subcomandante marcoz
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I am glad to see there are no plans for black on black violence. That is just a way for the white sphere to keep you down.
I LOL'D
o/ -SE-
BLACK POWER!
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sorry about the actions from my part that lead to this but its understandable. I hope we can rebuild our relationship in the nearfuture.
o/ CPCN
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You've got to be joking. We're all having problem finding open war slots, actually.
actually I was joking hence the
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point taken
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There is nothing new under the sun.
However, the majority of CPCN chose not to follow the autocratic path chosen by your own alliance. Your rhetorical support for an authoritarian attempted coup against the majority is entirely in keeping with your ideological stance - can't fault you there. But it does not alter the illegitimacy of that failed coup. Best keep the support rhetorical, eh? Or, ideally, leave the CPCN majority to carry on along its chosen path without any further interference from you and the would-be coup leader. Just a comradely suggestion.
well Pingu your right about it being in line with my ideology but that fact that Demo's proposed govt. only wants to have the GA with power checks is something that should be done its gone too far, also its not really a majority only 10 people voted to change the alliance into something it was not founded on. Demokratikos showed me the constitution its not anything as authoritatrian as -SE-
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Do you really want to play this game with me again. You have a dictator who can do anything he wants for life with absolutely no checks on his power - the fact he CHOOSES to poll you before acting and usually does what you want does not make him any less a dictator nor your alliance any less fascist.
and apparently autocracies are new to CN........
We run perfectly fine in -SE- thank you and the fact that the alliance is authoritarian does not make it in the least fascist you can call it Stalinist but that wont be insulting me
the fact he CHOOSES to poll you before acting and usually does what you want does not make him any less a dictator nor your alliance any less fascistBut the fact that he does what we want makes it Democratic-Centralist not fascist.
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It hasn't; but when a member of the SE government runs into the thread talking about how the fascists wrapped in a hammer and sickle will be supported it comes off as a government position.
So what? apparently you dont bother to look at our govt. structure its an autocracy? and fascist how so? just because YOU and a bunch of Left Wing Communists and anarchists say it is
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You also certainly seem to be SE government.
and that has taken away my mouth and free speech how again.........
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Your part about being a mini-LSF is hilarious. CPCN has elected officials, and there are only a few ex-LSF members.
those elected officials are merely figureheads they have no authority.
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Ah, SE has declared their support for Demokratikos' actions thus proving incontrovertibly he has departed from communist and socialist ideals.
Unfortunate, I wish NoV happy hunting when they finally get around to cleansing this pox from the CyberVerse.
who said -SE- supported this? I said to SciHobo to not be some omnipotent assuming that Demokratikos wont get support and why would NoV need to get involved
I think they got their hands full with LSF
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your from SE, you have nothing to do with CPCN's internal business, especially who they want in their gov...
a protecturate means you will protect them from outside forces... not control them from the inside... and oh... you got it from the "members" well again, how many members did you talk to? was it maybe demo you talked to... cuz that would make a lot of sense....
i think you need to just sit back and let them deal with things on their own, like big boys... like the rest of CN is letting them do...
The fact that CPCN is our protectorate is very much our matter, when the leader of the alliance comes to ask for our help from a group that is threatening the foundations of the alliance concerns us, I did not pressure Silent to sign a protectorate with an alliance that was just a mini-LSF, which it has turned into which is evident since it had the voted to give the GA ABSOLUTE POWER.
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I suppose Demo and his 5 supporters gave them to you?
that number will grow I assure you.
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Your not a member, where did you get those numbers?
From the membership DUH
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Well Marcoz is a Stalinist, so I think he'd disagree.
well im a MLM to be exact
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A couple dozen is 24, which is over half the alliance.
that fact that its a trot defending the disbandonment of Marxism-Leninism is not too surprising but I guess I stand corrected on my own numbers.
ONLY 11 MEMBERS VOTED TO CHANGE THE CONSTITUTION TO ABANDON ML
Aye: 10
Nay: 1
Abstain: 0
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ENFORCING or not, its not his job to pick how the people want to be ran... its the peoples job...
since when do a couple dozen members speak for 45?
If I remember correctly i was less than half the alliance that wanted to get rid of ML and Democratic Centralism that is no case a majority, maybe a majority for people who voted there but they should have never been in the alliance in the first place because they were mostly non-Marxist Leninists and the fact that you had to be Marxist-Leninist to join the alliance was a fact but not enforced(which it should have been)
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What are you talking about, read our post, the constitution clearly states that only the GA can change the constitution, it's CUT AND DRY. Get your facts straight.
by what 10 or so members who voted to change it? yeah some big "majority"
The fact is dont be all omnipotent to not think Demokratikos is bluffing on his statement of "hundreds" supporting him.
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The problem is he has no legal right to "enact" a constitution. By the original constitution, the only force that can do that is the GA, and this was not followed. As a result of logic, he is illegitimate.
Anarchist and all? Pffttt. Stop believing what Demo is telling you.
Really? then what is it that the GA has no checks to its power, and the fact that it just abandoned EVERYTHING the alliance stood for, this rebel faction is nothing but an LSF clone.
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my main thought isn't whether Demo is right or not... but that if the alliance it self wants a form of gov. it should get it... whether the leader wants it or not... its not the leaders alliance, its the general memberships alliance, especially in a communist alliance...
Demo being right or wrong(which he was wrong in my opinion) has little meaning in my support of the true CPCN... its the fact that he had to coup them to do it.. if you have to coup a whole group to gain a certain gov. then your doing it wrong, and should try making a new alliance with your gov.. then the people who actually want it, will join you
People are missing one thing, Demo is actually ENFORCING the alliance constitution which states it was based on Democratic Centralism and Marxism-Leninism.
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Anybody else find it ironic that Demokratikos is trying to become a dictator?
thats just not true, the connie he is supporting and enacted still has a legislative body the fact that the other faction is revolting is because they wanted to turn it into a neo-LSF with the GA having absolute authority, now CPCN we were asked to sign a protectorate with you people that the fact you were going to be a "moderate" Marxist-Leninist alliance to be a bridge for LSF and -SE- well LOL your just plain LSF now anarchist and all, and the fact that Trotskyists are rvolting against their own "suppossed" principles is hilarious, you people have no concept of the word Democratic-Centralism as opposed to Direct Democracy do you?
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What is wrong with you people? This was absolutely necessary the fact that you people were granting the General Assembly THE SAME powers that the LSF DC had, with the Officials being nothing but figureheads. The fact that you could not even control your member Yuusha from flaming NoV ON THE PUBLIC FORUM was just how inneffective CPCN was before. The straw I heard that drew it was that you people wanted to transform the alliance into a de-facto clone of LSF, with unlimited GA power and even destroying the foundations of the alliance. All Demokratikos was doing was giving checks and balances to the alliance and making it so that the Chairman and Premier could veto outrageous and stupid bills you people passed like the 25 stupid amendments and even one to designate HOW MUCH AID YOU WERE GOING TO GIVE TO AN ALLIANCE MEMBER. I was so close on proposing to cancelling your protectorate treaty because the fact that you could not even control members was making it sound like we were going to have another loud mouth minority that could not shut its mouth leading the destruction to another leftist alliance and we were going to be dragged down with it.
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Dont think that attacking Demokratikos wont get a serious reply from us, I see him as the legitimate heir not you Neo-LSF. the fact that your alliance was based on Marxism-Leninism was one of the only reasons I supporting signing a protectorate.
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Posted · Edited by Subcomandante Marcoz
thats too hard, we have over 300 registered names on our forums this is easier for us
Also reading makes you smarter Cuba