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Ventus ex Gutter

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  1. Gatherum cleared his throat.

    This is a notice to all current and future clients that my other account has received the Banhammer due to a lack of a matching nation in the name. It is thus that I will be using this one from now on. It is also my understanding that at least one of you PMed me an order, which I intend to fulfill, yet can no longer access. If you know who you are, I would kindly ask that you forward that PM to this account.

    Heyman, I haven't begun to make your sig yet, but rest assured that I have not forgotten. I will begin work on it very soon, perhaps today, actually.

    To those whom it may concern, I will continue to appear as Gatherum on IRC, which is actually the preferred medium for placing orders. This thread will continue to be used for posting recently-finished creations.

    MODs: Not intended to be a gravedig. I am hoping it is not locked.

  2. I do not believe Karma exists, because not all unjust are brought to justice and not all just are justly rewarded. IMO, the "Karma" Coalition is a collection of groups who were sick of the Hegemony and thus decided to do somthing about it.

    The name is still fitting though, supposing, for argument's sake, that Karma is real.

  3. It is pointless to pretend any stance taken by the ODN is one of principle instead of convenience. These people have never had warm blood in their veins. It doesn't matter which announcement came first or last. Amongst any circle of learned men you could have wandered into in the last few days, the talk was simply what sort of disadvantage the NPO would be facing and who would strike first. It is true, the NPO had not yet blundered whilst the ODN held their discussions. But it doesn't matter. Sun Tzu applies here, this war had been won before it was ever fought and ODN had already picked their side.

    Why don't you tell that to the six alliances that bailed last night? They pretty much won the war against...themselves... :wacko:

    Fine if you just don't like ODN. I realize that some people just don't like other people. Period. But don't let it blind you. Be happy they're making some sort of effort and/or choice. They could've just as easily said, "To hell with all of this!" and declared neutrality, avoiding any possibility of conflict altogether.

  4. Given the radio silence and the way things have gone down, I suspect something more than meets the eye.

    I would advise Karma to be prepared for a surprise...no I have no information regard this, nor am I certain. It's just a hunch.

  5. * facepalms

    Please don't tell me you have no idea WTF you're talking about. The OP states very clearly you won't fight in support of NPO and those 3 treaties are the ones that will be activated for certain. Not that others can't be activated as well.

    With that said... have fun boys and girls.

    ...ODN doesn't have any other treaties with mandatory defense or aggression clauses in them, other than those three treaties, and the ones they're not going to activate.

    The rest are ODPs, FPTs, or PIATs.

  6. IRON welcomed ODN and tried to treat them well even as everyone was trolling the !@#$ out of them (notably, pretty much everyone now hailing them), IRON is also a very large part of the reason no one ever bothered to go and attack ODN. IRON has been ODN's single greatest political asset for over a year.

    This is only my personal opinion, and not that of the rest of ODN, but they have honestly been one of our greatest hinderances for that same year. They have been in our business, dictating who we ally and do not ally ourselves to, as well as who we can cancel and not cancel on, as if we are their secondary colony on Orange. We appreciate their political maneuvering to keep us alive, but we will not, I repeat, will not dance for them when they themselves dance for Pacifica, and whoever else they feel they need to please. Perhaps, at some point, we were the blood brothers that our pact claimed that were were, but the fact that IRON made a huge "oversight" about informing us of the return of GOONS speaks for just how much importance IRON places upon us as an ally.

    I talked with Finsterbaby earlier today, because, despite me actually supporting the return of GOONS, I wanted to figure out, for the sake of ODN's GA, why they chose not to come to us with this news. These are the (brief) logs...

    Session Start: Tue Apr 21 17:10:46 2009

    Session Ident: FinsterBaby[iRON]

    01[17:10] <Ventus_ex_Gutter> Hello?

    [17:10] <FinsterBaby[iRON]> Hi

    01[17:11] <Ventus_ex_Gutter> Hey.

    [17:11] <FinsterBaby[iRON]> what can I do ya for?

    01[17:11] <Ventus_ex_Gutter> I'm from ODN, and I just have a curious question because I wonder myself what IRON's explanation is.

    [17:12] <FinsterBaby[iRON]> sure

    [17:12] <FinsterBaby[iRON]> I'll do my best.

    01[17:12] <Ventus_ex_Gutter> Basically, lots of people in ODN are wondering what the deal is with you guys letting the new GOONS off the hook.

    01[17:13] <Ventus_ex_Gutter> For the record, I have no disdain for your decision personally. In fact, I'm glad that the Goon Order of Oppression Negligence and Sadism is out of our reach, lest we do something petty and stupid. Grudges are not good things to keep.

    [17:13] <FinsterBaby[iRON]> IRON had no clue you guys were still technically in a state of war with GOONS. Had we known we absolutely have consulted ODN government. I've told your Gov't this, and apologized for the oversight.

    01[17:13] <Ventus_ex_Gutter> But, GGA tried to explain to us, so now we just wanna know what IRON had to say.

    01[17:14] <Ventus_ex_Gutter> Aye. Like I said, no disdain. And I know our .gov knows. Mostly, I'm just here in the interest of the GA, since there isn't much clear clarification or news about what you've said.

    [17:16] <FinsterBaby[iRON]> We've been very preoccupied with a lot of things going on outside of this issue. I want to speak to the GA about this, but I can't currently

    01[17:17] <Ventus_ex_Gutter> I can see that...seems the Apocalypse has finally arrived.

    01[17:18] <Ventus_ex_Gutter> Well, if you have time, I'd be happy to know. If not though, I'll leave you to take care of what you need to take care of, whatever it is.

    [17:25] <FinsterBaby[iRON]> I will try to do my best. I do want to talk to the GA, but I don't know that I can do that this evening.

    01[17:25] <Ventus_ex_Gutter> Er...I wasn't asking necessarily for you to talk to them as a whole...simply, tell me what's going on, and then I'll be happy to pass it on.

    01[17:25] <Ventus_ex_Gutter> If that is fair.

    [17:26] <FinsterBaby[iRON]> Of course that's fair. :)

    [17:26] <FinsterBaby[iRON]> I will do my best to try.

    01[17:26] <Ventus_ex_Gutter> Alright.

    01[17:27] <Ventus_ex_Gutter> I'll be here when you get a moment. :)

    Session Close: Tue Apr 21 19:15:16 2009

    Session Start: Tue Apr 21 19:15:16 2009

    Session Ident: FinsterBaby[iRON]

    I have waited, and he has yet to elaborate to me what it is. Fine, fine...I am, after all, not that important...he doesn't need to share with me this info.

    The best part, though, is that Finster apparently had not forgotten, because Arsenal had been in contact with him approximately a month ago about the relationship between ODN and GOONS. I showed Arsenal the log above. Here's what Arsenal said about the issue...

    [17:59] <Arsenal[ODN]> When was this?

    01[18:11] <Ventus_ex_Gutter> Not long ago...I'd say about half an hour.

    01[18:20] <Ventus_ex_Gutter> Why?

    [18:33] <Arsenal[ODN]> Because he's pretty pissed at me.

    01[19:39] <Ventus_ex_Gutter> Finster?

    [19:39] <Arsenal[ODN]> Yeah.

    [19:39] <Arsenal[ODN]> He's being a !@#$%* because ODN's on the other side.

    01[19:39] <Ventus_ex_Gutter> So it's not because I just talked to him?

    [19:39] <Arsenal[ODN]> No.

    01[19:39] <Ventus_ex_Gutter> Okay...I was just gonna say, now rediculous.

    01[19:39] <Ventus_ex_Gutter> how*

    01[19:40] <Ventus_ex_Gutter> Anyway, we are on the other side.

    01[19:41] <Ventus_ex_Gutter> And both IRON and GGA made an "oversight" about ODN being at war with an alliance whose member hacked the ODN boards just before the onset of the UJW.

    01[19:41] <Ventus_ex_Gutter> You can forget that how?

    01[19:41] <Ventus_ex_Gutter> If I were you, I'd ask him who their real blood brothers are.

    [19:41] <Arsenal[ODN]> I talked to Finster about GOONS about a month ago.

    [19:42] <Arsenal[ODN]> He knows we were at war with them.

    01[19:42] <Ventus_ex_Gutter> Indeed.

    And this is from earlier...

    Session Start: Tue Apr 21 17:35:52 2009

    Session Ident: Arsenal[FAN]

    01[17:35] <Ventus_ex_Gutter> Arsenal.

    01[17:36] <Ventus_ex_Gutter> Have IRON given their reasoning behind why they have let the new GOONS off the hook>

    01[17:36] <Ventus_ex_Gutter> ?*

    [17:58] <Arsenal[ODN]> No.

    [17:58] <Arsenal[ODN]> They won't speak to us right now.

    So, apparently, not only has IRON had a sudden bout of memory loss, but now they're pissed at us because we're tired of putting up with their BS on top of the reasons cited in the OP. And to add to it, they're not even trying to give us any modicum of explanation.

    When IRON Starts showing that it at all wants to be an ally, then we'll damn sure be willing to reciprocate. At least degenerate108 actually came onto the ODN forum to plead GGA's case, an alliance we all know is so far in shambles it's amazing it's still breathing. IRON does not have that problem, and I know that they can take a couple minutes out of their oh so busy schedule to give us the time of day.

    Make of it what you will...

  7. Hey 3Z, hows it hanging?

    Your question came up in FAN a week or so ago so I have something resembling the answer. I may be missing an alliance or two.

    NPO

    IRON

    GGA

    TPF

    Vallhalla

    TORN

    MHA

    Looks like we may have people on both sides of the conflict, which is a win-win for us.

    Get peace with MHA and then maybe the side that would make the most sense will be all too apparent to you (assuming the predictions will come to pass).

    Personally, I wanna see a good old fashioned FAN update blitz, but hey, you guys'll keep doing your thang, and I can respect that.

  8. As much I wished for GOONS to reform, and as awesome as I see this in its own way, there's just something about this that I really, really don't like.

    I dunno what it is, honestly. It just seems like this GOONS does not carry the character of the GOONS we all loved to hate way back when.

    Still, I'll give it a chance. Polaris will be good protectors, absolutely. I don't see Pacifica surviving very long though. Perhaps that is why you are the protectorate of both?

    Ah, well. We'll see.

    Edit: Awesome flag! :blink:

  9. That, folks, is frighteningly powerful stupid. That is the kind of stupid that mothers use to scare their children into good behavior at night.

    That there is savagely stupid. It's instantly-historical stupid. That is weapons-grade stupid there.

    No, scratch that - that's wieldable stupid beyond the realm of mere man. That there is the kind of stupid that you only read about in a fantasy novel with the cheap almost-softcore cover paintings, where the dwarves dig far too deep, hit a vein of pure stupid, and forge an epic weapon for a mythical hero from it. This is "Legendary Blessed Weapon of the Pantheon of Spirit-Gods Who Walk Across Time"-class stupid.

    I srsly lol'd. :lol:

    And I supremely turned on by that image. :blink:

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