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[quote name='tamerlane' timestamp='1289412534' post='2509458']
RV would have been likely re-approached by Lebubu, who is the only official in MK (aside from Archon) who has the capacity to threaten war, and Epiphanus the following day and cooler heads (as the error that was made would have been realized) would have prevailed. Sorry this is probably not the answer you are looking for but its p-much the way things would have gone.
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How was RV supposed to know that? -
[quote name='tamerlane' timestamp='1289334089' post='2508404']
So all sensitive diplomatic logs are to be published on the OWF? Duly noted.
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You shouldn't be saying anything that would cause embarrassment if they were. -
[quote name='Batallion' timestamp='1289333836' post='2508399']
No, no, I meant he would negotiate, but if MK demanded 15 mill and 250 tech as a final ultimatum, then he should have refused and let MK roll them. That's really the only option other than just agreeing and subsequently paying the reps, but clearly that's not what happened and he even launched a smear campaign. That's really the part that strikes nerves as you can see in Archon's post.
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Here's a thought to Archon then. If you don't want the way your alliance is acting to be public, you might try telling them not to act that way. -
[quote name='Batallion' timestamp='1289333350' post='2508388']
RV agreed to the reps, and then plastered it all over the OWF. If he was angry with it he shouldn't have accepted it, let MK attack, and THEN plastered it on the OWF to show how ridiculous MK was being. This was completely the most incompetent thing I've ever seen, so you reap what you sow (directed to RV).
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That would actually possibly be the stupidest thing he could have done. The whole idea was to [i]avoid[/i] being rolled, hence the agreement to pay the reps. MK doesn't have to attack for everyone to see how low MK has stooped. -
[quote name='Batallion' timestamp='1289332632' post='2508368']
I personally HATE IT when people plaster private things onto the OWF. For this, I hope RV pays for his actions.
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Why should this conversation have been private? -
[quote name='Aurion' timestamp='1289331014' post='2508346']
You use that word, but I don't think you know what it actually means.
It read to me like while Archon acknowledges that the demand was too high (it was), he doesn't feel the need to have it lowered when the other party decides to act in bad faith.
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Act in bad faith? MK coerces NSO into paying a ridiculous sum yet NSO is somehow at fault because they shared what was going on with the rest of Planet Bob?
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Frankly, MK $%&@ed up. But they aren't really under any obligation to be the bigger man when the other party decides to drag it into the mud.
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All RV did was make the conversation public. MK's the one dragging their own name through the mud. -
[quote name='Mr Damsky' timestamp='1289320579' post='2508140']
In the event that they would have been attacked I don't think that MK would have been left out to try.
However, I don't think anyone would help MK in an aggressive war with the Sith two weeks ago.
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I don't think that's true at all. Alliances like being tied to the biggest kid on the playground, I'm sure they'd be more than willing to attack an alliance they already don't like to keep on MK's good side.
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Honestly they have a long way to being anything like NPO.
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What is this mentality that an alliance must have identically copied every action that NPO has taken before someone can bring up their similarity? No one has said MK is worse than NPO ever was, people are saying this incident is reminiscent of the kind of thing NPO would have done, and those people are 100% right. -
[quote name='Voytek' timestamp='1289323015' post='2508179']
typically polar response "they so dumb any kind of posting not on my own terms is dum dum deflection"
I don't "not like" the fact that RV is blatantly trying to engage a PR war (in fact I like that he at least has the stones to try) - I think it's depressing that so many people fall for it hook line and sinker because they're so desperate for anything to latch onto and post empty threats about ~our impending comeuppance~
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When RV posted the complete logs you can't really argue it was some sort of spin by RV that made everyone disgusted by you. -
Archon repeating what was said in the other thread doesn't make MK's extortion any more acceptable. Not to totally NPO-Godwin this thread, but this is the "they agreed to it" logic is the same thing that they used to force alliances to disband.
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Edit: Nevermind.
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[quote name='Lord Strider' timestamp='1289262989' post='2506807']
NSO trying to cut a member and letting them get rolled is not reasonable. Making NSO man up to its members is about the only good response you can give.
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What are you talking about? That's entirely reasonable and happens regularly. That's what you do when a member does something stupid and they aren't worth protecting. The fact that you are even trying to deny that this is fairly commonplace is mind-blowing. -
[quote name='Banksy' timestamp='1289262533' post='2506791']
Considering the offender required harbour aid, I suspect he wasn't in the position to pay us back.
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Then you attack him or work out a deal with him. That's how it has always worked before, stop trying to fool yourself into thinking this was in any way a reasonable response from MK. -
[quote name='Voytek' timestamp='1289236599' post='2506215']
from moralists
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This is ridiculous MK. Get over yourselves. Christ I'm glad we aren't tied to you anymore.
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STA no longer has a treaty with NSO
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I thought the poll was going to be "Which alliance that has yet to be created will be the most successful?" I'm disappointed I was wrong, would have been an interesting poll.
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[quote name='caligula' timestamp='1283227901' post='2436584']
666. Sign of the devil.
Despite the decrease in players in the game we continue to succeed.
Congrats everyone.
Good show Pacifica, I am surprised we have managed to stave you off so far but am impressed by your gains nonetheless.
Also, congrats Argent on taking the Survivor series, and NATO for posting the most postive growth during the duration.
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It just seems like you're taunting them when you post that on a day that they lose score... -
This isn't an official update or anything, just showing the growth of all the alliances involved throughout August.
[b]Survivor 7[/b]
August 1 - August 30, 2010
[b][color=gray]• •[/color][/b] [color=aqua]Argent[/color] : 10.69 --> 11.71 [color=green](+1.02)[/color]
[b][color=gray]•[/color] [color=red]•[/color][/b] [color=maroon]The Templar Knights[/color] : 11.60 --> 11.94 [color=green](+0.34)[/color]
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[b][color=red]• •[/color][/b] 3. [color=purple]iFOK[/color] : 13.25 --> 14.64 [color=green](+1.39)[/color]
[b][color=red]• •[/color][/b] 4. [color=purple]Valhalla[/color] 11.95 --> 12.87 [color=green](+0.92)[/color]
[b][color=red]• •[/color][/b] 5. [color=blue]NATO[/color] 12.24 --> 15.15 [color=green](+2.91)[/color]
[b][color=red]• •[/color][/b] 6. [color=black]Asgaard[/color] 11.38 --> 11.99 [color=green](+0.61)[/color]
[b][color=red]• •[/color][/b] 7. [color=green]World Federation[/color] 10.88 --> 11.66 [color=green](+0.78)[/color]
[b][color=red]• •[/color][/b] 8. [color=blue]North Atlantic Defense Coalition[/color] 11.56 --> 12.20 [color=green](+0.64)[/color]
[b][color=red]• •[/color][/b] 9. [color=blue]Imperial Assault Alliance[/color] 11.38 --> 11.33 [color=red](-0.05)[/color]
[b][color=red]• •[/color][/b] 10. [color=green]Phoenix Rising[/color] 10.91 --> 10.84 [color=red](-0.07)[/color]
[b][color=red]• •[/color][/b] 11. [color=orange]The International[/color] 11.88 --> 12.01 [color=green](+0.13)[/color]
[b][color=red]• •[/color][/b] 12. [color=gray]The Phoenix Federation[/color] 12.34 --> 12.53 [color=green](+0.19)[/color]
[b][color=red]• •[/color][/b] 13. [color=maroon]Global Order of Darkness[/color] 12.50 --> 11.83 [color=red](-0.67)[/color]
[b][color=red]• •[/color][/b] 14. [color=black]LoSS[/color] 13.40 --> 13.45 [color=green](+0.05)[/color]
[b][color=red]• •[/color][/b] 15. [color=brown]New Sith Order[/color] 12.22 --> 7.11 [color=red](-5.11)[/color]
[b][color=red]• •[/color][/b] 16. [color=aqua]Guru Order[/color] 13.46 --> 13.20 [color=red](-0.26)[/color]
Biggest Gainer
[b][color=red]• •[/color][/b] 5. [color=blue]NATO[/color] 12.24 --> 15.15 [color=green](+2.91)[/color]
Biggest Loser
[b][color=red]• •[/color][/b] 15. [color=brown]New Sith Order[/color] 12.22 --> 7.11 [color=red](-5.11)[/color] -
Null vote, silly poll.
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[quote name='Uranus' timestamp='1282634979' post='2429208']
NSO out of this stupid war? Good news even though it took longer then it should have.
Forced admittance of obvious silly lies? Meh whatever, we know the truth.
Alliances of the larger side fitting the negative stereotypes about them? Expected.
NSO get your lists to us so the spice may flow.
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Wow, this post actually echoes what I was going to say [i]exactly.[/i] So, uh, this. -
See ya Chim, take care.
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In curbstomps the curbstompee will always dish out more damage than they take. That's the nature of turtling and nukes.
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I regret not joining Vox after the NoCB War. I had volunteered spying services to Doitzel, but I ended up joining the STA instead. Not that I regret joining the STA, it's awesome, I just would have enjoyed spying for Vox, I think.
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1. Nope
2. I'm trying to remember if I ever fought MK while I was in NPO. Maybe.
3. Yes. NPO to STA after the noCB War
A Statement from the Mushroom Kingdom
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[quote name='Locke' timestamp='1289432687' post='2509751']
I dunno, I just kind of assumed that a MoFA couldn't unilaterally declare war, making any threat empty.
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Uh...what? Are you serious? Because a MoFA can't declare war, interactions with him have no bearing on whether a war happens? I'm going to hope your post was some kind of joke I didn't get.