Nukular Winter
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The voice of reason, as always Grand Master Z
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I'm sorry but I have never heard of GOD, these DLP folk were much kinder and polite.
Edit: Sorry for double post.
You've never heard of an alliance whom you signed a treaty with? That is...unheard of.
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actually he was a founding member of VE...and i believe was even lord for a time.
Youd do well to show him some respect.
I give respect where it is shown to me, and I was shown none.
I see that we have reached a stage in our relationship where a simple question can't be asked anymore.
That is very sad.
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I think you must be confused, I don't recognize any nations which I offered up the well being of mine for.
Then you obviously weren't in the VE, because looking at your nation I can't say it looks like anyone that I went to war for in GW3.
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I was trying to say it without saying it
You see, Nukular Winter is one of those members that we protected. He seems to forget his own past.
...I'm sorry for disagreeing? This is not how that situation went and you know that.
I'm sure you'll notice the GOD/VE MDP though, it's quite obvious that we have forgotten nothing.
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That's right, you know I once did the same thing for an alliance called DLP a long time ago. They were very happy and thanked us many times, I don't know what happened to that alliance after we went away though. It seems they disbanded because I can't seem to find a single one of their members in CN anymore.
No actually that was solved diplomatically.
Look up GOD and I'm sure you'll see all those wonderful members.
I'm Darius, you may remember me.
I'm not sure who you are though because it appears you've got a new name :v
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Let me remind you guys that Cartle set out to essentially tech raid and destroy IR nations. The normal asking reps for tech raiding is anywhere from 1.5X - 2.0X the amount of damages done so these are in no way unreasonable.
Also: If you haven't notice Rebel Virginia is joking.
So you attacked an alliance for attacking an alliance that you had no treaties with because what they were doing was un-moralistic and wrong?...
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Oh, and a 64Digits announcement: Aside from surrendering to Brigade, our terms include: Cartel is not allowed to enter any agressive alliance wars for 3 months after acceptance of terms without permission by us or another party who fought against them in this war (See: Brigade, TPF, Gramlins, LoSS, and others). Ther also are not allowed to tech raid any member, inactive or not, of an alliance containing 10 or more members, for the duration of the existance of the Cartel.
I believe these are fair additions to the terms, if any other alliances fighting Cartel have any issues with them, please let me know
Any surrender terms that last for an alliances existence can't be considered fair.
Why was this war declared again? Because The Cartel attacked an alliance without a good reason?
Edit: Their top nation has 3200 infra...I don't think these reps will be coming at a very quick pace.
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The problem with targeting non-aligned is, you never know who the next victim's friends may be or how many. There are at least three separate non-aligned confederations that I know of. There are also some alliance that have policies that allow attacks against tech raiders. Insofar as victimizing small alliances is concerned, you never know what extended ties they may have either.
But by all means, continue to risk infra in exchange for stolen tech. If the victim fights back or gets friends to help against your unprovoked attack and you go crying to your allies for help, you are a coward -- and your alliance is a band of thugs by definition.
You are what you do and the Law of Cause and Effect is inescapable.
Events over the past few months have shown what happens to such alliances. My faith in ultimate justice is stronger than ever.
I remember utterly destroying an unaligned coalition before, just because you have 'none' as your AA you can't play the victim when you attack an entire alliance.
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Maybe CN should just grow up and get over petty little attacks. No ones feelings can be this fragile, calling the people doing the name calling immature when you scream about it on the forums is quit hypocritical. It takes a bigger man to just walk away.
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This is a brilliant political move.
Sorry, we were lacking in that for awhile
Sup Vengashii?
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take 30 seconds to Google "aids" and you will quickly realize that he is not as much uninformed as he is ignorant.
That's not what I meant actually
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http://forums.cybernations.net/index.php?s...st&p=117220
Nice call Magnum.
Seems more like they acted in the MOST neutral way possible.
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OOC: wow, you are creeping ever so slightly up my dumb*** list dude.
Perhaps he's just uninformed?
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OOC: When you get a life threatening disease you tell me it's not important
Way to blow what I said completely out of context, probably because you had no real answer.
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It is a huge deal, what do you expect.
And no I can't say what it is, it's not for me to say.
No, people like you make it a huge deal.
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Guys, while I in no way support this "ultimatum" to GPA you have to realize that these OOC attacks are extremely serious.
...Maybe if people would just ignore it instead of making a huge deal about every little comment people wouldn't have the incentive to continue doing stuff like this?
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Why should the GPA ban someone for going OOC in an OOC channel?
Because it hurts their OOC feelings :/
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Oh my freaking
People are taking this whole: "OOC COMMENTS R BAD" thing too far.
Your skins can not be this thin.
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Even though I like your opinion of whats done is done kinda deal, I must argue something.
We didnt spend 10 pages justify because we wanted to. We opened a Press Conference for people to ask any questions they wanted and a majority of questions were about that subject so we answered that subject.
I wasn't saying what's done is done we should all forget it...
And you can't honestly expect me to believe you expected any other questions.
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The problem Maroon always had with 'unifying' was that we lacked one major power on the color. There still isn't one and it still makes it hard to do something like this. It's 3 maroon alliance uniting, but I can't call it 'Maroon Unity' as you didn't even approach a lot of the larger alliances on Maroon. This is something I have wanted to see for a long time so it's kind of nice to see someone at least trying but it would have been nice if it was proposed at first to larger group of alliances rather then the initial 3 'expanding' as there will always be that level of separation between the founding members and the newer members.
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Tech raiding as a tactic was seriously frowned upon until about this time last year. Even after then, some of us continued to speak out against it. While I do not believe that there needs to be a 'world police' defending individual nations against tech raiding, I do believe that the practice in and of itself is a type of privateerism. In effect, membership in an alliance that allows tech raiding is a letter of marque. With it being an officially sanctioned activity, opposing it becomes an act of war. To this point none of us have considered a single nation or a small alliance worth fighting a big war over. My mandate is to protect the interests of the Order, nothing more. Our interests and the plight of the unaligned have not intersected, no matter how much I sympathize.
This is really what it comes down to, some large alliances oppose tech raiding but why would they defend nations that have no loyalty to them? People who propose a 'World Police' need to step back and think why people who don't care about them and couldn't care less if you or your entire alliance gets destroyed deserve your protection, and even if you think they do is it worth it to put your alliance in the line of fire over it.
I personally would not want to be a member of an alliance that asks me to put my nation on the line for a unaligned nation as it would be obvious that the leader cares more about their ideals then their members and are blatantly abusing their power to uphold those ideals.
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Honestly I don't know why you've spent 10 pages trying to justify your DoW. You declared for the reasons stated in the DoW which was Gen[m]ay didn't give you money. You can't DoW and then wait until the war is over and say "Oh we actually had lots of legitimate reasons but just didn't post them"
That makes zero sense and everyone can see what you're trying to do and let me tell you, it's not helping.
It doesn't matter why you declared anymore because you received an NPO protectorate after all was said in done.
It was a bandwagon declaration with one of the worst Declarations of War I have ever seen and no amount of spinning weeks after the fact can make it better.
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