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Michael von Prussia

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    Merry Christmas UNSC!

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    To me, even though I don't think that SPA or any other WMC member did anything wrong, I think that even if what they did was spying (which I don't), it would be justiable by the fact that they were counter-spying in order to get proof that they were wronged. If you consider counterspying wrong, you might as well say that them declaring war on the people who spied on them (UNSC) is wrong, because its wronging UNSC as an alliance. No one would say that the war in general is wrong, so I don't know why anyone would consider them spying on UNSC in retaliation wrong.

    All this is irrelevant, though, because they didn't spy on UNSC.

    Merry Christmas UNSC!

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    OOC: ahh but you missed one thing. CN regards each alliance as an individual "country". So by what you are saying it's like if My wife snitched on me to the Chinese and allowed them into my American home.

    OOC: I think you'll find that CyberNations regards each nation as an individual country. An alliance is called an alliance for a reason.

    Merry Christmas UNSC!

    in Alliance Politics

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    If it wasn't mentioned, then it's not a part of the war justification we're seeing, and there's no point mentioning it. If there is more to the CB, then they should amend it. That will look bad, but better late than never.

    Regardless, the fact that they tailored a CB like this goes to show they wanted a war. Not to present the honest and full truth, but to present a facade and gain tech.

    They did present the truth: UNSC spied. How they got it was not part of the CB, nor should it have been. Once again, if a major alliance did this, and then it was uncovered that they got the info in the way WMC did, not only would it be a non-issue, but regardless of that, even if they did get people mad at them, no one would say they were obligated to put how they got the info in the DoW.

    Merry Christmas UNSC!

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    The first UNSC grievence was not mentioned for various reasons that I can assume. Starting with the fact that it was sorted out. Not to everyone's liking (i mean, come on, NV dropped them over this), and probably the fact that it wasn't significant enough to put up in this. While I will agree with that the denial of spying as a CB would make the case more secure, precedent has already been set for government members running a spy ring against an alliance (NPO v. ONOS)

    Using what NPO does probably isn't the best way to relate to a microalliance :P

    Merry Christmas UNSC!

    in Alliance Politics

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    Still they got something out of it.

    So I could ask a NATO gov member to let me use his account to snoop around a little and you think the NATO gov members who weren't aware of our little subterfuge shouldn't be pissed at us? C'mon man use a little logic and reason.

    Was what UNSC doing wrong? Absolutely. Disgusting in my book and it seems there was really no need for it. However, there are easier and more morally justifiable ways to go about getting the information needed for a better CB rather than go in on a gov member account and resort to the same actions you are condemning.

    The difference between your second paragraph and the WMC's actions is that they were offered access - they did not ask for it.

    Merry Christmas UNSC!

    in Alliance Politics

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    Depends on what UNSC did with the info. These situations are delicate. Had UNSC in your scenario went to Jama and said hey this guy is trying to give us info on you then Jama could kill the traitor etc. Now, if UNSC harbored the individual and tried to use the info to their advantage then yes they should be held accountable.

    Right, but the only advantage the WMC got out of this is that they got proof that they had been spied on. Therefore, I think it more than legal to use the information.

    Merry Christmas UNSC!

    in Alliance Politics

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    You could've refused the info. Accepting the info and/or passwords and using them you condoned and participated in what the individual was doing. Which was? Say it with me folks...1...2....3...spying.

    So you are saying that if it had been a JAMA government member who'd gone and willingly given information to UNSC, JAMA would be justified in taking action against UNSC? See, this is where we disagree. Such an action should result in action against the govt member (in this case by UNSC, in my example by JAMA), but is not spying in and of itself.

    Merry Christmas UNSC!

    in Alliance Politics

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    Bob's got you there. Even if he had been spying, if they don't come to you, spying on the person spying on you is the best way (and the most common way) to verify that someone is spying on you.

    If this was a major alliance doing this, no one would blink an eye about it.

    Merry Christmas UNSC!

    in Alliance Politics

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    Take it from someone who's used **** CB's generated from shady info gathering practices (that's me!); the attacking parties should offer a ceasefire, both sides should get into an IRC room with a moderator, and y'all should eat your pride and admit you both screwed up.

    Much easier that way.

    Probably a lot less fun, though ;)

    Merry Christmas UNSC!

    in Alliance Politics

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    1. I hope everyone knows the spying info was obtained illegally on the part of the attackers.

    2. I hope everyone thanks NV for announcing the treaty cancellation to UNSC and then the OWF.

    3. I hope everyone thanks the attackers for hitting UNSC AFTER they also used the info that contained stolen guide(s).

    Have a nice day, this war does not seem to have the backing you made it seem like :)

    This all looks legit to me, man. I say spying is bad - thats that.

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