grahamkeatley
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My best wishes go out to TPF, and I hope it is the satisfying excursion you seek.
As for the talk of "perma war" - if you enter a war, declare war with the expectation that it does not go on forever you have made a mistake. Going in with the assumption that you will eventually Peace Out is just folly. So until the war ends it should be considered full-on war forever and can't see how it is even a discussion.
GK
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Happy to do what we can!
Pleasure to fight alongside the Tigers again.
GK
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You decided to take a path that NPO was not a fan of, thus I don't see why one could be upset or not surprised NPO decided to cancel it. It's purely TPF's fault if they have felt this much betrayal from NPO to have kept the treaty as long as they did, and actually took NPO to sever the tie for them.
This is a well thought out post, and I do not disagree there there is another side also full of reasoned decisions.
But NPO never gave us a chance to speak to their treaty with Umbrella before they signed - if I recall correctly - NPO were already the spear tip in a Doomsphere Offensive war before TPF Gov were even commenting on the treaty announcement. I believe TPF would have split from NPO over the Umbrella treaty if the same respect was shown as TPF showed NPO by discussing MI6 treaty in advance. So I do not denounce the fact NPO cancelled on TPF for ignoring their ultimatum on MI6. I don't think anyone says they have no right, but for me, the complete lack of understanding on how there could even be hurt feelings in the manner NPO have done this... that wrankles.
Yes, we were obviously going to be a target as a part of a MI6 pile on. NPO were clearly going to get their pound of flesh from MI6, but to pre-empt and take the lead against TPF when the fight was coming anyway? Gain a day of fighting against an alliance the leaders of NPO now use terms like "on the slide", "inactivity"... why even bother? And then to act as if its just scratching a boredom itch? It is just acting in a real arrogant, disrespectful manner. And in that I expected more. Not because we used to be friends, allies, not just because my whole entire CN life has been burning as a member of and then allied to NPO - but because it is just common decency to admit you are being a dick, when you do dick things.
GK
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The world has changed and we have failed to evolve with it. Gone are the days of diplomacy and reason. Now we live in the ultimate expression of a state of nature. A time when unprovoked attacks are praised and old friendships forgotten. We are not innocent in how this world has progressed... Sooner or later, the day comes when you can't hide from the things that you've done anymore.
We spent years fighting for our friends and we paid dearly, but we paid it gladly. Now we fight to defend ourselves from an unprovoked attack from those former friends. Relationships can dim, but we always have a choice in how we treat those that were once dear to us. A formal explanation for years of dedication might have been a good start, instead we were told our adversaries were bored.
We all stand on the twilight of this world, ruthless unprovoked aggression will only hasten the inevitable outcome. However we are not yet ready to go into that good night. Once more into the fray. Into the last good fight we'll ever know.
To the every lasting glory of The Phoenix Federation.
You have said all that needs to be said. Treachery may win power briefly but it will never win respect.
Fight well, good friends!
To good friends. o/
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With Fort Wayne tipped to push for playoff places in week 2, Irlanda Celts pulled off a stunning coup by surviving and finally picking their shots in the shoot out to record their second in a row. Celt fans are really getting behind the underdog status with gusto, but how much longer can they be considered such if this form continues.
GK
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Which is the whole point. It's systematic chaos. The current order uses their power to promote stability, whereas Doom promotes chaos by keeping CN in a constant state of war.
What? You are not making sense. They have a Chaos theme, and command a power in the upper tier which allows them to do whatever they want in the Top 1% of the game. They have not changed the direction of the game, they are not promoting chaos throughout the game and they have not changed how wars function.
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I think that CN is moving in a positive direction. We are getting past the post-Karma order and ideology of "stability" and moving towards chaos. I think that chaos is good for CN because the current order makes the game stagnant, but the order that Doomsphere (if they win) promotes chaos and disorder, which is why I believe that I am fighting on the right side, unlike previous wars where it was always wishy-washy.
Why do you think there is more activity in CN during times of war? Simple: the more conflict there is in CN, the more people want to play. The terrible system of one-two wars a year sucks, and I believe that CN should be in a constant state of strife and conflict. There should be hegemonies, yes, but hegemonies should work towards keeping CN as chaotic as possible, much like pre-Karma NPO did.
Doomsphere promotes a theme of Chaos. They do not actually follow Chaos as a direction. They have equal or more treaties than other spheres, they fight in order with chaining treaties in the same way as before, they target specific alliances and play plitics in a processed way.
So I think the whole premise of this discussion is misplaced.
GK
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Umbrella isn't our only ally. Just because we were one of the earlier alliances in, and that Umbrella is our only ally who preceded our entry, does not mean that Umbrella is our only ally who picked this war. Big wars like this take a lot of commitment from a lot of alliances.
That may work out that way, and I am one of your allies who has not picked a side in this fight. I am merely pointing out that how NPO is acting is not up front and genuine. Yes, some of the individuals are saying this is war, this is just war, this is this and that. But the official line is and your personal sentiment is "allies have picked sides", but it is NPO that had picked their side even if no other allies had because Umbrella were courted or vice verse. I don't believe NPO are puppets or any such rhetoric being spouted, but you certainly are not acting to support your allies (except one right now), while saying you are.
GK
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That's alot of work for people handling multiple nations. It would take a degree of caring which would be surprising from those claiming our world (ooc: game) is dead.
It is not a lot of work at all. It means every time NpO wish to flex this muscle you will be enacting the right of a whole coalition escalation over and over. I just don't see how it is sustainable for you or for your allies if you come out losing this war.
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I can assure you that targets will be hit. We have hundreds of Polars champing the bit to get some action - it's hard sitting back when the others are having all the fun.
But your original point (which I was responding to), seemed to suggest that our actions would cause other nations to send tech to DBDC - those who wouldn't necessarily have been inclined to before - which I think is a bit of a stretch in terms of the situation you describe. Apologies if I misinterpreted your post...
Polar have put themselves on the path of self-enforced lower tier fighting. DBDC fund smaller nations, who are willing to fight and send Tech to DBDC while doing so. Costs them nothing all the while that Nation's alliance mate down declare on NpO fighters. Pummel, pummel, pummel. I don't see how this works out for Polar unless you come out of this war as victor.
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We've been trying to cover stuff up?
I think I've said repeatedly I just enjoy blowing stuff up and the powers that be decided SNX would happen to be it aka, stuff. :P
The babble in the OP...
"And our allies have picked a side, so we will lend our support to it with the full weight of our military arsenal."
This ally is an ally signed with after the "charge against the Polarsphere" had already begun. Blah. Anyway, like I said transparent and not exactly a good cover up story. NPO picked their side, were involved from the outset in setting the sides and then when they finally attack say "Oops, allies asked us... sorry, nothing personal."
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You are a fool. The last umpteen global wars, thousands and thousands of tech deals on both sides were started and completed... not one was noted.. not one was targeted for action, not one even garnered a single OWF post,. much less an alliance-wide threat. This is Polar wanting some warm and fuzzies, and the Polar meatshields rushing here to give the warm and fuzzies.
To be fair though, Aid as an act of war has always been something people have followed - and more so in isolated smaller engagements. You are right in saying tech deals in large scale engagements have had gentlemanly conduct, but you can hardly claim DBDC have shown any such conduct in other areas. I don't agree that Polar will be able to enforce this throughout but it is not so wild and fanciful as people wish to paint it.
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Even though it isnt entirely accurate, this is probably the best post in the thread for describing people's feelings as to why all of the rhetoric in this thread and others is ridiculous. This war was kicked off because people wanted to fight it. No more, no less. I'd imagine there would be less apathy, and more spirited involvement, had this war started more similarly to the others mentioned above.
Could not agree more. This sentiment needs to be appended to the top of every page of this thread.
NPO wanted to hit SNX to get stuck into the opposing soon-to-be-coalition, saying anything but that is just disingenuous and sad, really. "Just honouring our ally", bull. This was an ally you signed with within 48 hours of attacking, during a lull in escalation of a DS attempts to ignite a war, based on one rogue nation attacking.... It is so transparent that it is actually shocking that you spent so long on the OP to try and cover up the "We have been involved in organising this war with the Doomsphere for some time now and well, here it is.".
Just play it straight and honest.
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It might not be obvious but we did want to all out fight SNX.
Understood. And again, crux of my point. So why the Invicta pretense? Why the ballooned CB over what amounts to a rogue nation? Why oA? Why not just do what was wanted instead of acting inconsistently and in a manner which previously would have angered some now standing around defending their actions?
You have a plan, you have a list of alliances paired up - why not just hit and be done with it. Why the charade of chaining with an attempt of justifying it?
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Just to point this out before it gets buried, SNX were given a chance to clear it up diplomatically. They didn't. Their guy kept shooting and he was never removed from their alliance affiliation.
Point made, but irrelevant to my post. Umbrella can do as they wish. DS can call the single nation a means to "recognise war" with SNX and call in allies. But Umbrella not declaring war, but just ghosting in NPO is pathetic in my opinion. If NPO wished to "help", which they didn't - they could of pushed for a standard resolution to things. SNX would have paid reps and people would have gone about it. But that is besides the point. NPO doing it this way, behind a ghost declaration to somehow legitimize a justified aggressive attack... That is all I was saying. If NPO wished to escalate things they should have just pulled up balls and attacked who they wanted to attack instead of this rubbish.
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Couldn't be more disappointed by an alliance I like, if I tried. oA to bandwagon in on a target to defend against a single warring nation who won't stand down to alliance orders. On any given Sunday, that would be reps and maybe expulsion for the offending nation. But I guess escalation was the requirement. Personally, this is garbage and setting low standards.
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If we are correcting grammar - should it not be 3200th day of existence?
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Something has gone wrong with your "Longest Streak without a Loss". An alliance only added a few days ago, is 45 days without loss.
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Of course, it is your prerogative to form opinions on IRON based on the many resources available to you (i welcome you to discuss your issues with IRON on our boards). Though I find it disheartening that you would allow IRON's actions this war to tarnish the memory of the historical relationship between two close friends simply because a number of TOOLies call IRON home now.
The memory is not negatively impacted because TOOL members are now in IRON, I merely would have expected more from IRON with TOOL members within their ranks. Not to diminish. But to be honest, I gave IRON a pass when they ignored TOOL in the last war that TOOL fought. I felt it was a once off, historically IRON now have pattern of ignoring MD allies because of circumstance rather than committing to the letter of a treaty. So that is fine, I did not comment when NG were ignored militarily.
What is pathetic is to then join wars Optionally through Aggressive clauses. So the memory is simply historical, it has no bearing on present day opinion, which is now low.
GK
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GK, did you ever think you'd type those words? I remember a time when IRON was one of TOOL's besties.
Honorably put.Never. I tried to write a proper reply to the thread, but that was all I could muster. The fact that many TOOL members now reside in IRON - it flies in the face of everything we did back then. IRON were one of the few alliances that I still held to a pretty high level. Maybe that was naive, but it seems they couldn't handle the criticism from NG and other peers to get involved so they found some nasty ways to enter this war. Considering they then keep up the facade that Fark requested help, even though they begged Fark to chain them in just puts the final nail.
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IRON, this is just pathetic.
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Added in correctly this time <_<
Eh, don't look at me like that. I am not complaining - I comment because I read and love the thread and wish for my continued reading to.. well.. continue. Great job.
I enjoy that the Wars Declared are exactly the same, and only 1mil NS in damage the difference.
GK
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These lists don't seem to like TPF being on them. =P
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Stop complaining at the sick guy! :P
He made a neat little RI5 tool for it so I may be able to help him out. These may be slightly more accurate. Let me know if anything is missing.
As of last night before update:This doesn't look right either. Did you put a date cut-off point? This has 135 wars between TPF and TOP. That just isn't happening this war.
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A Valentine from TPF
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Is that you saying past alliance behaviour lives with the current alliance forever? No redeeming? Interesting... seeing what flag you fly. Interesting.
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