Darvel
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I'm sorry, I should proof-read.e- ^^^^ Not replying to you. See? But I think this'll finally do it.Nope.
But people rarely put "ever" and "recently" together like that.
You shouldn't start a sentence with "but".
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"see ur the real loser lollll" - Dilber 2009OOC: To be fair, I was planning on completely leaving the game soon anyway. I haven't actively played for more then a week or two at a time since the end of last summer. Also, when I finish my thesis this week, I might send you a copy to read
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Have you ever read your allies' treatises on Francoism recentlyI am going to end on this quote.Really?
REALLY?
I mean come on.. REAALLLLY?
"Big Kids" playground? I never knew Planet Bob thought so highly of itself. I always just entered the public discourse when I wanted to act like a little kid.
Come on... you can't be serious.
Really?
Name one just one alliance who has fought so many wars that are statistically near-impossible to lose, as much.Ok, I'll end on THIS one, because the sillyness doesn't stop.Name 1 alliance, who has the sort of war record NPO has got.
Just 1
Really, just 1 who has fought as much and won as much.
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"we will curbstomp you because we have more resources than you" ~NPO and neocon doctrine 2000-2009I will not bore you with facts, or anything else so trivial.I wont bore you with anything as trivial as details or facts, but I hate NPO and their history of success. And I won't press my own opinions on you, I promise this is simply accurate reporting.
"Karma" aka the Planet Bob Neocons
pffft. NPObama doesn't lose.
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Whether or not this is worthy of this reaction (and I think it is), the NPO have ushered in a paradigm which allows a great deal of discretion for the more powerful and manipulative side. This time, it seems they've been out-played. To claim it's unfair is ridiculous, to claim there's a conspiracy just because some people (myself included) will relish it is missing the point. Three years of bullying and control were bound to lead to this, and objections on the grounds that it was being "planned all along", or because the bandwagon is for once against you are somewhere between disingenuous and crybabyish.
Enjoy your jackboot, my darlings.
I wonder, sir, if you know much of the philosophy of science? An essential tenet of which is that no two people can have different facts considered equal solely because they both hold their belief in these facts equally strongly. Don't bother trying to argue that your theories are equal to theories backed up by actual empirical, uncontested fact.Perhaps, but this is hardly a logical debate now is it?We have our facts, as we understand them, and you have your facts, as you would like them to be. You refuse to debate until we acknowledge your facts, and you refuse until we acknowledge yours.
To use an old nugget of Pacifican wisdom: We should only consider the alliance that was stupid enough to get itself into this position. Anything else is invalid.You have some valid points but you still haven't said what MK or you would do if you were in our situation in the exact same scenario.
And there you ignore what he says entirely. I think we all know the meanings of the words and phrases without the aid of the example your politics teacher gave you last week. The point being made is that they have been adapted into this language to mean something more specific than the actual literal meanings of the words, therefore your original accusation was invalid and dodging the actual accusation you were charged with defending.Learn Latin.De-facto means "in Fact" and de-jure "in Law". For instance Somalia is legally a single entity but in actual fact is a mess of factions, so it is a "de-Jure" country but not "de-facto".
The fact that people who don't know what the phrases mean have assigned various additional meanings is not my problem.
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Joker is Baron fo the Vanguard?
What is this I don't even
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16 in ScotlandWOOT!! 2!!JUST 19 YEARS AWAY FROM BEING ABLE TO DRINK IN THE U.S.!!! (legally)
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I'm not sure. I would agree with you on the grounds of common sense. But this is the kind of game where defending yourself against being curbstomped by the only means available to you is immoral and unacceptable. Surely by the same token you shouldn't be allowed to defend yourself at all? It's not what I think, it just seems to me that it would be hypocritical if this was not the case.
What about a GOONS or a FAN?This post is so horribly wrong in so many ways its terrifying. You're so far off I fear you're beyond saving, but have you considered for a moment that perhaps the smaller you are, the MORE important it is to stock nukes, so long as you've got the stones to use them?EDIT: This is the difference between a GATO and a Poison Clan, for example. If you hit Poison Clan, they will nuke you. They have a credible deterrent and alliances will think twice about hitting them. If you hit GATO, they will sit on their nukes and do nothing. GATO does not have a credible deterrent and is a soft target.
I guess they don't count, being a credible threat to the status quo at the time.
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I like how I'm being Seerow'd in my absence, while Rocky and NDV are valued members of MK.Aww Kadin 2.0. How cute, thanks for coming out.Anything to distract from your own base incompetence eh babez
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But this is the pride of Trace, do not tamper with such fire.I did. :lol:Seriously, though, this bickering has gone on long enough. Any MKer with the intent of mentioning a stolen "theme" needs to leave this thread and go read the history of planet Bob. As an ally of Athens, while I feel for you, your reactionary posting is really not helping. Please... just try to let it go. If it's as bad as you say it is, you're probably better off without him. If it's not... it's all in the past now, and look to your future.
This post made with the stolen authority of AirMe, who cannot be here because even a nation ruler has to visit in-laws.
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Which member of MK took out the copyright on the characters of Mario and Peach?What about imitation and copyright infringements? -
If anyone was finding this war hard to handle, I would be surprised. It's a browser game, man.But isn't that what your alliance mates are doing.
Listen, I know its your big thing and all, the grand last dance you have been waiting for and preparing, as stated by diskord, for a long time. For us, just another war with some added bonus of again defeating a bunch of familiar faces
. A lot of you lost a lot of wars, so you want this one to end as possibly better. New defeats are hard to handle, it is only natural. A lot of hot air will be aired, and a lot of attempts to go as grand as possible done. I have seen this couple of times now to know, that it is better for the losing side to dance their dance on the board to feel better about themselves, to not get involved. I can actually understand it, with alliance melting in power, proud inhabitants of it got to have something out of it all. And that is the dance on the board.
It's a peice of cloth. Get over yourselves for God's sake.Its nice that you have completely ignored my other posts.Yes, you were trusted, unfortunately. One of Pacificas mistakes. Then you left (twice?) after a few incidents and defiled the flag. If someone says "While LJ said..." now, I wont believe a word.
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More people use IE than FF, this does not make it better. More of the Internet-savvy use FF, in the same way the more Internet-savvy use IRC. This has always been the case.That's because the Order tries not to troll. I highly doubt you consider the little conversation we had trolling.The Order plans to come out of this war alive. We may be saving our nukes for another GW1 type scenario.
Its not a "to cool" argument. Some members stay on for the entire day, others for only 10 minutes and log back on latter or leave for the rest of the day. Your argument of "IRC=complete activity" is just as flawed as "forums=complete activiety". Ask IRON, an alliance who you have not called inactive (but undoubtedly will) how many members they have on IRC and the forums at the moment at the moment. I doubt the numbers will equal 800.
But I wounder why major Internet sites keep forums for conversation, when IRC is so clearly superior.
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Let me tell you the tale of the Goon Order, who never did get to fight 1v1 with their red brothers...Well I think you have to decide how to interpret the question:1. Alliance Fighting Potential *overall* [which alliance would win in pure 1on1-Conflicts].
2. Structure Fighting Potential *in comparison* [which alliance would win if both had the same NS].
3. Political Fighting Potential *overall* [which alliance could bring in the most firepower to win by diplomacy].
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1. is for sure NPO, no question, no one beats the NPO in a 1on1.
2. is either TOP or Grämlins, absolutely no doubt.
3. that is pure hypothesis because the MDPweb can very easily swing in favor or against anyone, and quickly.
Representative and empirical evidence itt.NPO, no brainer. Hell my MK target didn't even retaliate...Athens should be on there, though. Of the 3 nations that declared on me, 2 of them actually did some damage.
Though all 3 have like 0 troops and are in Anarchy which supports my statement that NPO is the best at war.
Actually our war guides are very different from the NPO ones.too bad though your war manual prolly came from us, or our experiences
Our standard one is based off of GOONS and FAN's, updated with changes in the game obviously. Neither of these were ripped from NPO -- both were written from first principles, had concepts not even in the NPO war guides (well, the ones I saw as a member), and were written in a way which is about as different as two decent papers about the same subject can be.
Guides to nuclear war, spying etc. are written from scratch by various members, obviously one ex-FAN member who has never joined NPO has a lot of influence.
Our final, and perhaps most influential military guide is known as Update Blitz, MK Style. It involves hours of masturbation following update. On this count, you may have a point.
It's not great.War manuals have little or nothing to do with coordinating with each other.I imagine you guys have a decent war manual, but it seems like quite a few haven't really read it. Few people learn how to war by reading manuals.
[Edit] Superfluous quote.
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He did a much better job at trolling for you guys than you're doing.LJ Scott, a trusted name.
How is any of this a good thing? The reasons we are causing more damage are all absed on our tactics.That's where peace mode comes in. Many of your nations are in it and can not be touched by war. You may have also noticed the NPO is not using nearly as many nukes as you, perhaps that has something to do with it.By the same logic, all our nations could sell all of our infra and say "yes but wat u dnt realise is we sold all our infra so dat doesnt count".
Quite. The IRC vs forums debate is irrelevant enoguh that I have no qualms with ignoring it.Sometimes forums provide a platform for a slower more thought out conversation, at they allow for members to post pieces of news from around the Cyberverse without the post being berried by 10 separate conversations.
I'm not sure if this is supposed to be the 2kl4skl argument or chewbacca-defence style reasoning as to why NPO's minute-by-minute activity counts are deceptivelty small. Be assured, however, that MK members have working obligations, relationships and digestive systems as much as you do.I knew you would say something like that. You see there's things called timezones. This there's this thing called sleep. There are other things called jobs or school. Then families, you may have one. Relationships are also common, so is eating, bathing, shopping. You see, people are always coming and going from the IRC channel to do other things, so while you may be like "LOL only 106 member in a day" in reality it's probably more like 400 if not more. -
I believe the man in charge of collating your statistics at the time is now a member of the Kingdom.I believe you are pulling facts out of your $@!. Also, look at the ONOS war.(LJ Scott if you haven't guessed).
You need only ask yourself who has lost more NS: VE, NPO and Echelon, or MK?Its not been successful for you. A victory is out of your sites, and you have not sufficiently damaged the NPO to bring us down from the Superpower spot.
And in MK's case, that's all it is used for. The need for thousands of posts, and constant activity aren't existant.Forums provide a solid base of activity, with major announcements and activities taking place on the forums, it important for an alliances forums to be active, else communications break down due to lack of "solid" ground.
Divide 201 by 45, then divide 949 by 106. This is not rocket science, I should not be explaining this...The NPO channel usually has more members on at a given time than the forums, and 45 members is tiny for our channel. We currently have a low medium sized number of around 106 on.
Lol.Would be better if it had the "dead" alliance.NAAC,GOONS,\m/, Genamy and GOLD?
Some of those?
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If you had bothered to read the post I quoted, your entire reply would be void. The fine gentleman I quoted said that NPO members being too busy was a good thing for their military strength, because it allowed their warchests to "grow to unimaginable heights", or something equally inane.Please tell me how you got it in your head that Pacifica is inactive?Many members just lurk on these boards because we know there is no chance of reasonable conversation with the anti-Order nuts. We average around 60-80 people on our boards at once, low points going to 40-50.
Look at any NPO war, and you will see the largest midnight blitzes and best coordinated military actions in history.
There are currently 45 people on irc. This is not exceptional. That it is more than half what you claim as NPO's average forum activity (and I can only assume from these responses that irc is not your prime form communication) points to quite an obvious conclusion.
As for those enormous military blitzes...not in the last year and a half anyway.
As opposed to those times NPO fought someone more than half their size? Point of fact, MK anarchied more of WAPA in the first day of war (both times) than NPO did GOLD.During GW2 and 3. Afterwards, during wars such as the ONOS, although there was never really a competition, they were defeated incredibly quickly.MK seems to be pulling things out of their asses about this war, it was been successful and what you'd expect from a nuclear war.
I also don't see way people are calling MK a great military force. I can see people calling FAN one, but MK? Please, tell me of MKs great military successes. I believe they participated in two gang wars against We Are Perth Army.
But yeah like you say it was been quite successful so far for us.
Without revealing our entire military plans in detail, we have the throat covered. Do not worry. We can't be seen to be ignoring the rest of the bird, though.Resignations is one avenue of attack, but only to the extent that it actually hits active membership and quality membership(either bankers or fighters). If you don't get those members, what you are primarily doing is pruning the feathers of the bird, rather than going for the throat.However, hitting people who are in DEFCON 5, have 8k infra with no SDI, and lob 40 bombers on runs are obviously not paying much attention to the global situation or to IO's advice. It's a LOT more than what most alliances can do, admittedly, but, to me, it looks more like pruning of the feathers. That can undermine morale and erode political capital (if you think that alliances mostly respect/fear NPO for their NS value), but I don't see it as a great strategy for eroding military value.
This whole my strategy might even backfire and simply result in those NPO nations being hit getting SDIs. Well, that wouldn't matter to you guys in THIS conflict, but in future conflicts, mayhaps.
I'm sure bros could, but it would hardly matter, since IRC is valued above forums.And if you call us inactive, can you convince me by telling me how many posts MK members have made within the last 7 days? -
GKC.
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It's an interesting read, to say the least. However if your claim that NPO will turn on GOONS could not be more false, GOONS has too many allies, and is far too strong, for the NPO. Not that it wouldn't be a hell of a show, but it would leave all alliances involved in rubbleIt's an interesting read, to say the least. However if your claim that NPO will turn on NpO could not be more false, NpO has too many allies, and is far too strong, for the NPO. Not that it wouldn't be a hell of a show, but it would leave all alliances involved in rubble
Fixed, and appropriate dates added.
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These things are taken into consideration. I will not go any further in public.Targeting nations without SDIs may seem like a good idea, but how many of those nations are the "core" that are IRC active, capable fighters, etc etc?der_ko: Dis is NPO, the core active members will smoke their subordinates' warchests and throw VE meatshields at us
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itc being inactive is actually a good thing?It's not about how many little mistakes a few Pacificans might make, it's about the overall functionality of our military that makes us the best. Try steering 900 nations into war... That's alot. Especially since Pacifica has a very small amount of ghosts compared to others (no, it's not good to have ghosts to make us look bigger like some might think. Those 900 nations have all passed our exams to prove they are good). Yes, some people might be inactive for some time but that's usually just RL holding them away for a while while they bumb up their war-chests to unimaginable heights.And NPO have literally infinite warchests
Lord GVChamp: Oh do explain.
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I mean constantly too. I was just surprised, given all the hype.
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Oh wow. That's less than double MK's current activity, and time was we had 80 people in #privatechan out of 160 members.I can tell you though that regularly our board (when its daytime in most US time zones) have around 70+ members on them, and that our main private channel holds regularly around 70 to 90 members. -
Well that made sense. You completely fail to understand how the waves were organised (I'm sure you could query me with regards to this, disclosing our secrets on the OWF is not good for the alliance) and how war works.
I wonder what your point is in this post. I am first wave, and have taken nukes while fighting 3 nations. I arrived home from vacation to this. It happens. You're either in for the good and the bad or you're out. If you're out, you might as well just be out, rather than spreading baseless anti-MK propaganda.
. A lot of you lost a lot of wars, so you want this one to end as possibly better. New defeats are hard to handle, it is only natural. A lot of hot air will be aired, and a lot of attempts to go as grand as possible done. I have seen this couple of times now to know, that it is better for the losing side to dance their dance on the board to feel better about themselves, to not get involved. I can actually understand it, with alliance melting in power, proud inhabitants of it got to have something out of it all. And that is the dance on the board.
Imperial Decree from the New Pacific Order
in Alliance Announcements (IC)
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Never mind the hypocrisy and the poor attempt to spin an unspinnable situation in your favour...
...I would like to posit that the leader of the game's most successful alliance is completely unfit to lead, given he can't communicate with other leaders and diplomats at vital times such as update. Ping timeouts, while a valid excuse, can be used to justify all manner of sins in his absence, as has been shown. And the fact that NPO nations were quickly slipping into peace mode as the negotiators may have waited patiently for Moo's return does nothing to mitigate this situation.