raincoat2
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I'll buy it.
Well his goal was to get Seth, not iFok. When Seth left iFok, then iFok lost any minor relevance it had.
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You doubt my sincerity? To see the depth, magnitude, and fortitude of my sorrow you must do no more than stare into my immortal heart. If you cannot find it you to forgive me, then very well, at least I still know the truth, and I shall carry this anguish with me to the end of days if I must. That is how badly I feel for what I have done to you.
If you have an "immortal heart" then how exactly will you have an "end of days"
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The NPO was your only choice? Hardly.
This is true, he could have joined a non colored alliance and just stayed on red.
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Interesting read, but I'm not sure what point you're making. You start out saying "There is a problem on Bob today..." and then go on to say that it isn't "e-lawyering." Okay - what is the problem? Are you saying the problem is alliances not keeping their word?
I'm not agreeing or disagreeing - just trying to figure out what you think IS the problem.
The problem is you only read the first few lines of the post instead of the entire thing.
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I think a big part of the issue is FAN was never given any notification to stop the violators or even a clarification of 20 percent AND that this violation had been happening for months, but NPO decided to wait till the terms were almost done to sneak attack the entire alliance. If NPO really had an issue with the violators they would have addressed it months before when the violations began instead of waiting till the terms were almost over to catch FAN on a technicality(which in no way violated the spirit of the surrender, FAN was definitely not using these soldiers for anything and the terms only had 4 days left on them).
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Seems rather pointless.
Also,
That reads to me like a statement against the intent behind the Writ's loopholes. How does it actually conflict with her oath?
Actually its a statement that their isn't any nefarious intent. Its a more formal style of english, but yes she is rejecting the possibility that there is any nefarious intent.
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You know what would have happened if OV didn't cede its sovereignty to its allies? They would have apologized for accepting spied information, and maybe sethb would have one round of war.
I think, from the perspective of Ordo Verde, that's quite preferable to the present situation. And you know who agrees with me? Sethb. He apologized and he agreed to go for one round of war in the initial round of negotiations ... but something held him back -- his "allies." And what happens when you cede your sovereignty to people who don't have your best interests at heart?
Well, in this case, it's clear: eternal war. Many of OV's allies don't want peace. They want this war to continue forever, until the New Pacific Order is not and never can be a "threat." I fail to see any situation, save our ceasing to exist, where we can't, somehow, theoretically, in the future, be a "threat." That's the line they parrot, and it's the line that sethb happily accepted, to his and his alliance's doom.
What doom is that? Well, the doom of an eternal war they didn't want. I know they didn't want it, because they were able to go to reasonable steps to avoid it, as were we. But their allies saw an opening. They saw a unique tool, and I certainly don't blame them for grasping the hammer and pounding the nail; I give them credit for their guile, but I have little sympathy for the hammer that put itself in the hands of someone else.
The problem with being a hammer is that you're in someone's fist.
Do you have any evidence that NPO intended this penalty? Based on NPOs past behavior and the logs of the diplomats from the discussion, I find it far more likely the entire alliance would have gotten at least one round of war and Sethb would have gotten at least ZI. I am sure OV felt the same way. NPO has never been known to be a merciful victor, so I doubt they would have suddenly changed their tune and given OV a very light reprimand.
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Of course it's absurd. No one is doubting that it is absurd.
What's absurd is you trying to make pithy one-line posts as if you control any single aspect of your situation and your destiny. Yes, we, the New Pacific Order don't really have much say in these terms, as the losing power, but what's most sad, is that as the victorious power, you don't seem to have any say either.
1. Do you have any evidence that Seth is not involved in other aspects of Karma? How exactly do you know the inner workings of the faction?
2. Wouldn't it be possible Seth is not speaking up because he is happy with the current terms and has nothing to add? There is no point in talking just to prove you can, it would just be nonsensical chatter.
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Sethb, you're right. I don't know you very well. I never did, and I doubt I ever will.
I only know what you write and what you say. And what you've been saying is that you "know" why this war started, and moreover you've boasted on more than one occasion that you and you alone are the thing that brought down the New Pacific Order.
You are a tool. And I don't mean in the obscene sense, but simply the functional sense. You were convenient. You were everything those who controlled you and continue to control you wanted. A mid-level government official of a small alliance accepts spied information. Not a big enough alliance that they would be accused of knowing better. Not even high enough in your small alliance that you should know better. But in an alliance that was connected in precisely the way that mattered to activate the treaty web.
I know you're a tool because I understand alliances and alliance growth. This war isn't good for you. You have no reason to hate the NPO. Before this war, we never heard of OV and we never cared. I don't mean that in the callous sense, merely in the sense that our paths never crossed until you decided to cross them.
I know you're a tool because in every negotiation session I've been part during this war, you have been present as well and you barely speak. And I admit, I was curious. I know and knew nothing of you, beyond the events that began this conflict. We spoke briefly on IRC in query, but I wanted to hear your opinions during these peace negotiations on the record, and you did not speak, though I asked your opinions officially. You let the others do the talking for you. Perhaps it's because you value their opinions so much. Perhaps it's because they protect you. But in reality, I suspect it's because they control your destiny, and they do so because you let them.
I think that's sad.
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I would like to address this point. I will agree that this war is not good for OV, however remember that NPO started this war. It would not have been good for them regardless of Karmas involvement. You seem to think OV is being "used" by Karma. However, OV asked for their Karma allies help. You act as if had Karma not intervened in any way, OV would have happily gotten out of this situation. No, instead of being at the "mercy" of their allies(which I don't see as any different than any war situation, an alliance is always at the mercy of its allies to come and defend it), they would be at the mercy of the NPO. OV made a choice, they could have been rolled by the NPO or protected with their allies help, I dont see how they are now considered a "tool" because they had their allies help them in a war instead of being rolled by the NPO.
Just because Karma may have had motives other than helping OV, does not mean OV did not accomplish what it wanted from this war.
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Do you really want eternal war? We have stated why that is impossible to accept, as it would easily result in us accidentally violating the terms. Is the 90% really whats important to these terms? You couldnt just track our banks and hit them whenever they leave peace mode? They are going to need to leave it to pay our massive terms.
How is that any different than what happened with FAN? I find it ironic that your fear here is that Karma will start acting like the NPO. I think your fear is unfounded. Even if you believe a few of the alliances involved would act like the NPO and declare on a minor term violation, most of the Karma alliances would want nothing to do with it. Meaning those few that you could see wanting to would lack the support needed. I dont think you need to worry about Karma pulling an NPO, there is simply too many players who would have no part of it for that sort of thing to get through.
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The only weasel's are the ones who keep getting frustrated that NPO is taking the most logical course of action. But keep spouting the propaganda, it demonstrates just how dumb Karma is better than any of its enemies ever could.
To use your example, spouting off the BS line "but the terms have been proven completable by neutral parties in approximately 6 months", you should really revisit your elementary school math. You can't take an unknown and prescribe a value to it unless you know all the other values in the equation. Therefore you can't know what they can pay or how long it would take because the majority of their players will be at war for a minimum of two or more weeks before the reps even kick in. To reuse your term, with the weasel wording about "when the clock starts" in the terms Karma presented, this can mean that it starts a year after the first person come out of peace mode if whatever scumbag is the time keeper decides that they only have 89.9% before such time.
Don't you hate it when pesky logic gets in the way of a ridiculous argument.
Actually, I believe you are very misinformed on that point. From what lead Karma alliances have said, its a total of two weeks of war for each nation which has already been taken into account. Nations wont be at war for longer than that. The clock starts for each nation on an individual level when they enter war mode. The amount of damage they will take will be within tolerable levels to repay reps. Even after going back to ZI, most nations will have a large enough war chest to buy back to aiding status.
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Did you ever consider that the terms are so ridiculous that no one in their right mind would accept? Maybe you should do a poll on that, a more accurate question. Can't figure out who's handing the wacky weed out to Karma.
We already have polls on that(are we too harsh? and others)... and ridiculous is a rather vague weasel word so I don't know how to respond to that, but the terms have been proven completable by neutral parties in approximately 6 months.
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Citadel and SF fought against Polar, and then against NPO. Many of the same people were leadership in Coalition and Karma; the only major Coalition leader in Hegemony was chefjoe.
The people who believe this think that the war against the Polars was designed to weaken Pacifica's defenses by disabling their oldest and closest ally, and as a bonus break down the relationship between the Orders. It's not illogical, but you need to be a telepath to verify whether the theory is true.
I think its very illogical considering that Pacifica was the the one who canceled treaties on NpO based on internal issues, not external ones. No alliance is responsible for the splitting of the 2 alliances other than the NPO..
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It can be but hell it's better than not being able to earn money due to a war going on
If you get your enjoyment from nation building, you can join a neutral alliance that stays out of war and nation build to your hearts content. You dont need to participate in the war system.
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No, he can't.
Well in that case his argument is completely false and unfounded. Once again, just because you have a minority opinion does not mean free speech is not available. I have not seen anyone on the Karma side threaten someone who speaks against them. Free speech actually does exist now.
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There have been a fairly large number of remarks on these forums to the effect of "If NPO continues to publish information about the peace offers we make to them, then the terms will get worse."
That's suppression of speech by military means, just like the good ol' days with GOONS and the rest of 'em.
Can you provide me with government members making these comments? I have heard people saying the terms won't get any better, but I have not seen any government member in charge of setting terms say that they will become worse.
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That is one of my favorite exchanges to ever take place on Bob...classic.
After reading through it, I find someone of the posts very funny. Particularly the last one in the thread, saying the poster "cant wait to see Doitzels reaction if the NPO one day falls".
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OH MY GOD! A thread about comradeship! How dare someone proclaim that they are proud to be part of their alliance!
Seriously, talk about reading between the lines. So he mentioned other alliance would do it with more text. It's hardly an insult to any alliance, whether they do it or not. He just didn't want to bore you. What a joke...
HAIL RAGNAROK o/
Wow, you just completely missed the point of the OP, failed to actually read through most of the thread and ended up contradicting him without noticing it. Nice job. FWI, the OP was intended to mock people who make threads just because they decided to stay with their alliance.
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That is one of my favorite exchanges to ever take place on Bob...classic.
Doitzel seems very angry in it.
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Wow, your posts have sure deteriorated as of late. I see you have resorted to putting words in my mouth, nice. Please tell me where I said better tactical decisions meant picking the bigger side (I'll address that abomination of an argument here in a second). Better tactical decisions most often mean better allocation of resources (planning out who fights on what fronts) and picking the right time to attack. I'm sorry, but it is clear that both of those points were not addressed well by your military organizers.
Let's look at the facts.
Initial pre-war projections had about even sides, with the Hegemony with a slight advantage. Well damn, I guess we picked the bigger side huh? If Sparta, MHA, and TOP wanted to choose the bigger side and keep a position of pure political dominance, we would have joined NPO and quite possibly turn the tide of the war.
The fact NPO pulled that CB out of their $@! is about as much proof as I need. Anyways, I would hope you knew tension was already at an all time high between NPO's sphere and SF. At least, I would expect that much from someone of your position.
I would like both of you to clearly show out your prewar projections, both of you keep citing numbers without any explanation at all.
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It still doesn't. Sad to say, but I'm sure Josef Thorne felt once that the forums were full of free and open debates.
Just because you hold an opinion in the minority on these forums does not mean there is no free and open debate. There stops being free and open debate when people are threatened with attack for speech Or when alliances tell there members to be quiet for fear of treading on the wrong alliances toes.
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At various times the GPA had a sharp, disciplined and stern military. It counts for naught if it isn't linked with a spotless reputation that justifies any severity of defensive military retaliation, a multi-lateral world, and a top-notch diplomatic leadership that sees threats coming from light-years away.
Any time you're missing one of those elements, it makes it quite simple for the nefarious to stick a crowbar in there and crack open the dam which holds back a Planet-Bob-sized ocean.
This is said as someone with more than a little perspective on the matter.
Yeah, having a GGA level military or FAN level military is irrelevant if you don't have any allies who will fight for you in the war, because you will just be too massively outnumbered.
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They're not only looking, they're accepting and sending tech. Mass smuggling to prevent it from being lost in the war.
These are just the recent ones I've noticed tonight, browsing through their nations. Sending your tech to hide with your "refusing to come out and fight" folks. Click through their ranks, there's a bunch a stuff like this, heck at least 6 more instances I've seen reported in the last few days of giant daisy chains of movement.
They're not ignoring orders, they're smuggling and hiding. I was one of the folks on our side calling for the % term to be modified or dropped in leiu of something different. I gave up on that tonight after I was shown the movement of pixels into safety. Obviously these people aren't ignoring orders to come out and fight, if everyone under the sun is giving them stuff.
I did not think NPO would be able to give karma a valid reason to make the terms harsher, but they seem to have proved me wrong.
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Thank you for leaving us to the game there. I am quite enjoying being the Asian hyper power at the moment, it's a great relief from the pothole I actually have in the game of CN itself. How I got into the paradoxical situation of having a pothole for a nation.. and a hyper power in RP is a very long and convoluted story that would take at least 6 months to fully unravel.. you'd have to basically read the Fantasy RP forum backlog. *chortles*
That world is as different from cn as light to day at times, not often, but sometimes.
Funny, I have always thought light and day are extremely similar concepts.
Will NPO's membership revolt?
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The current set of terms are both hard and possible. Considering there is no required time frame on the terms, there is no reason you can't complete them.