunity. Protecting such a member is your prerogative, but his stench surely contaminates the honorable reputation of those who would associate with him, even through such obligations. I do wish this battle was more balanced for a better show, but it is what it is. May Caffine burn along with his nation...