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  1. DoW of Filipino Heroes against Old Guard

    in Alliance Announcements (IC)

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    [quote name='Empress Theodora' date='07 February 2010 - 03:01 PM' timestamp='1265515266' post='2165939']
    Gramlins has NO treaties at all besides MHA. These guys are also not one of the 'dumped' treaties from when Gramlins went paperless they have never had any connection with Gramlins at all outside of an inner color team aqua trade/senator thing.Also I find it amusing that if you go to the Gramlins boards and do a search for some of the FH names they made their very 1st posts about 2 weeks ago jan 24-27 applying for diplomatic masks.So in that short time they are so close of friends that they are sister alliances or is this a classic example of Gramlins new paperless treaty system being not so much a our friends are our friends paper or not as it is more a hey we are paperless so we can bribe whatever sell-swords are currently on the market to be meat-shields for us?That being said I welcome them to battle they may have come in on the skirts of Gramlins but they are delusional if they think they can skate out on them.
    [/quote]

    Aw, so cute. Someone's whining about being declared upon.

    Get some class, grab your weapons, and just fight the damn war. Sitting around crying "ZOMG YOU HAVE NO TREATY" is not going to help you.

  16. Well folks, looks like we got ourselves a good ol' fashion beat down

    in Open World RP

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    [quote name='Penkala' date='02 February 2010 - 12:25 AM' timestamp='1265030724' post='2150322']
    The first talk of 'disbanding' I really saw was NSO threatening to / talking of disband GOD when they initially declared war. So please, spare us. And trying to scare people into helping your side out probably isn't too effective a tactic.
    [/quote]

    I think regardless of who started the talk, it should never progress beyond stupid joking around and war posturing. Because yes, people high on war are going to say stupid things like this, but there's no way I personally would support such draconian terms, and hopefully nor would my allies and alliance.

  19. Härmlin Announcement

    in Alliance Announcements (IC)

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    [quote name='Myzebedeeistaken' date='01 February 2010 - 10:50 PM' timestamp='1265025049' post='2150254']
    Shhh, we're meant to be the paranoid ones ;)

    Anyways, have fun Haermlins and we'll no doubt have some very interesting conversations about life, the universe and everything at some other point.
    [/quote]

    Good luck mate, and you can always join us in #mha for a round of poetry.

  20. Härmlin Announcement

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    [quote name='Stetson' date='01 February 2010 - 08:13 PM' timestamp='1265015589' post='2150182']
    I've given up on this argument, but this really tickled me.

    Some would say that's exactly what Gre did.

    I know, I know, paperless friends and convenient definitions and all that, but it's still funny that someone defending an attack on an alliance based on "feelings" would question the validity of someone else's reason for war.
    [/quote]

    [Insert multiple reasons for joining this war versus unprovoked and opportunistic attack on uninvolved parties] because I, too, tire of repeating myself. Plus if this was TOP's DoW thread and I had made the complaints first, you might have a point, but I am still just responding to other's comments. I'm not whinging about having to do so, but this is the second time now that I've had to explain that I'm merely replying to complaints made by others. As if I somehow have to justify why I'm defending our position when others have criticized it.

  23. Härmlin Announcement

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    [quote name='Bob Janova' date='01 February 2010 - 05:32 AM' timestamp='1264962721' post='2147948']
    While I can get on board about this attitude, my bolded alteration is all that's needed for it to apply to TOP/IRON as well – pre-empting C&G's entry on the raider side was just a strategic way of helping the Polar coalition win. And yeah, WCR is trying to claim that you guys were 'dragged in' (i.e. obliged to enter).
    [/quote]
    Trying? Come on Bob, I think I've been doing a pretty good job. Anyway, there's obviously been a confusion of conversations here.

    My comment regarding getting dragged in was in response to a TOP criticism of our actions, and I was making the point that it was because of TOP and IRON's actions that brought us here. Regardless of the reason why, it was from their aggressive attack that we entered. Had they not attacked, I believe we would have stayed out, so I found it highly hypocritical for a TOP member to criticize us in that regard.

    And yes, I do argue that we were obligated to defend but I'm not at all saying that's the only reason why we're here. On the contrary, Ive mentioned several other reasons why - most notably a desire to help our Aqua allies. But that hasn't been the topic of conversation, it's been about treaties and e-lawyering. So allow me to make it clear that apart from those reasons, I believe we joined this war because we wanted to help out CnG. And I have no problem defending that position either, just so that we're clear that the two reasons are not mutually exclusive from each other.

  25. Härmlin Announcement

    in Alliance Announcements (IC)

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    [quote name='avernite' date='31 January 2010 - 11:04 PM' timestamp='1264939444' post='2147373']
    If you can use nonexistent treaty text to justify things, I can too.

    Either don't use the treaty text at all, or keep the treaty.
    [/quote]

    Oddly, that's not the argument being made. The argument is that the relationship level between Gre and MK remains the same regardless of the treaty, which was the point of going paperless to begin with. It just so happens that at the level that MK and Gre were on, they considered an attack on one to be an attack on the other. That has not changed, hence Gre and Härmlins has defended MK.

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